Nephillim

[Twistie]

Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it to the praise of his glory.

The above scripture is one of many establishing Ruah, the Holy Spirit, indwells the Saved Person. He is received at salvation and Yehovah Jirah and Yashuah, the other two persons of the God Head, speak to us through Him. Anyone not filled at salvation is not saved. Through Him we receive all purpose ad direction.

I know that.. i dont get people like you n that are like you..i find your kind fills my heart with sorrow..many of your type claims to study claims to know n yet dont even understand the basic concept that there is One Teacher..
May i ask do you preach at a synagogue? May i ask do you request or accept payment for repeating the Word of God??.
May i ask do you think you are above others because of a piece of paper man gave you?.
May I ask have you ever heard the Lord? May i ask has Ye shown you where you branch off Him?.May i ask can ya tell the difference between the demons voices and The Lords?
You haven't answered one question alls ya want do is tell people what you think they should do and speak at people no interest other then that..

Many have forgotten the bond of brotherhood n the curse is upon this Land for that among many other curses..

I hope one day you find who you are in the Lord..that you realize all of the Lord children are family are brothers and sisters not one is above another..

Perhaps your life led you to trust man over the Lord idk my life showed me how evil man is and can be how they tried to Hide the Truth and call that Love..

You follow mans ways..Imma keep following the Lord..

If ya cant answer the questions I have asked you over n over then im pretty much done here cause you just want to exhalt yourself n i have not the time to entertain that im too busy Worshipping the Lord..


Hope alls well

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[joestue]

All angels and all humans had and have opportunity to choose to be good or evil. God would therefore be partial to Nephilim. God is not partial Rom 2:11.

i'm not sure that word partial means what you think it means.

but in any case, the supposed angelic-human hybrids allegedly called nephilim. yes its possible some of them did not sin.

It would be as unlikely as humans born on earth not sinning in my opinion, which is something supposedly only Jesus was able to accomplish. Its worth noting that even if a man can go a whole lifetime without sin, there seems to be things Jesus did far in excess of that; meaning it doesnt matter if anyone did or not. Adams progeny still needed a redeemer.

That said, you can doubt I enoch, the others, and other oral tradition going back 2500 years, and that is fair enough: it does seem to be plainly obvious God has not sent a prophet to clear up the human origin story, much less the demonic origin story.

So, i can only defer to people with more experience than i do, and i find on a long enough timeline it seems God answers my curiosities

Which include the possibility that demons are human-nephilim third generation creatures. And they are still being created, with consent of the humans involved.

 

[KingJ]

i'm not sure that word partial means what you think it means.

I discuss a lot recently with Calvinists and am really tired of being told that I do not know what partial means. Why don't you tell me what you think it means?

It is a pretty easy to understand and self explanatory word.

• Partial: Implies bias, favoritism, or incompleteness. If a judge is "partial to" a defendant, they favor them. It also simply means "in part" or not whole (e.g., a "partial eclipse"). [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Impartial: Represents the exact opposite. It means being neutral, objective, and unprejudiced. A truly impartial decision is made based purely on facts rather than personal feelings. [1, 2, 3]

but in any case, the supposed angelic-human hybrids allegedly called nephilim. yes its possible some of them did not sin.

It would be as unlikely as humans born on earth not sinning in my opinion, which is something supposedly only Jesus was able to accomplish. Its worth noting that even if a man can go a whole lifetime without sin, there seems to be things Jesus did far in excess of that; meaning it doesnt matter if anyone did or not. Adams progeny still needed a redeemer.

A good God needs to give true free will to highly intelligent creations, or else He is not good. And God is good Psalm 136:1 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

God showed zero partiality to humans over angels. Angels were different creations to humans. Humans were given a weak flesh. Angels were not. It is a weak flesh that sinned / that sins easily. It is not sins that send someone to hell. It is being sold out to sin that does. This speaks to the same level of rebellion a fallen angel would have.

God's impartiality is a very important discussion. It is a Christians one job to properly represent God to the lost and if He is presented as both partial and the Creator of all, it would make Him monstrously evil. IE We cannot fail harder at our 'one' job.

Now with that in mind, Nephilim would have to be 100% in the same camp as humans or 100% in the same camp as angels.

Humans in a weak flesh needed a Savior, angels did not. Nephilim can only be either angels, humans or a created body that fallen angels made. No other option exists.

That said, you can doubt I enoch, the others, and other oral tradition going back 2500 years, and that is fair enough: it does seem to be plainly obvious God has not sent a prophet to clear up the human origin story, much less the demonic origin story.

So, i can only defer to people with more experience than i do, and i find on a long enough timeline it seems God answers my curiosities

Which include the possibility that demons are human-nephilim third generation creatures. And they are still being created, with consent of the humans involved.

A lot of speculation. Far too much. I am all for demons creating many things. I believe there were Nephilim and that Enoch simply failed to properly explain key facts on them.

What is not unknown or blurry, is the fact that there are seventeen verses from respected prophets that knew God better than you or I, clearly stating that He is impartial.

 

[joestue]

It is a pretty easy to understand and self explanatory word.

• Partial: Implies bias, favoritism, or incompleteness. If a judge is "partial to" a defendant, they favor them. It also simply means "in part" or not whole (e.g., a "partial eclipse"). [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Impartial: Represents the exact opposite. It means being neutral, objective, and unprejudiced. A truly impartial decision is made based purely on facts rather than personal feelings. [1, 2, 3]

the problem is your definition here has nothing to do with your argument here:

The Holy Spirit will help us better understand scripture that appears to incriminate and misrepresent God. There is a space where a belief in Nephilim can. Namely: If God allowed fallen angels to procreate with mankind, and that offspring would only but be evil, then God would be appear to be evil. All angels and all humans had and have opportunity to choose to be good or evil. God would therefore be partial to Nephilim. God is not partial Rom 2:11. Therefore it is impossible for Nephilim to exist as being offspring of demons and humans.

its not only possible.. its possibly what happened.

fallen human creations create fallen human creations to the tune of 100,000 per day...

I believe there were Nephilim and that Enoch simply failed to properly explain key facts on them.

and you say i'm speculating?

I was not speculating when i said its plainly obvious God has not sent a prophet to clear up our own origin story, much less the demonic one, and so its fair enough in my opinion to reject almost everything ever written about the demonic. but if you do that, then why even speak about it?

 

[joestue]

God showed zero partiality to humans over angels. Angels were different creations to humans. Humans were given a weak flesh. Angels were not. It is a weak flesh that sinned / that sins easily. It is not sins that send someone to hell. It is being sold out to sin that does. This speaks to the same level of rebellion a fallen angel would have.

your idea here that sin is not what condemns a person, but a whole hearted conversion to be "sold out to sin" is a lie.

 

[joestue]

Now with that in mind, Nephilim would have to be 100% in the same camp as humans or 100% in the same camp as angels.

also entirely speculation.

God will let humans create human-animal hybrids.
we've probably already done it.

we have 200,000 human brain cells in petri dishes playing doom.

 

[KingJ]

the problem is your definition here has nothing to do with your argument here:

If God gives humans and angels true free will, He is impartial to humans and angels.

Now if He does not give Nephilim true free will, He is partial. Enoch does not mention 'God-fearing Nephilim' or 'Nephilim saints'. You would need that to establish impartiality.

I would think that be obvious from what I typed. It is kind of a duh fact....

 

[KingJ]

your idea here that sin is not what condemns a person, but a whole hearted conversion to be "sold out to sin" is a lie.

Why do you say that? Can you support that line?

Here is support for my claim:

God does not hand people over to judgment or to Satan lightly, but after persistent, willful rejection of truth and a settled love for evil, there is a consistent biblical pattern. Genesis 15:16 establishes the principle.

1. Genesis 15:16 – The Amorites were not yet "full"​

"And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."

This is one of the clearest examples. God delayed judgment for about 400 years because the Amorites had not yet reached the point where their wickedness was complete. Judgment came only after persistent rebellion.

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2. Romans 1:24–28 – "God gave them over"​

"Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts..."

"For this reason God gave them over..."

"And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind..."

Notice the progression:

• They knew God (vv.18–21)
• Rejected Him
• Exchanged truth for lies
• Loved sin
• Therefore God gave them over.

God's handing over follows persistent rejection.

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3. 2 Thessalonians 2:10–12 – They loved unrighteousness​

"...they perish because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.

For this reason God sends them a strong delusion..."

This passage is extremely close to what you're describing.


The reason?

• They refused to love truth.
• They delighted in wickedness.
• Then God judicially hardened them.

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4. Proverbs 1:24–31 – They refused every warning​

"Because I called and you refused...

They hated knowledge...

Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way."

God repeatedly calls.


Only after continual refusal does He give them over to the consequences of their choices.

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5. Hebrews 3:12–15​

"...lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin."

Sin hardens the heart over time.


The warning assumes a progressive process—not one isolated act.

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6. Hebrews 10:26–31​

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth..."

The key phrase is "go on sinning deliberately."


This is persistent, willful rebellion after knowing the truth.

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7. 1 Timothy 4:1–2​

"...having their own conscience seared with a hot iron."

A seared conscience develops over time.


People eventually become insensitive to evil because they repeatedly choose it.

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8. Ephesians 4:17–19​

"...being darkened in their understanding...

they became callous and gave themselves over to sensuality..."

Notice:

• Hardened heart
• Ignorance
• Callousness
• They gave themselves over first.

Then God confirms them in that condition.

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9. John 12:37–40​

"Though He had performed so many signs before them, yet they were not believing...

He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart..."

Only after continual rejection of overwhelming evidence does judicial hardening occur.

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10. 1 Corinthians 5:5​

"Deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved..."

This is different from eternal condemnation.


Here, a persistently unrepentant believer is handed over to Satan for severe discipline, after refusing repeated correction by the church.

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Other important supporting passages​

• Exodus 7–14 – Pharaoh repeatedly hardened his own heart before God is said to harden it.
• 2 Chronicles 36:15–16 – God sent prophet after prophet, but "they continually mocked... until there was no remedy."
• Jeremiah 7:13–16 – "I spoke to you again and again, but you did not listen."
• Hosea 4:17 – "Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone."
• Acts 7:51 – "You always resist the Holy Spirit."

The biblical pattern​

Across Scripture, the sequence is remarkably consistent:

1. God reveals truth.
2. He patiently warns again and again.
3. People repeatedly reject Him.
4. Their hearts become hardened through sin.
5. They come to love evil rather than truth.
6. God then gives them over to the consequences of their chosen path or, in some cases, to Satan's activity as an act of judgment or discipline.

 

[KingJ]

also entirely speculation.

God will let humans create human-animal hybrids.
we've probably already done it.

we have 200,000 human brain cells in petri dishes playing doom.

Man, I just can't follow your reasoning.

""No, angels who are smarter than us cannot create bodies to possess, only humans can, and we are so smart that we can mix animal and human dna''.

 

[KingJ]

@joestue

Please can you ask AI to help you with your posts. Copy and paste my post into AI, tell AI what you believe and then ask it to A. fact check me and find where the gaps are in my logic and then if there are, to B. help you type a sound rebuttal.

At the moment you are typing replies that don't seem to make much sense.

 

[joestue]

""No, angels who are smarter than us cannot create bodies to possess, only humans can, and we are so smart that we can mix animal and human dna''.

i've had enough of your mocking.

 

[joestue]

If God gives humans and angels true free will, He is impartial to humans and angels.

Now if He does not give Nephilim true free will, He is partial. Enoch does not mention 'God-fearing Nephilim' or 'Nephilim saints'. You would need that to establish impartiality.

I would think that be obvious from what I typed. It is kind of a duh fact....

If god fearing nephilim existed, we would have no need to hear of their existence. so we don't know if they exist(ed) or not.

Secondly, your free will argument is a distraction, every creation God has made has free will, which is why we are to be careful not to tempt angels.