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What are 'ghosts'?

GHooooST

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hi everyone haven’t posted in a while so thought I’d drop in.


I flicked over a channel a while ago quite late at night, the show was something like the worlds most haunted places I cant remember the exact name, and after watching for a bit there was what appeared to be most definitely ghostly images of such from another time space, dimension so to speak in pictures and films that were taken and then later analysed.

what got me was, when we die our bodies become no more, and our souls go straight to God, what happens after the meeting with God I obviously don’t know but what else of a human being is there apart from body and soul?? nothing! so if your soul is with God, and your body is decomposed or has been burnt whatever then what are these so called 'ghosts' the world seemed to be obsessed about??? that’s really annoying me! are they demons? demons aren’t of this world and cannot be seen by a human eye, nor a human camera! so it couldn’t be demons could it? I don’t know, please answer. intriguing......


thank you! God bless
 
Good day GhooooST, I'd like to give you an article from gotquestions.org to read, before reading it, take my advice into account please. Read the article, open your Bible or an online Bible like Biblegateway.com and read the scripture that is noted in the article.

Read it carefully, medidate upon it, reflect on it, ask the Spirit of truth to lead you, let Jesus lead your heart and ask the Father to keep you in His hands. Only through God and by His help can we truly get the true answers.

God bless your heart
Much love
teraside

Here's the article:
Question: "What does the Bible say about ghosts / hauntings?"

Answer: Here are some Bible truths that relate to hauntings and visits by the spirits of dead people. There are only a few incidents that deal with the living having contact with a "dead" person.

a) In 1 Samuel 28:7-19, King Saul seeks a woman with a familiar spirit (demon) to inquire of Samuel about what to do. That she actually manages to communicate with the dead shocks her (v. 12) indicating to me that it did not previously happen.

b) In Matthew 17:1-8, Peter, James and John see Moses and Elijah with Jesus for a brief period of time.

c) In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus tells the story of the rich man and Lazarus. In this story we learn of there being two compartments for the dead until the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11f.). Also in the story the rich man asks for Lazarus to be sent back to warn the living. Moses says it would do not good because if they will not believe God's written word, they will not believe though one should rise from the dead.

From the above three passages of Scripture, I would conclude that there are compartments in which the spirits of the dead dwell for now and that while there are a few instances in which God allowed interaction between the living and the dead, those situations were very rare and not nearly as common as contact between people and angelic beings. Also Luke 16:27-31 would indicate that no human spirits are allowed to return to visit the living without permission, and if permission is not granted for the purpose of warning people to flee from the wrath to come, it would not be given for trifling reasons.

Unlike the two instances dealing with actual contact or communication with dead people, there are numerous instances involving contact with angelic beings, both good angels and evil angels (demons). Many of the instances involving a good angel refer to "the angel of the LORD," usually referring to the appearance of the pre-incarnate Son of God. But many others refer to other good angels that God uses to minister on our behalf (Hebrews 1:14). To minister on our behalf, sometimes they manipulate the physical environment (1 Kings 19:5-7 (the angel touches Elijah and provides food and drink for him); 2 Kings 19:35 (the angel strikes 185,000 Assyrians dead); Daniel 6:22 (the angel closes the mouths of the lions); Acts 12:23 (the angel strikes Herod for accepting worship as though he were a god); etc.)

In like fashion, there are numerous instances in which evil angels (demons) are recorded as interacting with people. And again, they are able to manipulate physical things as well. In Job 1:12-19, they manipulate people to do evil; they cause fire from the sky to consume herds of sheep; they cause a wind to blow down the house in which Job's children were staying. In the gospels a number of instances are recorded of demons possessing people (Matthew 8:16,28f.; 9:32-33; 12:24; 15:22; 17:18; etc.) In these incidents, and several others, the manifestation of the demon possession involved some physical ailment (muteness, epilepsy, blindness, but sometimes supernatural strength). They also possessed the pigs before they ran into the waters and drown in Mt. 8:28f.

I would like to note three things about demons: (1) The demons have no power over anyone but what God allows, that is, Satan (and his host of evil angels) are like wild dogs on leashes and it is God who holds their leashes. They can do only what He allows (Job 1:12; Job 2:6; Matthew 8:31-32). (2) The instances of demonic involvement recorded in Scripture far outnumber the few extreme instances of interaction with dead people. (3) Christ has given His disciples authority over demons (Mark 16:17; Luke 9:1; 10:9).

You might ask why God even allows demons to mess with us. If they are on His leashes, why doesn't He hold them back from any interaction with humans? In the unfathomable wisdom of God, He is able to use their evil desires and intent upon our lives and bring good out of them for Christians (In Mark 1:13 God uses Satan's temptations to prove Jesus' sinlessness; in the Book of Job, God uses Satan to show the integrity of Job's character and then later rewards Job doubly for all he went through; in 2 Corinthians 12:7, God uses Satan's affliction upon Paul to keep Paul from becoming proud). In the case of unbelievers, Satan and the evil angels serve as a type of catalyst working along with the unredeemed world's influence and the cravings of the sinful nature to bring out of unbelievers' hearts the evil that already dwells within, thus revealing to them and others what their true nature (fallen nature) is like (Matthew 15:18-19; Ephesians 2:1-3; Revelation 20:7-9).

Now, as you examine Scripture, particularly the epistles which focus upon our life in the "church age," you find very little dealing with how we are to interact with the demons other than not to presume to address them in our own ability and strength (Jude 1:9). Nor are we told to dwell upon and continually wonder if there are demons working around us even now. (The answer is yes...and sometimes they manifest themselves!) But whether they do or not, they are not to be our focus. Why not? Because once again, they have no authority but what God gives them. Who and what then should be our focus? Our focus needs to be upon God and the clear commands that He gave us in Scripture; if He is our focus, we need fear nothing else (Psalm 27:1).

We are not to become fascinated with the spirit world but to be fascinated by God and His awesome character and attributes (Psalm 27:4; Psalm 73:25). And if, in the course of serving Christ and relying upon Him, we should encounter manifestations of demon possession or demonic activity, we need only turn to Him in simple, believing prayer; relying upon His Word and His Holy Spirit to work as He chooses (even as we should be facing life when there are NO evident manifestations of demonic involvement, for Satan often does his most frequent and effective work behind smoke screens and never makes his presence or that of his demons evident (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

If demons should happen to be manifesting their presence somewhere, I would ask myself why. Is there a heathen idol, a fetish used in heathen worship, etc. (Deuteronomy 32:16-17; Psalm 106:37-38; 1 Corinthians 10:19-21)? Or, perhaps there someone who has allowed themselves to become possessed by a demon or has allowed demonic involvement in their life by some repeated, serious sin (Ephesians 4:27). Any occult items in one’s possession should be burned as Paul and the other Christians treated the books that were burned in Acts 19:18 and any known sins should be confessed to God (1 John 1:9).

Again, I believe it is biblical to believe in demons and that what people believe to be hauntings are either the mere illusions of charlatans or involve actual demonic activity, the visiting by human spirits. I also believe that the use of channeling and seeking the guide of “spirit guides” or “spirit helpers” or to play with Ouija boards, tarot cards, séances, or to listen to Satanic heavy rock music, etc. is to actually invite the involvement of demons in one’s life. I also believe it is biblical to not become obsessed with them and with the spirit world. Nowhere in Scripture can you find any precedence for doing so. Rather we are to be consumed the word of God (Psalm 119), with knowing Christ (Philippians 3:8-10), serving Him as living sacrifices (Romans 12:1-2), and seeking to make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:18-20, etc.). The only freedom that the lost can have from sin and the devil is through that found in Christ alone (John 8:32-36; Romans 6:16-23; Ephesians 2:1-10). It is His gospel that we need to concentrate on sharing with others. That gospel is the power of God for deliverance from sin and Satan (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 1:18).
 
I say don't fall (believe) any of this tv junk. Listen, GOD gave us the Bible. What more could we ask? Where can we find more wisdom and search the heart of GOD through understanding than the Bible, GOD's love letter to us?

There is a fork at the road of life. On one side is a man who appears well kept, healthy and smiling. On the other is a man who appears ragged, practically dead and unhealthy. Which will you ask for directions in this path to joyful life? Conclusion: someone is not *in* the Word of GOD, they are not worthy to listen to. My point is, are these tv show creators in the Word of GOD, or just "hollywood"?

Don't let thrash enter your mind. Only the Word.

God bless
 
Chad, whilst that is a commendable course of action, it is to me a foolish one. Here is why I believe to to be so.
1)As the scriptures below indicate, CHrist spoke very clearly of us being in the world. THat means we live, eat and breath just like everyone else. I unfortunately cannot remember where the particular scripture is at the moment that speaks of us being in the world, but not of it. I believe that so long as the faith of the person is strong enough, they should watch what God leads them to watch. THat includes programs like that. The aim should not be to believe what is watched, but to go to the word afterwards and see what the word has to say about it. If you can't find it there, ask other christians and so build your faith. Also, if we so isolate ourselves from the things of this world, of what earthly good are we in terms of our witness. Remember the wedding at Cana, water turned into wine. There are a few other times where Christ and alcohol are mentioned in the same context. Clearly Christ was not afraid of the world, nor of the things of this world. Even less so of the ruler of this world. Why should we be?

Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.


Joh 16:33 I have spoken these things to you so that you might have peace in Me. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world.


Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God.


Just my thoughts on the matter.
TheAJKMan
 
Chad, whilst that is a commendable course of action, it is to me a foolish one. Here is why I believe to to be so.
1)As the scriptures below indicate, CHrist spoke very clearly of us being in the world. THat means we live, eat and breath just like everyone else. I unfortunately cannot remember where the particular scripture is at the moment that speaks of us being in the world, but not of it. I believe that so long as the faith of the person is strong enough, they should watch what God leads them to watch. THat includes programs like that. The aim should not be to believe what is watched, but to go to the word afterwards and see what the word has to say about it. If you can't find it there, ask other christians and so build your faith. Also, if we so isolate ourselves from the things of this world, of what earthly good are we in terms of our witness. Remember the wedding at Cana, water turned into wine. There are a few other times where Christ and alcohol are mentioned in the same context. Clearly Christ was not afraid of the world, nor of the things of this world. Even less so of the ruler of this world. Why should we be?

Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.


Joh 16:33 I have spoken these things to you so that you might have peace in Me. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world.


Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God.


Just my thoughts on the matter.
TheAJKMan



So you think its foolish to not believe tv programs but put the Word of GOD above all things first as I stated? Since when was this topic having anything to do with GOD leading them to watch these programs? The question is about ghosts, let's keep it about that. We can start another thread about what to watch and not to watch.

Why care to watch a program THEN go see what the Word has to say about it? Does the Word need anyone to watch a tv program? If you have the Word already, you'll know if the program your watching is legit or not, same for the network that plays it, same for the producers that make, so forth. If you have the Word, you have all you need to understand the heart of GOD and His grace in Jesus Christ. Let the Holy Spirit do the rest. Remember that confusion comes from the devil only. He'll use any medium he can to hurt unbelievers and believers alike.

What does isolating ourselves from the world have anything to do with the original thread starter's question about the tv show he saw about ghosts? Please, explain. You seem to be jumping all over the place and not sure what your trying to get at.
 
Re: What are ghosts?

Technology has brought the film industry to such a level that computers can be used to generate images that appear to the untrained eye to be the real thing. Add to that skilled narrators who "sell" stories or plot lines with their voices and you see that people can be duped into believing whatever the film maker wants them to believe and "see" whatever the film maker wants them to see.

We need to be cautious about what we expose ourselves to in the movies and on television.

"Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." (1 Pet 5:8)


SLE
 
Hello Dear,

It is nice question. I think you have watch that serial in Discovery Chanel because last nigh I also watch the same programmer in Discovery chanel, actualy I also want to say that I am also Confuse seeing that program in that they have sho some thing like this they are taking the Phote of hose in that one Phote the Ghost phote is their. But how can it possible that how can any one see that Ghost.

If you find that answer please forword to me.

Anthony:love:
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hi everyone haven’t posted in a while so thought I’d drop in.


I flicked over a channel a while ago quite late at night, the show was something like the worlds most haunted places I cant remember the exact name, and after watching for a bit there was what appeared to be most definitely ghostly images of such from another time space, dimension so to speak in pictures and films that were taken and then later analysed.

what got me was, when we die our bodies become no more, and our souls go straight to God, what happens after the meeting with God I obviously don’t know but what else of a human being is there apart from body and soul?? nothing! so if your soul is with God, and your body is decomposed or has been burnt whatever then what are these so called 'ghosts' the world seemed to be obsessed about??? that’s really annoying me! are they demons? demons aren’t of this world and cannot be seen by a human eye, nor a human camera! so it couldn’t be demons could it? I don’t know, please answer. intriguing......


thank you! God bless
 
Anthony, your job is to read all responses in a thread before replying, read it and your questions will be answered, you ask questions which Chad, myself and SpritiLedEd gave an answer to.
 
Hello Sir,

I applozie for that. Yes I will keep it in my mind.

Anthony:love:

Anthony, your job is to read all responses in a thread before replying, read it and your questions will be answered, you ask questions which Chad, myself and SpritiLedEd gave an answer to.
 
So you think its foolish to not believe tv programs but put the Word of GOD above all things first as I stated?

Chad, I wasn't at all saying that the word of GOd comes after TV. WHat I was trying to say was that as we are in the world and cannot seperate ourselves from it. As you post seemed to suggest, at least to me. My response was that let us use the things of the world as a tool to reach out to the unsaved. If we have some sort of common ground, it shows that we are interested in the same things as they are and can perhaps reach a few more folk for the kingdom.

I'm sorry that you took offense at my post, it was not my intent.

TheAJKMan
 
Yes, we are in the world, but we are not of it. So, the bible also says, "we are peculiar people." It may seem peculiar to some to not want to see every t.v. program or movie at the theatre. But I believe God expects us to keep from exposing our minds to some of this trash. It's lies. Why open your mind to lies when you've already found the Truth?

"You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough. I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view.

"The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be." Galations 5:7-10
 
Amen to that Dreamer! Perfectly said. We are not of this world, but we are to preach to the lost. We do not need anything less than the Truth we've already found in Jesus Christ, the Living Word of GOD
 
Some are so blinded by the lies of Satan that they cannot tell the difference between the Truth and the lies. Satan is a liar and the father of lies (John 8:44). It is the devils desire to stop people from hearing what the Truth is, because he likes it when people are under his captivity. Satan knows that the Truth shall set these people free (John 8:32). Everyone who does not hear what God has to tell them belongs to Satan (John 8:47).

We have all been tricked by Satan and freed by Jesus. It's our duty to share the Light of the World (John 8:12) with our friends and expose them to the Truth by praying and sharing with them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. When the Word abides in us, we reflect our God's Light(Matthew 5:14). Share the Light so that darkness does not prevail!

TV can lie but God cannot!
 
I think people have taken what I said a tiny bit the wrong way. People started talking about the truth, and satans lies and all sorts of things. I think perhaps people thought I am or was somewhat interested in this sort of demonic activity through the TV just because my name is infact GHooooST. My nickname is GHooooST and has been for the last 4 or so years now given by school friends simply because I dont have a very good tan :) I dont believe in ghosts, I am NOT interested in that kind of rubbish, like Chad talks about I hardly ever watch TV apart from music channels because its just full of [edited by teraside: bad language] (and Im not into metal or that stuff) and I dont ever want to get involved in satans web of destruction so to speak either. I was just a bit foggie on the subject thats all, its been explained clearly and simply and the answer I was looking for was the media - which someone already mentioned.

Im sorry for the confusion I really didnt intend any mess, two people even had a little disagreement because of this subject so Im sorry for that aswell. :) People have nothing to worry about Im not going to get involved in satans activities, rituals and all that nonsense, believe me! Sorry again for the mess, I hope nobody takes any offense in this post, for I intend none.

Thanks everyone! To avoid confusion people can call me Jordan, my real name obviously if you prefer from now on. Be seeing ya. Love you people.

God bless. PS sorry for swearing, I didnt know the word I mentioned would be considered a swear word. Forgive me please.
 
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Jordan, I watch TV and I do believe in the existense of evil spirits. Probably thats one explanation of the ghosts on TV. :D So some of them could be true and some of them could be false.

Oh and btw, sorry if I went off topic.
 
Let's not forget something people....business is business and hollywood is about money (along with fame). Point being is that they will create any show to make money, its simple as that. They don't care to teach, preach, tell the truth. They [networks] just want to make money.
 
there really is no Biblical support for the existence of ghosts, if we define a ghost as being a departed human soul who is still hanging around on the earth in a specified physical location.

Of course, this should not stop people from believing in ghosts. However, for those who use the Bible as their sole authority for spiritual matters, then if the existence of ghost-like entities can be proven through some means, then the only explanation available is that they are demon spirits who are trying to deceive us. The Bible does support the existence of demons.

For those Christians who are not so "Biblically grounded," might tend not to believe in such manifestations as ghosts.

These lying spirits make people believe th are the spiritual essence of the departed.

When a person dies, their spirit goes to one of two places: Heaven or Hell. If the person has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they're going to Heaven. If they've refused Him, they go to Hell. I don't recall the Bible ever mentioning that a person's spirit could be locked in a state of limbo.

by the way, Satan and the rest of the fallen angels and demons hate God and they hate human beings because we were created in God's image. Therefore, they attack us in every conceivable way. Because they hate us, they want to destroy us. By posing as a dearly departed loved one, a fallen angels and demons can lure a person into a false sense of security. Once that person feels completely unthreatened, they will make there move.

Those who claim to talk to the dead, and the spirits who lie to them, lead people away from the Lord, and not to Him.
 
wow this is very intersting. I am kinda stuck in the middle on this one. I do not believe they are demons. But i dont know exactly what they are. I personally believe there is something out there. I myself have had experiences with the supernatural but i am not the one to say they are ghosts. :magnify:
 
Technology has brought the film industry to such a level that computers can be used to generate images that appear to the untrained eye to be the real thing. Add to that skilled narrators who "sell" stories or plot lines with their voices and you see that people can be duped into believing whatever the film maker wants them to believe and "see" whatever the film maker wants them to see.
That's true. There's a reason that ghost hunter show comes on the Science Fiction channel.
 
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