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Chad

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The New International Version - NIV
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". . . ye have PERVERTED the words of the living God. . ."
Jeremiah 23:36


This generation has a hunger for version. What was version just a few years ago, is now "normal". What was "hiding" in the closet is now "parading" in our streets. version has found a welcome home - from the living room, to the White House; from our churches - to even the word of God!

Our friend Webster, defines "pervert" as 1. to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true... 2. to twist the meaning or sense of: misinterpret (Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1977, p.856).

A perfect definition of The New International Version (NIV): "to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true" and "to twist the meaning or sense of". If you doubt that, before you start reading this tract - get the NIV and check it as you read this tract!

The NIV perverts the deity of Jesus Christ!

I TIMOTHY 3:16: The clearest verse in the Bible proclaiming that Jesus Christ was God. The King James Bible (KJB) reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH. . ." The King James says, plainly, "GOD was manifest in the flesh". The NIV reads, "HE appeared in a body". The NIV "twists" "GOD" to "HE". "HE appeared in a body"? So What? Everyone has "appeared in a body"! "He" is a pronoun that refers to a noun or antecedent. There is no antecedent in the context! The statement does NOT make sense! The NIV subtilty (see Genesis 3:1) perverts I Timothy 3:16 into utter nonsense!

PHILIPPIANS 2:6: The KJB again, clearly declares the deity of Jesus Christ: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD" The NIV reads, "Who, being in very nature God, DID NOT CONSIDER EQUALITY WITH GOD something to be grasped,". The NIV again subtitly perverts the deity of Jesus Christ!

The NIV perverts the virgin birth!

LUKE 2:33: The King James Bible reads, "And JOSEPH and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him." The NIV reads, "The CHILD'S FATHER and mother marveled at what was said about him." The "CHILD'S FATHER"? Was Joseph Jesus's father? Not if you believe the virgin birth! Not if you believe John 3:16, that Jesus Christ was the Son of God! A subtil, "version" of the virgin birth. See also Luke 2:43.

The NIV removes the blood of Jesus Christ!

COLOSSIANS 1:14: The KJB reads, "In whom we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD, even the forgiveness of sins:" The NIV reads, "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." The NIV rips out the precious words "THROUGH HIS BLOOD"! Friend, redemption is ONLY "THROUGH HIS BLOOD". Hebrews 9:22, reads, ". . . without shedding of BLOOD is no remission." That old song says, "What can wash away my sins, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!"

The NIV perverts John 3:16 into a LIE!

JOHN 3:16: The NIV reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his ONE AND ONLY SON, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" Jesus was NOT "the one and only son" - Adam is called the "son of God" in Luke 3:38, there are "sons of God" in Job 1:6 and Christians are called "sons of God" in Phil 2:15, I John 3:2- but Jesus was the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON"! By removing the critical word "BEGOTTEN" - The NIV perverts John 3:16 into a LIE! The NIV does the same in John 1:14, 1:18, and 3:18.

The NIV perverts TRUTH into LIES!

The NIV perverts Mark 1:2,3 into a LIE! The NIV reads "It is written in Isaiah the prophet: I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way-a voice of one calling in the desert, Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him." It is NOT written in Isaiah! "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way" - is found in Malachi 3:1! The King James correctly reads: "As it is written in the PROPHETS, . . ." A better translation! Easier to read - BY A LIE!

Psalms 119:160 says, "Thy word is TRUE. . ." John 17:17 says, ". . . thy word is TRUTH." Titus 1:2 clearly says, ". . . God that CANNOT LIE" How could the God of Titus 1:2 be the God of Mark 1:2,3 in the NIV!? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! For Hebrews 6:18 clearly declares, ". . . it was IMPOSSIBLE for God to LIE" It is impossible for the LIES in the NIV to be the words of GOD! Whose words are they? I'll give you a hint - Jesus Christ calls him "A LIAR, and the father of it" in John 8:44!

The NIV again openly LIES in 2 Samuel 21:19, ". . . Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod." What 8-year-old doesn't know that David killed Goliath?

Romans 1:18-32 describes the "path to version" and verse 25, describes their decline, "Who changed the TRUTH of God into a LIE. . ."! Not surprisingly, The NIV perverts Romans 1:25 from "CHANGED the truth of God INTO a lie" to "EXCHANGED the truth of God FOR a lie"!

The NIV and sexual version!

Romans 1:26-32 also shows the "fruits" of "sowing" ". . . the TRUTH of God into a LIE. . ." Verses 26-27 says "FOR THIS CAUSE (vs 25 for "changing the TRUTH of God into a LIE") God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, . . ."

The last few years homosexuality and sexual version have "exploded" into the mainstream. Legislation is now pending making same-sex marriages legal. Books such as Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy's Roommate, promoting homosexuality, are in our schools. According to The Washington Post, bisexuality and homosexuality, are the "in thing" in our public schools. And even churches are now welcoming homosexuals and are even ordaining them in the ministry!

A literary critic on the NIV translation was homosexual author Dr. Virginia Mollenkott. In Episcopal, Witness (June 1991, pp. 20-23), she admits, "My lesbianism has ALWAYS been a part of me. . ." To no surprise, "sodomite" is completely removed from the NIV. (Deut. 23:17, I Kings 14:24, 15:12, 22:46, II Kings 23:7) And of course, I Cor. 6:9, ". . . effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. . ." is replaced with the non-offensive ". . . nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. . ." Notice the NIV in I Cor. 6:9 does NOT condemn "homosexuals" or the "act of homosexuality" - but ONLY "homosexual OFFENDERS".

The NIV & Zondervan

A little known fact: In 1988 Zondervan and the NIV was purchased by Harper & Row, Publishers (now HarperCollins Publishers). HarperCollins publishes "pro-homosexual" books such as Making Out, The Book of Lesbian Sex and Sexuality described as "Beautifully illustrated with full-color photography,. . . Making Out is the complete illustrated guide to lesbian sexuality and relationships. . .the intricacies of love play. . ." and many other pro-homosexual books!

HarperCollins is a subsidiary of the global media empire, The News Corporation, owned by Rupert Murdock. The News Corporation empire include Fox Broadcasting, Twentieth Century Fox, and more than 128 newspapers. Fox Broadcasting produces some of the most sexually lewd shows on television. Murdock also publishes the British newspaper, the Sun, notorious for its nude pin-ups.
VERY IMPORTANT! For the REAL PROOF Check out this link to HarperCollins

Now where is Don Wildmon when we really need him? Don was quick to boycott Kmart because subsidiary, Waldenbooks sold Playboy and Penthouse. Kmart can't "hold a candle" to the "filth" spewed by The News Corporation. Why isn't Don boycotting Zondervan and the NIV? Friend, every time you purchase the NIV you are giving to people who produce pro-homosexuality, pornographic material — AND THE SATANIC BIBLE! "Can two walk together, except they be AGREED?" Amos 3:3
Jesus Christ plainly said in Matthew 7:17-18:

Even so every GOOD tree bringeth forth GOOD fruit; but a CORRUPT tree bringeth forth EVIL FRUIT. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a CORRUPT tree bring forth GOOD FRUIT. (Matthew 7:17-18)

Do you think Jesus Christ was LYING?

Do you really believe God would ALLOW His HOLY word to be "owned" by that group? ". . .for what fellowship hath RIGHTEOUSNESS with UNRIGHTEOUSNESS? and what communion hath light with darkness?"2 Cor. 6:14

Do you actually believe God would ALLOW His Holy Word to published by the same ungodly people who publish the Satanic Bible?

Being born again, not of CORRUPTIBLE seed, but of INCORRUPTIBLE, by the WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23)

Isn't it EQUALLY amazing that the King James Bible is the ONLY Bible that is not OWNED by men?

That's right! The King James Bible has no COPYRIGHT ownership! It's copyright is the CROWN COPYRIGHT which ALLOWS it to be published by ANYONE, ANYTIME! Without asking ANYBODY for permission!

". . .but the word of God is NOT BOUND." 2 Timothy 2:9

The NIV robs Jesus Christ of worship!
In Matt. 8:2, 9:18, 15:25, 18:26, 20:20, Mark 5:6, 15:19 "worshipped him" is removed in the NIV! Why doesn't the NIV want Jesus Christ to be worshipped? Hint: see Luke 4:7, Matt. 4:9.

The NIV perverts Jesus Christ into Lucifer!
Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest desire, "I will be like the most High." And with a little subtil version - the NIV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish!

ISAIAH 14:12: The KJB reads, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!. . ." The NIV version reads, "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn. . ." The NIV change "Lucifer" to "MORNING STAR".

BUT WAIT. . . I thought the Lord Jesus Christ was the MORNING STAR?

Doesn't Revelation 22:16 say, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and MORNING STAR".

The NIV CLEARY AND BLATANTLY makes LUCIFER -- The Lord Jesus Christ! WHAT BLASPHEMY! WHAT version! And Christians claim the NIV is a "better translation"!

ISAIAH 14:15: The King James Bible condemns Lucifer to hell: "Yet thou shalt be brought down to HELL . . ." The NIV does NOT condemn Lucifer to HELL! The NIV reads, "But you are brought down to the GRAVE. . ." We all go to the GRAVE! Why doesn't the NIV want Satan in hell?

The NIV removes and perverts the place of hell!

The word "hell" occurs 31 times in the Old Testament in the King James Bible. In the Old Testament of the NIV it occurs - ZERO! The word "hell" is NOT in the Old Testament of the NIV!

And what do they do with "hell"? Take PSALM 9:17 for example:

The King James reads, "The wicked shall be turned into HELL. . ."

The NIV, reads, "The wicked return to the GRAVE. . ." We ALL "return to the GRAVE"! By removing "hell" the NIV perverts Psalm 9:17 into nonsense!

In the New Testament the NIV zaps out "hell" 9 times. And what "clearer" "easier to understand" word does the NIV "update" hell with? Five times they use - HADES! (Matt 16:18, Rev 1:18, 6:8, 20:13,14) What "common person" understands HADES? Everybody knows what HELL is! Do you know what HADES is? Hades is not always a place of torment or terror. The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called "Happy Fields". In the satanic New Age Movement, Hades is an intermediate state of purification! Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary defines HADES: "the underground abode of the dead in Greek MYTHOLOGY". The NIV perverts your Bible into MYTHOLOGY!

The NIV perverts The Lord's Prayer into The Devil's Prayer!

LUKE 11:2-4: The KJB reads, ". . .Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil." The NIV removes everything that refers to a Holy God in heaven -"WHICH ART IN HEAVEN. . . Thy will be done, AS IN HEAVEN, so in earth. . . but DELIVER US FROM EVIL." Everything that distinguishes God from the Devil is REMOVED! "OUR FATHER" of the NIV is "NOT IN HEAVEN" and "DOES NOT DELIVER FROM EVIL!" I wonder who it could be? (hint: see John 8:44)

The Bible warns against taking away and adding to the words of God!

Deuteronomy 4:2 reads: "YE SHALL NOT ADD unto the word which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH ought from it . . ."
Proverbs 30:6, reads, "ADD THOU NOT unto his words . . ."

And just in case you missed it, GOD'S LAST WARNING is Revelation 22:18,19, ". . . If any man SHALL ADD unto these things. . . And if any man shall TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . ."

And Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:12, gives a clear aim of Satan, ". . . then cometh the devil, and TAKETH AWAY the word . . ."

The NIV completely "TAKETH AWAY" 17 verses!

Wonderful and precious verses like:

MATTHEW 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.".

ACTS 8:37: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

The NIV version completely "TAKETH AWAY" Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, Luke 17:36, 23:17, John 5:4, Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:28, Romans 16:24 and 1 John 5:7!

After Mark 16:8 the NIV says, "The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20." ZAP-There goes another 12 verses! And by the way, that is absolutely untrue! The book, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark, by Dean Burgon contains over 400 pages of documented evidence for Mark 16:9-20, that has never been refuted, nor ever will!

After John 7:52, the NIV, reads, "The earliest and most reliable manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53-8:11" ZAP-There goes another 12 verses!

Matt. 12:47, 21:44, Luke 22:43 and 22:44 are all removed in the footnotes!
That's 45 complete verses the NIV removes from the text or in the footnotes!

The NIV "TAKETH AWAY" 64,576 words!

Don't look for the "mercyseat" in the NIV - GONE!
Don't look for "Jehovah" in the NIV - GONE!
Don't look for the "Godhead" in the NIV - GONE!
The NIV removes wonderful Bible "terms" like remission, regeneration, impute, propitiation, new testament and many others!

Despite God's clear warnings about "taking away" from His words - the NIV removes 64,576 words! Over 8 percent of God's word is "TAKETH AWAY"!
That equals REMOVING the books of Ruth, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Malachi, Colossians, I Thessalonians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, Titus, Philemon, James, I Peter, II Peter, I John, II John, III John, Jude and more - COMBINED!!! The equivalence of ripping out OVER 30 BOOKS of the Bible!

In case you think it's insignificant words like "thee" and "thou"? The NIV removes major portions of at least 147 verses!

Here's a small (very small) sampling of words removed in the NIV!

Matt. 6:13, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
Matt. 15:8, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth"
Matt. 19:9, "and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."
Matt. 20:7, "and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive."
Matt. 20:16, "for many be called, but few chosen."
Matt. 20:22, "and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with"
Matt. 25:13, "wherein the Son of Man cometh."
Matt. 27:35, "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet They parted my garments among them and upon my vesture did they cast lots"
Mark 6:11, "Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."
Mark 10:21, "take up the cross."
Luke 1:28, "blessed art thou among women"
Luke 4:4, "but by every word of God"
Luke 4:8, "get thee behind me Satan"
Luke 4:18, "he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted"
Luke 11:2-4, "Our ... which art in ... Thy will be done, as in heaven so in earth... but deliver us from evil"
John 1:27, "is preferred before me"
John 3:13, "which is in heaven"
John 3:15, "should not perish"
John 11:41, "from the place where the dead was laid"
John 16:16, "because I go to the Father"
Acts 10:6, "he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do"
Acts 15:18, "Known unto God are all his works"
Acts 20:24, "But none of these things move me"
Acts 23:9, "let us not fight against God"
Rom. 8:1, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit"
Rom. 13:9, "Thou shalt not bear false witness"
I Cor. 6:20, "and in your spirit which are God's"
I Cor. 11:24; "Take eat... broken"
II Cor. 10:4, "but mighty through God"
Gal. 3:1, "that you should not obey the truth"
Eph. 5:30, "of his flesh, and of his bones"
Phil. 3:16, "let us mind the same thing"
I Tim. 6:5, "from such wthdraw thyself"
Heb. 7:21, "after the order of Melchisedec"
I Pet. 1:22, "through the Spirit"
I Pet. 4:14, "on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified"
I John 4:3, "Christ is come in the flesh"
I John 5:13, "and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God"
Rev. 1:11, "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last"
Rev. 5:14, "him that liveth for ever and ever"
Rev. 14:5, "before the throne of God"
Rev. 21:24, "of them which are saved"
Jesus Christ says, in Luke 4:4, ". . . It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God." But not according to the NIV! In fact, the NIV even "TAKETH AWAY" the last half of Luke 4:4 - "BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD"! And Jesus Christ was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 to Satan! Does the NIV version seriously think the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT know Duet. 8:3???

The LIES used to promote the NIV. . .

LIE 1) The NIV "just" updates the "archaic" words and makes it "easier to understand". Nothing is "really changed.

FACT: The NIV denys the deity of Jesus Christ; the virgin birth; glorifies Satan; openly lie; removes 17 complete verses and 64,576 words!

LIE 2) The NIV is easier to read and understand.

FACT: According to a Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level research study, The King James Bible is by far the easiest! Out of 26 different categories - the King James graded easier in a whopping 23! In selected analysis, the KJB average grade level was 5.8 - the NIV was 8.4! (New Age Bible Versions, Riplinger, pp.195-209)

LIE 3) Older and more reliable manuscripts have been discovered since the King James Bible.

FACT: Dr. Sam Gipp writes, "The fact is, that the King James translators had ALL OF THE READINGS available to them that modern critics have available to them today." (The Answer Book, Gipp, p.110) And furthermore, it is a well documented fact that 90 - 95 per cent of all readings agree with the King James Bible!

LIE 4) The NIV is more accurate.

FACT: The KJB is a literal word for word translation. When the translators had to add words for sentence structure they are in italics. The NIV uses "dynamic equivalence". Rather than a word for word translation, they add, change and subtract to make the verse say what they "thought" it should! The Preface to the NIV even says, ". . .they have striven for more than a word-for-word translation. . ."

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt KEEP them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOR EVER."
Psalms 12:6, 7
 
Thank you Chad, I've already put my NIV away. I have King James but I was thinking about getting New King James.

Alot of people read NIV,and don't realise the falsehood in it.

You can't fight with a rusty sword.
 
Here is also a sermon on the NIV by Howard King. The Sermon is titled "What's Wrong with the NIV?" It is about 58 minutes, but if you read the NIV, I think you should take the time to listen. There is a lot of important information in the sermon. This is an important issue and I believe we need to look into it with open minds and remember God's word is Holy.

"What's Wrong with the NIV?"

Brief Sermon Overview:
The NIV is based on a corrupt textual foundation, uses an unbiblical translation methodology and speaks a language inappropriate for the purposes of the worship of God. It is not the word of God, but the word of men.
 
I have been told that a lot of Churches actually do use the NIV. I am very surprised to read all of this. I did find out a few things that were missing from it the other week.

I have recently been using scriptures from other versions instead.

God bless

LLJ :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
Wow this is an eye-opener. I read the NIV version and refer to the KJ aswell, but it seems I may have done my family members an injustice by buying them NIV bibles as gifts.

Calluna
 
The King James Version is also and more commonly known as the Authorized Version. Here in the U.K.

It is some years ago now, in the 1070s I believe when the N.I.V. came upon the scene. I recall it being referred to as the Now Indispensable Version.(N.I.V.)

I had to reply saying that the Authorized Version (A.V.)was infact the Absolutely Vital version

I recall a Scotsman Evangelist rising to preach and saying that he was reading from the Authorized Version, and he was doing that.... because its Authorized. (you would need to know the Scots accent to really appreciate that) But you get the point he was making, which still stands
 
It's hard for me to accept this article. There is not one Bible translation which is identical. Upon deciding whether I should buy my Message Bible, I read countless upon countless comments saying it was evil and wrong.

I can truly say that studying both the Message and the NIV, I have never felt the Lord tell me it's wrong to read that Bible. This article posts the flaws, which were meticulously searched for by some people.

I agree, the fact that a Bible translation owns a business which caters for homosexuality is completely wrong.

I will however continue to read my Message Bible, since God has shown me many things in it. And I have learned many things from the NIV about God's Word.

But for the sake of holding truth to God and the members of TJ, I will start quoting from the NASB, like I used to.

God bless
Much love
teraside
 
The New International Version is a completely new translation of the Holy Bible made by over 100 scholars working directly from the best available Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts ....................
That they were from many denominations - including Anglican, Assemblies of God, Baptist, Brethren, Christian Reformed, Church of Christ, Evangelical Free, Lutheran, Mennonite, Methodist, Nazarene, Presbyterian, Wesleyan and other churches helped to safe guard the translation from sectarian bias.

So begins the Preface to the N.I.V.

Looking at those names you can make up your own mind re the outcome translation.

The Message is the work of Eugene H. Patterson......alone. It is not a bible, neither is it a version of the bible, it is a paraphrase of the bible. That means that it is a statement giving the meaning of another statement, a loose or free translation. To paraphrase is to translate with latitude. We have to remember this when quoting.

Many preachers today use, many refer to, the N.I.V. and also refer to the message. I do myself. But when it comes down to wanting to know what the scripture is really saying the A.V. is absolutely vital, with reference to a concordance for word interpretation

It is an excellent article making us aware.
 
So begins the Preface to the N.I.V.

Looking at those names you can make up your own mind re the outcome translation.

The Message is the work of Eugene H. Patterson......alone. It is not a bible, neither is it a version of the bible, it is a paraphrase of the bible. That means that it is a statement giving the meaning of another statement, a loose or free translation. To paraphrase is to translate with latitude. We have to remember this when quoting.

Many preachers today use, many refer to, the N.I.V. and also refer to the message. I do myself. But when it comes down to wanting to know what the scripture is really saying the A.V. is absolutely vital, with reference to a concordance for word interpretation

It is an excellent article making us aware.


I agree on this brother Stephen. A little effort goes a long way. In respect to GOD and His Word, in respect to Jesus Christ who went through unimaginable pain for our sake, who is the Living Word and which the Bible is all about Jesus, we should put a little effort to research.

I use the NKJV and started off 5 years ago with ESV. I will purchase also the KJV Study Bible. Maybe learn Greek while I'm at it.
 
I use the NKJV and started off 5 years ago with ESV. I will purchase also the KJV Study Bible. Maybe learn Greek while I'm at it :)
You good people over the pond are an example to us.
 
I personally think, the message of the true Living God has not gone out, if it has, it’s in the minority; because people won’t listen to it, as they would rather follow a huge crowd, than be of that minority.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I have seen contradictions, even in the KJV, since I have started reading it. The devil has deceived the whole world, what has he deceived us with? This question has gone through my mind a million times.

This scripture makes me think.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

As far as what Bible you read, people tend to pick the one that suits their own pleasures, to fit in with their own life-style.

2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Sorry, but I am out to find the truth, and I am out looking for it, and I am searching in all directions. If it hurts me getting to the truth, than so be it. I am not going to be fooled by man, and I will not be robbed of my eternity, because of mans evil ways.

Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

There is too much division, out there for my liking, (and that’s among the Christians) Even amongst friends and family. I don’t blame them, it’s what they have heard and been taught.

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

I don’t claim to know everything, because I don’t. I have made mistakes, many of them, so it’s quite possible that the man standing at that pulpit, has also made mistakes, listening to rather man instead of the Creator.

There should be only one book of the Holy Scriptures, as far as I am concerned, and that be interpreted into other languages, so that each and every culture and creed can hear the Word of God.

But look alone, how many Bible there are in English. :shock:

Divisions occur, because of Bible translations and this has caused a huge one.
 
I use the NKJV and started off 5 years ago with ESV. I will purchase also the KJV Study Bible. Maybe learn Greek while I'm at it :)

I agree with Chad. I was going to buy the NIV because it seems to be the most popular version and everyone says it's easy to read. But I felt led to research more on it before buying it. I'm glad I waited because this is very serious. I couldn't believe it denied the virgin birth and deity of Christ, and then all those verses and words taken out. Then when I heard the sermon on the NIV, it also scares me about other new versions. I think I'm going to stick to the KJV.
 
A storm in a teacup

According to the KJV there is a lot wrong with the new versions. In the UK, Christians formed themselves into roughly two groups. The ‘senior class’ adopted the NIV while the ‘juniors’ used the Good News Bible (TEV to the Americans). I never really liked the NIV because it didn't flow like the KJV but having said that one has to ask, "Can this version offer salvation to the sinner?" I have to say that any version that points out sin to the sinner and offers a way to God through Jesus Christ our Lord is worth having. If the saved person then goes on to read a version he is more comfortable with then that is good too.

None of us learn everything overnight. Light is revealed little by little throughout our Christian life and if we OBEY the truth rather than just reading it we shall be saved. Actually I am surprised that Americans adopt the English Authorized KJV of 1611 rather than the American revision of 1901 which is supposed to be a better rendering than the English revision of 1885.

God bless
 
You made some good points brother Lance regarding salvation and mentioning that we are sinners in need of a Savior. However, I must say it is critically important that one does read an "authoritive" translation of the Bible whether it be KJV or any other.

I now no longer feel comfortable about the NIV for the obvious reasons mentioned in the original post. I personally would not dare support a publishing company that sells the "satanic bible" and that had a lesbian member on the group involved in bringing the NIV to fruition. That's absoultely out of line. Let's not forget the many other reasons mentioned.

There are plenty of valid translations that one can consider over the NIV.

I just purchased the King James Version Study Bible yesterday. I will read up on it, study it thoroughly and post my review (not criticism) in a few months or so. I'm confident it will be spectacular, especially since I always refrained from the KJV for the common reason (outdated english).
 
I just purchased the King James Version Study Bible yesterday. I will read up on it, study it thoroughly and post my review (not criticism) in a few months or so. I'm confident it will be spectacular, especially since I always refrained from the KJV for the common reason (outdated English).

I have the King James Version Study Bible in both book and electronic form. I can thoroughly recommend it Chad.

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I have the Thompson Chain-Reference King James Version Bible. I think it's great to study with and a lot of preachers here use it.
 
I have the Thompson Chain-Reference King James Version Bible. I think it's great to study with and a lot of preachers here use it.

That is a good one too. I spent years trying to obtain a second hand copy before giving up and buying a new one. The index system can be a little difficult to get used to but it contains an enormous amount of useful preaching material.

One of the bugbears I have had to put up with on fora is the issue of copyright. I am sure that Christian authors don't mind small quotations from their text in the interests of furthuring the cause as long as they get recognition but those who like to stifle true Christian teaching use copyright as a weapon.

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For a detailed and I do mean detailed treatment of bible versions vs The King James Bible I strongly recommend Gayle Riplinger's books.

"New Age Bible versions." and "In Awe of the Word"

From my own experience as a writer let me add this, in order for a work (an article, short story or a book) to be granted a copyright, it must be demonstrated to be "substantially different in content" than the work (book) it is derived from. In short copyrighted bibles (all of them) had to be substantially changed from the original (The KJV) in order to be granted a copyright! It's our law. But think what it really means!

The KJV is the only bible that DOES NOT have a copyright. It is in the "public domain, which means that any publisher is free to publish it.

ALL other bible versions have a copyright, which means that men had to CHANGE some of it to have a copyright issued.

Why have a copyright? So that someone (A man, company) controls it!

It is God's word and He has controlled it for nearly 5000 years now, what does man think? As God asked Job, "Would you question the creator?" (I have paraphrased the question.)

I sincerely hope that this opens a few hearts and minds.
 
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The KJV is the only bible that DOES NOT have a copyright. It is in the "public domain, which means that any publisher is free to publish it.

Not strictly true DeaconBob3. The Authorised KJV is Crown copyright in the UK but not in the rest of the world. In the UK every copy of the KJV must carry a copy the Epistle Dedicatory at the front. This is absent in versions published overseas but is readily available on the Internet. It has some strange things to say about a certain Christian church.

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I just read the Epistle Dedicatory and the translators' notes to the KJV. Found on the web by google search.

The HTML formating of these two documents is copyrighted, but the text of the King James is as I have said is NOT copyrighted.

Editor's Notes: The original marginal notes are included in [blue brackets] within the body of the text. Some supplemental notes, defining uncommon words, are included in {green braces} within the text. The text, not counting the green additions, is Public Domain, and may be freely used to the glory of God.

If there is a crown copyright on newer version of the KJ in England I was not and am not aware of it until your post Lance. But, perhaps that is why we in the Americas chose the 1885 version as it was in the Public Domain as was the original 1611 version?
 
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