Jimmy Swaggert
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He's a great preacher. I watch his tv show every week almost.
I found his official site / shop online brother
Jimmy Swaggart Ministries
I found his official site / shop online brother
Jimmy Swaggart Ministries
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Wow, I have not heard of Jimmy Swaggart so I will check out his site too. Many thanks to you Chad and to Stephen for the question too. God bless you both.
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I'm afraid I am not very fond of Jimmy Swaggert.
From his repeated adulteress relationships with prostitutes, to his threat to "kill" any homosexual that looks at him "that way" (In a September of 2004 sermon), he just doesn't seem to represent the Christian idea.
From his repeated adulteress relationships with prostitutes, to his threat to "kill" any homosexual that looks at him "that way" (In a September of 2004 sermon), he just doesn't seem to represent the Christian idea.
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Many years ago,I used to like him,but I'm in agreement with you now.I'm shocked he has been allowed back in the pulpit! I remember watching him crying and begging forgiveness from his family, tv viewers and the church, on tv, and 2 weeks later was caught with the same prostitute again! I thought the Assemblies Of God had revoked his right to preach?
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Brother Stephen had a simple request to ask for an audio disc about Jimmy, he did not ask questions that pertain to whether Jimmy is a good man or not, and who are we to say he is not?
Read your Bibles, Judge not.
I hope someone finds a CD for you brother Stephen,
God bless
Much love
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For any with some confusion in their minds, please read the forum rules located here:
http://www.talkjesus.com/press-stand/53-talk-jesus-10-commandments-rule.html
To mention one or two:
Treat each other with respect when posting
Pray before you post. Highly recommended!
Brother Stephen had a simple request to ask for an audio disc about Jimmy, he did not ask questions that pertain to whether Jimmy is a good man or not, and who are we to say he is not?
Read your Bibles, Judge not.
I hope someone finds a CD for you brother Stephen,
God bless
Much love
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Amen brother teraside
Prayer is so important.
Life and death is in the power of the tongue.
Prov.18.21 NIV
The tongue has the power of life and death,
and those who love it will eat its fruit.
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Those who love to talk will experience the consequences, for the tongue can kill or nourish life.
God bless :rose: :rainbow:
Prayer is so important.
Life and death is in the power of the tongue.
Prov.18.21 NIV
The tongue has the power of life and death,
and those who love it will eat its fruit.
NLT
Those who love to talk will experience the consequences, for the tongue can kill or nourish life.
God bless :rose: :rainbow:
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WOW!
Its all a matter of truth. I hear too many people put down others, yet what have they done for Jesus? You need ask yourself that if you do not want to admit so here. I watch Jimmy on tv at least once a week. I see no problem with him other than the obvious, every human is a sinner.
What are you doing for Jesus that credits you to put down Swaggart?
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Ok,how about, I don't do things to destroy my witness! I am also very careful to obey scripture admonitions about such people,so I would not consider supporting such a person. As far as my works,the Lord knows them,and I will not boast.
Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the path of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful.”
Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matt 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
1Cor 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world
Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the path of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful.”
Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matt 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
1Cor 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world
Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
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It is not our place to judge others. We too easily fall into the sin of hypocrisy. Jesus makes that very clear indeed in the Sermon on the Mount.
But that does not mean that we do not have to be judicious. The letters written to the early church are full of warnings about false and corrupt leaders and teachers, as the passages that soblessed posted show. We need to be responsible about whose influence we fall under. If we naively follow everybody who sets themselves up as a leader we are likely to end up in serious trouble.
I know very little about Jimmy Swaggart, so I have no opinion to push regarding his ministry. Adultery, hypocrisy and hateful talk are very serious issues, but God's capacity to forgive and restore is greater. God knows his heart, I don't.
It is an important Christian principle to weigh a person's words and actions and make a decision whether to imitate them or invite their influence.
But that does not mean that we do not have to be judicious. The letters written to the early church are full of warnings about false and corrupt leaders and teachers, as the passages that soblessed posted show. We need to be responsible about whose influence we fall under. If we naively follow everybody who sets themselves up as a leader we are likely to end up in serious trouble.
I know very little about Jimmy Swaggart, so I have no opinion to push regarding his ministry. Adultery, hypocrisy and hateful talk are very serious issues, but God's capacity to forgive and restore is greater. God knows his heart, I don't.
It is an important Christian principle to weigh a person's words and actions and make a decision whether to imitate them or invite their influence.
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It comes down to discernment as you put it brother Kenwyn, that's how I feel about it, and I fully agree with your post.
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Kenwyn, amen to your post! You hit the nail on the head brother.
soblesssed....your post makes it seem as if you've never messed up. What about when David or Solomon messed up? Did they not receive forgiveness from Christ? Who are we to put people down?
Once again, where is your credit due that you have the right to put others down and make it seem as if they are not capable of receiving grace from GOD? Are you perfect? Have you never messed up in your "witness" to others? As a human, I think you sure have because after all - we're just human.
Please think before you speak because the response your giving here is showing a little bit of pride and lack of acknowledging GOD's grace for others who do mess up. How would you like it if someone pointed out your faults and made it sound as if your not worthy to serve GOD? This is exactly what you've done in your responses here in this thread. You are not, nor is any man one to determine who will or will not continue in his or her ministry to server GOD after falling, stumbling. Only GOD makes those calls and GOD made His call for Mr. Swaggart clearly. He is forgiven and moves on to serve GOD. That is GOD's call, not mine nor yours.
What about pastors who mess up and get caught up in adultery or even drug use? Do we kick them while they're down and say they are not worthy to serve GOD by pastoring any longer? GOD heals, forgives and brings back up to stand as He wishes.
soblesssed....your post makes it seem as if you've never messed up. What about when David or Solomon messed up? Did they not receive forgiveness from Christ? Who are we to put people down?
Once again, where is your credit due that you have the right to put others down and make it seem as if they are not capable of receiving grace from GOD? Are you perfect? Have you never messed up in your "witness" to others? As a human, I think you sure have because after all - we're just human.
Please think before you speak because the response your giving here is showing a little bit of pride and lack of acknowledging GOD's grace for others who do mess up. How would you like it if someone pointed out your faults and made it sound as if your not worthy to serve GOD? This is exactly what you've done in your responses here in this thread. You are not, nor is any man one to determine who will or will not continue in his or her ministry to server GOD after falling, stumbling. Only GOD makes those calls and GOD made His call for Mr. Swaggart clearly. He is forgiven and moves on to serve GOD. That is GOD's call, not mine nor yours.
What about pastors who mess up and get caught up in adultery or even drug use? Do we kick them while they're down and say they are not worthy to serve GOD by pastoring any longer? GOD heals, forgives and brings back up to stand as He wishes.
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Wow,talk about judgemental! You attack my spiritual walk,and demand that I defend myself for using scripture to warn Christians just to be discerning about supporting a man with his record! Just because you like him and support him,is no excuse for TOTALLY DISREGARDING his past,sounds like compromising to me! I have no more to say about it.
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Your are wrong. I'm not judgmental. You just didn't answer question, still. But, you responded all excited and anxious. Not to mention, shouting with your "TOTTALLY DISREGARDING" comment. No need to get excited, just answer the question in a humble manner, unlike the way you did. But, people who can't defend themeselves do respond the same way you did, by swaying around a proper answer and accusing the other [myself here] of judging them.
You want Scripture? Let's see what GOD says:
Isaiah 1:17-19 (New King James Version)
17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Rebuke the oppressor;[a]
Defend the fatherless,
Plead for the widow.
18 “ Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“ Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
You shall eat the good of the land;
Will you answer the question you were asked or continue showing a lack of humility? Does GOD not forgive and forget? Does GOD not forgive those who stumble and back slide? Who are you to say otherwise? Does GOD not say we should forgive and forget? Who are you to bring up Jimmy's past as if he is no longer worthy to serve GOD?
Its very apparent you cannot answer this because you refuse to accept the fact that your wrong. His past is his past, but what about GOD's grace now? Do you argue? Yes.
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Eph.6.12 NIV
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Amplified.
For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.
Romans 3.23 NIV
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,* through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished– 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
I speak peace in this forum in the Name of Jesus.
God bless :rainbow: :rose:
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Amplified.
For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.
Romans 3.23 NIV
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,* through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished– 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
I speak peace in this forum in the Name of Jesus.
God bless
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I remember now why I avoided coming to this site,was because of numerous emails sent by you about some debate/issue you were having with some guy,e-mail after e-mail after e-mail about it,that I came to just delete anything from here! I think I would agree with what I barely remember the other guy saying now! Goodbye!
I remember now why I avoided coming to this site,was because of numerous emails sent by you about some debate/issue you were having with some guy,e-mail after e-mail after e-mail about it,that I came to just delete anything from here! I think I would agree with what I barely remember the other guy saying now! Goodbye!