The Prevailing "Church System"

[Blademan]

Warning---

If a church/body/fellowship does not allow the owner/builder do

His job He will move on to find a more responsive group of

people.

If by this you are referring to money, then perhpas this will add some perspective:

"...the kingdom of God which originates in heavenly places cannot be dependant upon earthly currency in order to function successfully, because it is a spiritual kingdom. The heavenly Jerusalem descends out of heaven from God. It does not arise from the earth towards God, using bricks and mortar and money."

Many men out there are seeking finances to bolster their ministry.

The building can have Jesus' name on it, but that doesn't mean that that the organization has His stamp of approval upon its visage.

It's also a truth that just because some dude got the job as the pastor, that he's an elder of biblical stature and caliber.

 

[laterunner]

Warning---

If a church/body/fellowship does not allow the owner/builder do ><> ><> God is the one & only who Builds His church world wide.
His job He will move on to find a more responsive group of

people.

><> ><> If the local body/fellowship/church dosn't allow Him to be in the centre of ALL activities, actions, functions, prayer, praise & our involvement on a personal level guiding our thoughts, He will go to anothe body/group/church where He will be honoured.

 

[Coconut]

"...the kingdom of God which originates in heavenly places cannot be dependant upon earthly currency in order to function successfully, because it is a spiritual kingdom. The heavenly Jerusalem descends out of heaven from God. It does not arise from the earth towards God, using bricks and mortar and money."

Many men out there are seeking finances to bolster their ministry

Amen amen amen amen amen!!!!!

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after (and only after) that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses...

There are far too many ministers (we are all ministers) striving to be a "witness" using money and popularity and programs...not understanding these are vain and useless currency in the kingdom of God! These will certainly build beautiful houses of prayer (so called), and cause a fellowship to be a great influence and increase in numbers ...but they will not buy THE power or influence men and women to turn God, not one twit! (they have turned only to our idols, and learned to worship them as we do)

EM Bounds has rightly said, 'men will do anything in the name of God...but pray'

Luk 24:49 I will send you the one my Father has promised, but you must stay ... until you are given power from heaven.

The prevailing church has always been, and still is, the travailing church.

"As soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."—Isaiah 66:8.

Travailing for Souls

 

[MavMin]

The current system may have its flaws but things are to be done decently and in order which indicates a system of sorts. Also as a body we are to be together doing thins not flitting about from conference to conference. The system in itself is not bad but it does need tweaking. We aren't to be hippies and drop out but we can seek renewal and innovation in how the system functions.


"Many men out there are seeking finances to bolster their ministry"

I can certainly agree with this but as the old saying goes we must not throw out the baby with the bath water.

 

[jiggyfly]

The current system may have its flaws but things are to be done decently and in order which indicates a system of sorts. Also as a body we are to be together doing thins not flitting about from conference to conference. The system in itself is not bad but it does need tweaking. We aren't to be hippies and drop out but we can seek renewal and innovation in how the system functions.


"Many men out there are seeking finances to bolster their ministry"

I can certainly agree with this but as the old saying goes we must not throw out the baby with the bath water.

The christian religious system being good or bad is not the issue. The issue is the origin, the system originated with man not God and therefore is carnal not spiritual. You said your self the system needs to tweaking. Jesus said He would build His Church so why would it need to be tweaked? The answer is it doesn't, Jesus is not an shotty builder. I agree when you say don't throw out the baby with the bath water, but we need to be able to discern which is which. The baby would be representative of the Church that Jesus is building and the bath water is the christian religious system.

 

[Blademan]

The current system may have its flaws but things are to be done decently and in order which indicates a system of sorts.

So, are you saying that systemization is necessary as the sole means by which all things are in order within the Church? Isn't this what motivated Constantine to create, in about 323AD, what is now known as the roman catholic "church"?

Also as a body we are to be together doing thins not flitting about from conference to conference.

What exactly does ths mean?

The system in itself is not bad but it does need tweaking.

This is a very broad brush stroke. Could you be more clear?

We aren't to be hippies and drop out but we can seek renewal and innovation in how the system functions.

Where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in their midst. Those are the words of Christ Jesus...Who is the same today, yesterday and forever.

"Many men out there are seeking finances to bolster their ministry"

I can certainly agree with this but as the old saying goes we must not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Well, this makes for a great cliche' festival, but it fails miserably to effectively address the need for us to actually be willing to cast it all aside in order to bring ourselves into complete alignment with the will and design God has in mind for His Church.

Sometimes the rotten, illegitimate "baby" of institutionalized, religious organizationalism needs to be cast out with the bath water...:suspicious: if and when the Lord so desires. Unfortunately, when the Lord did indeed do that very thing in His affections, it's pretty much granted that many will continue to hold on to their "dead babies" rather than to bury them, fooling themselves into thinking that they're not dead.