According to your definition a prophetess would be discredited for saying anything new b/c it would be considered teaching men. I don't see it written that prophetesses only could prophesies to women and children.
Do you believe women could be a pastor?
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According to your definition a prophetess would be discredited for saying anything new b/c it would be considered teaching men. I don't see it written that prophetesses only could prophesies to women and children.
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Paul tells us why women shouldn't lead in the church or the home. God has made man to support and love the woman. God has gave man the responsibility for his family. It's sad because now days, a lot of men aren't doing their job. They're not loving their wife like they should nor are they raising their kids like Christian men ought to. The Bible is not sexist at all. God has just gave men and women different roles.
1 Timothy 2:11-14
11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." KJV
Ephesians 5:25
"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;" KJV
Male leadership does not belittle women at all. Jesus said His Father was greater than him. Did this belittle Jesus? Not at all.
John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." KJV
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Should Women be Pastors and Elders?
1 Timothy 2:11-14
11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." KJV
Ephesians 5:25
"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;" KJV
Male leadership does not belittle women at all. Jesus said His Father was greater than him. Did this belittle Jesus? Not at all.
John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." KJV
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Should Women be Pastors and Elders?
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No, you guys are way past that. Inside or outside of a church anything that exceeds any mans given understanding is off limits to women. That is what your saying. Good thing it's not a hundred years ago never mind two thousand.
Anyway, I won't waste any more of your time.
Anyway, I won't waste any more of your time.
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Likewise Abigail I do not like this thread as I have heard good preaching from women on Sundays who are leaders in the Church. Too much like another thread on here regarding women.
God bless you all.
LLJ
:rainbow: :rose:
God bless you all.
LLJ
:rainbow: :rose:A church I had attended several years ago had a Pastor whose wife was very much a part of the church as well, with song and encouragement. Occasionally, she gave some sermons of her own, and was extremely uplifting. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to her, also.
If she were the Pastor though, I would have felt the need to choose to look for another church. I do not feel that it was God's intention for a woman to be a Pastor. I feel that it was God's intention for a woman to be available for help and support, when needed by the Pastor, God's shephard of the flock.
God bless all of you!
If she were the Pastor though, I would have felt the need to choose to look for another church. I do not feel that it was God's intention for a woman to be a Pastor. I feel that it was God's intention for a woman to be available for help and support, when needed by the Pastor, God's shephard of the flock.
God bless all of you!
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I'm a Deacon and I'm not married
Can I say one thing simple..
1 Timothy 2:11-14 it as to do with being married at home in that authority not a authority in a church according to verses 13 and 15... Do not just take scripture and verse out and say it has to do with ministry work that false and taking it a man made traditions..
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"Likewise Abigail I do not like this thread as I have heard good preaching from women on Sundays who are leaders in the Church. Too much like another thread on here regarding women.
God bless you all.
LLJ
It's more than just not liking the thread for women b/c fear is still involved. The fact is that our sisters,and female prophets have been burned and killed for trying to do what God asked them to. No one would do this for any other reason I'm sure. It's a heartache. When will it end and how?
Then comes the guantlet of being 1000% right 1000% of the time *as the stomach turns*
I think the boys club sign should come down, but I'm not going to be the one to take the fall this time b/c it would just start again the next time and I'm tired of it.
btw, I think there must be other reasons for doing this b/c God is definately telling me to leave it alone. Sianara!
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Boys club? That's kind of silly, don't you think?
Tell me how you interpret the below verses.
1 Timothy 2:11-14
11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." KJV
I get the feeling you think anyone that thinks women shouldn't be pastor is sexist. I base my beliefs on the Bible, not on feelings. I'm not a woman hater nor are my beliefs filled with hate. I'm not in a "boys club", I'm in the Bible club and I will stand by the word of God till I die.
2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" KJV
Tell me how you interpret the below verses.
1 Timothy 2:11-14
11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." KJV
I get the feeling you think anyone that thinks women shouldn't be pastor is sexist. I base my beliefs on the Bible, not on feelings. I'm not a woman hater nor are my beliefs filled with hate. I'm not in a "boys club", I'm in the Bible club and I will stand by the word of God till I die.
2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" KJV
according to the word of god women are not to be in any leadership over the men. this point is made in a few places of the new testiment.
however as men we have laid down to our responsibilties to the church and the women and children of the church. so i think that it is safe to say that until men are willing to play their part then i am saying nothing against women preachers. i will not be a part of a church that has a woman in leadership though.
however as men we have laid down to our responsibilties to the church and the women and children of the church. so i think that it is safe to say that until men are willing to play their part then i am saying nothing against women preachers. i will not be a part of a church that has a woman in leadership though.
I have aready stated my beleifs that yours are outdated, not according to grace but according to law (as Paul also stated)
Yes, I think your ways are prejudised against women who are equal partners of the blessings.
I honestly have no reason to listen to you since it's all one sided with you and no reasonable talk is possible.
Also, thank you to all the "real men" in this thread. :hugs:
Cody I honestly get the feeling from you (oh no I said feeling) that you are working from a jealousy that all men and no women are not in a leading positions , but that is in the catagory of envey and not of the kingdom.
Also. if the prophetess would stop being killed off in word and deed then maybe some good would come to the Lord's people on earth. No matter who carries the Word it's all a part of the whole bodies inheritance and I see a few squeeky wheels quellshing it for everyone. JMHO
Yes, I think your ways are prejudised against women who are equal partners of the blessings.
I honestly have no reason to listen to you since it's all one sided with you and no reasonable talk is possible.
Also, thank you to all the "real men" in this thread. :hugs:
Cody I honestly get the feeling from you (oh no I said feeling) that you are working from a jealousy that all men and no women are not in a leading positions , but that is in the catagory of envey and not of the kingdom.
Also. if the prophetess would stop being killed off in word and deed then maybe some good would come to the Lord's people on earth. No matter who carries the Word it's all a part of the whole bodies inheritance and I see a few squeeky wheels quellshing it for everyone. JMHO
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In the Bible, the prophet Isaiah condemned people because there were women that ruled over them.
Isaiah 3:12
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." KJV
Isaiah 3:12
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." KJV
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That quote is definately refering to weak men.
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What About Galatians 3:28?
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus," (Gal. 3:28).
This verse is often used to support the idea that women can hold the offices of elder and pastor because there is neither male nor female in Christ. The argument states that if we are all equal, then women can be pastors.
Unfortunately, those who use this verse this way have failed to read the context. Verse 23 talks about being under the Law "before faith came" and how we are brought closer to Jesus and have become sons of God by faith. We are no longer under law, but grace and we are "Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise," (v. 29).(2) The point of this passage is that we are all saved by God's grace according to the promise of God and that it doesn't matter who you are, Jew, Greek, slave, free, male, or female. All are saved the same way, by grace. In that, there is neither male nor female.
This verse is not talking about church structure. It is talking about salvation "in Christ." It cannot be used to support women as pastors because that isn't what it is talking about. Instead, to find out about church structure and leadership, you need to go to those passages that talk about it: 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1.
Women Pastors?
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus," (Gal. 3:28).
This verse is often used to support the idea that women can hold the offices of elder and pastor because there is neither male nor female in Christ. The argument states that if we are all equal, then women can be pastors.
Unfortunately, those who use this verse this way have failed to read the context. Verse 23 talks about being under the Law "before faith came" and how we are brought closer to Jesus and have become sons of God by faith. We are no longer under law, but grace and we are "Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise," (v. 29).(2) The point of this passage is that we are all saved by God's grace according to the promise of God and that it doesn't matter who you are, Jew, Greek, slave, free, male, or female. All are saved the same way, by grace. In that, there is neither male nor female.
This verse is not talking about church structure. It is talking about salvation "in Christ." It cannot be used to support women as pastors because that isn't what it is talking about. Instead, to find out about church structure and leadership, you need to go to those passages that talk about it: 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1.
Women Pastors?
This is another gray area for me so I do not have an answer. I'm not so bright in understanding the bible unless something is written very clear...like yes or no.
I do want to ask Abigail a question. If God had given a direct answer and said that women are never to be a pastor in church would you consider it a boy's club?
I'm not being sarcastic or rude in anyway. I understand how you feel and I actually appreciate you creating this topic because the discussion sparks my interest. The men are only replying with what they understand from God's word.
God bless.
I do want to ask Abigail a question. If God had given a direct answer and said that women are never to be a pastor in church would you consider it a boy's club?
I'm not being sarcastic or rude in anyway. I understand how you feel and I actually appreciate you creating this topic because the discussion sparks my interest. The men are only replying with what they understand from God's word.
God bless.
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Exactly, they were so weak they had women rulers.
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Sister Abigail. I read a few of your responses to this thread.
As I see it, like your post above, you see the word of God, clearly tell you in plain English that a woman has her place, but you choose not to accept it.
On the previous page, in Timothy the Bible tells us how a woman is supposed to be, it's nothing to be ashamed of, there's nothing wrong with it.
Could the explanation of Adam and Eve not be clearer enough to you? This need not be an argument if you follow the Bible, and not just one part of it. Do we accept Galatians as truth and Timothy as a lie? Or do we accept the whole Bible as truth?
Silence is golden is an old saying, I think it needs to be exercised though.
abagail are you married. the bible states very clearly that the woman is to submitt to her husband in all things. not part things but in all things. there are plenty of scripture to state that women are not to head over the men. and the bible was written just as much for today as it was for yesterday. their is nowhere in the word that states twist to fit your own desires because4 it was written thousands of years ago.
this is alot like the womens lib garbage and abortion being legalized. paul stated some very harsh words concerning women leaders and not once did he mention that it was the law and no longer matters.
this is alot like the womens lib garbage and abortion being legalized. paul stated some very harsh words concerning women leaders and not once did he mention that it was the law and no longer matters.
Amen, Ushalk. You have written other things that I agree with, also, but I'll just make this short.
We can all have our opinions, but God is the One with the last say. You read and understand the Bible very well, in my opinion, and I do not feel that you are putting women (us) down, just stating a fact, whether one likes it or not.
I am going to speak up about something that really bothers me, though. It makes me sad when God is refered to as "god." Please capitalize the "G," as He is not just any "god' and is worthy of His Glory.
God bless, everyone.
thank you happycat. i will work on the G in Gods name. i do not know how to type and i do not hit the caps button. it is either all caps or all small. but do to the fact that we are talking about the father i will try to do so.
thank you for understanding where i am coming from. the word is the word and i do not like the way that it is twisted to say what people want it to say rather than what it does say.
thank you for understanding where i am coming from. the word is the word and i do not like the way that it is twisted to say what people want it to say rather than what it does say.
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Hi brother ushalk, it's a bit off topic, I decided to post it here so anyone else knows as well.
If you need to type a captial letter, for instance G, you press and hold your "shift" button and press the letter, for instance shift+G, then you leave the shift button after typing the letter.
That's the easiest way, then you don't have to put caps lock on or off.
Thank you for pointing that error out sister HappyCat, I was aware of it, but I was waiting for a better time to approach it.
God bless
Much love
Faithful Son
If you need to type a captial letter, for instance G, you press and hold your "shift" button and press the letter, for instance shift+G, then you leave the shift button after typing the letter.
That's the easiest way, then you don't have to put caps lock on or off.
Thank you for pointing that error out sister HappyCat, I was aware of it, but I was waiting for a better time to approach it.
God bless
Much love
Faithful Son
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