Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[Brightfame52]

The Book of Hebrews
For if we sin wilfully
after that we have received
the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment
and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

In your like minded faith,
what have you been taught,
concerning this scripture,
about you and the rest of your brethren,
the sinners before God?

Please,
we surely would like to know,
what you ,
have to say,
about it.

I will if you comment on two of my previous posts, thoroughly ! post 601 and 612

 

[EyPtD]

I will if you comment on two of my previous posts, thoroughly ! post 601 and 612

Why do we have to comment on anything for you to
testify to us what you believe about the word of God
when presented to you?

Please tell us,
what is your motive for asking
this of us?

 

[EyPtD]

I will if you comment on two of my previous posts, thoroughly ! post 601 and 612

Here is our comment to you,
thoroughly, on all your previous post,
before the living God,
concerning your request in reply,
to our question to you concerning
your faith and obedience to what is written
in your bible.

1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:
and be ready always to give an answer to every man
that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you
with meekness and fear:

 

[KingJ]

Justification by Christ Alone

But, you will say; the apostle Paul saith (Romans 5:1,) “That being justified by faith, we have peace with God;” and since the Holy Ghost saith, “we are justified by faith,” we must not dispute against it. I will answer in brief, and desire one thing of you, and that is to consult Beza upon this place; he renders the words out of the original, “Being justified by faith we have, peace with God,” without any stop from the first to the last. Our translators render the words thus, “Being justified by faith,” and then put a comma; but as Beza renders them (who is accounted a most sincere renderer of the original) he makes no stop: and, if that be true, why may not they be as well rendered thus; “Being justified, by faith we have peace with God?” And so ascribe justification to Christ, as a thing done before, let faith have reference to our peace; being justified by Christ, by faith we come to have peace with God, which stands current with the analogy of faith, and truth of the gospel: “For it is God that justifieth,” Romans 8:34. Justification is truly and properly the work of God himself, and cannot be the work of faith. But, Secondly, suppose the words to run as they are commonly rendered; I answer, then are we to distinguish in faith two things; there is the act of believing, and the object on which we believe; and so the words may be understood thus, “Being justified” by the righteousness of faith, or by the righteousness of Christ which we believe, “we have peace with God;” and so ascribe our justification to the object of our believing, the righteousness of Christ, and not to the act of believing. The truth is, beloved, the act of believing is a work, and as much ours, as our fear, prayer, and love are; and the apostle should contradict himself when he saith, “We are saved by grace, through faith, not of works,” if he mean the act of faith; he might as well have said, we are not justified by works, but we are justified by them. Tobias Crisp {Christ Alone Exalted} 36

This is another theological argument, not a biblical one.

Romans 5:1 in the Greek naturally reads, "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God." The phrase "by faith" modifies "having been justified," not "we have peace."

More importantly, Paul repeatedly teaches the same truth elsewhere:

• Romans 3:28 – "A man is justified by faith."
• Galatians 2:16 – "A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."
• Acts 13:39 – "By him all that believe are justified."

So this is not a punctuation issue or a Beza issue. It is Paul's consistent doctrine.

No one is saying faith merits justification. Christ alone is the ground of our justification. Faith is simply the God-ordained means by which we receive it.

 

[KingJ]

Im a calvinist duh, so I quote them of likeminded faith.. You should pay attention to the scriptures and the sense put upon them by these God taught men !

Calvinism is governing your reading of Scripture rather than Scripture governing your theology.

Every time a passage doesn't explicitly teach your conclusions, you appeal to an inference, a commentator, or a theological system.

A Christian's loyalty must be to Scripture above Calvin, Gill, Crisp, or any other man.

If the plain reading of Scripture repeatedly challenges your theology, then it is time to let your theology be corrected by Scripture, not to keep forcing Scripture to fit your theology.

 

[Brightfame52]

We are justified by the obedience and sufferings of Christ, and consequently not by faith. The Apostle expressly asserts that we are justified by His blood; "Much more then being justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him" (Rom. 5:9): and also, that we are made righteous by His obedience; "As by the offense of one many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" (Rom. 5:19): therefore not by faith. John Gill

When he says " not by faith" he means faith is never the cause of ones justification before God. 36

 

[Brightfame52]

Why do we have to comment on anything for you to
testify to us what you believe about the word of God
when presented to you?

Please tell us,
what is your motive for asking
this of us?

Why do i have to answer your questions ? Im working on explaining my views on Justification. So when you sped time on my work, I will spend time on yours.

 

[Brightfame52]

This is another theological argument, not a biblical one.

Yes it is biblical.

 

[Brightfame52]

Calvinism is governing your reading of Scripture rather than Scripture governing your theology.

Every time a passage doesn't explicitly teach your conclusions, you appeal to an inference, a commentator, or a theological system.

A Christian's loyalty must be to Scripture above Calvin, Gill, Crisp, or any other man.

If the plain reading of Scripture repeatedly challenges your theology, then it is time to let your theology be corrected by Scripture, not to keep forcing Scripture to fit your theology.

You rejecting scripture truth, testified to you by more than me , just one witness.

 

[EyPtD]

Why do i have to answer your questions ? Im working on explaining my views on Justification. So when you sped time on my work, I will spend time on yours.

What we said to you,
about what you stated as the truth.
We said to the living God about you.
His reply to us was to ask you
the question that we put forth to you.

That is why,
it would be, in your own best interest,
to answer the question.

Or maybe not,
The more one lies to God
the more worse the punishment.

 

[EyPtD]

I will if you comment on two of my previous posts, thoroughly ! post 601 and 612

We did already comment on them.
We commented on them to
the living God.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.