Do the Protesters even know what they are Protesting ( Minneapolis).

[Twistie]

@Rad what makes you think I would sit n sup on your wicked words?.you have no moral grounds not a Lick of the righteous of Christ dwelling in you..your like a wave in the ocean crashing back in forth your a weak evil wicked person @Rad your words reveal what you are
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[Christ4Ever]

This comment that you made stood out to me like a sore thumb! Are you saying at the end, that it was okay that the European settlers came over to the Americas like they did? Agreeing with that are we?

Its hard to put yourself in the position of the original settlers hundreds of years ago brother Nick, do i understand their desire to escape religious persecution and found a new life for themselves, yes i surely do, but do i agree with the subsequent actions of others who came later and participated in the genocide of the Indigenous American Indian Indians to steal their land and resources, no , for how could that be "Loving your Neighbour as yourself" and "treating others as you'd like to be treated", as well as breaking the commandments on Murder and theft, but that is the history of most nations. The British Empire, which i believe was the biggest Empire the world has ever seen, built its power and wealth on Theft, Murder, Genocide, Oppression, Exploitation and Slavery, and in many cases did it with the Blessing of the Church and through their teachings, supposedly God himself. We are indeed a wretched and Sinful creation, and i often wonder why God has not just washed his hands of us many years ago and started again, his love is indeed great and his Mercy and grace last forever but his Judgement is just and also everlasting, and we need to remember that in all we say and do.

Sad to have to read your words brother Steve. For if one is truly to follow the Words of Christ, which you have stated the reasoning for doing so more than once, you would have had to do in this instance as you have previously shown you are doing now in this time and age. Which is irrespective of what is transpiring it isn't the results of said actions that move you to act but following the commands of Jesus.

The only answer you could have given and been true to what you have been stating all along in what you believe in, and that is to agree that it was justified because the results of said actions were not in your hands, but God's. Yours was just to follow the commands of Jesus. You should have answered as you have been doing, but you did not.

It is that inconsistency that is your downfall here in trying to argue that all you are doing is following the commands of Jesus, because I cannot believe it to now be true. If you keep protesting this, it shows you’re in a worse state than others here believed, because you’re not only lying to yourself but also using the teachings of Jesus to push a personal belief upon others as well.

Keep in mind I know why you posed it to our Sister in Christ this question, but you need to be able to answer it as well which has nothing to do with her!

I posed that question because

Irrespective of the reasoning, how you answered it back to me (above) undermines any position you may tell yourself you have for what you do.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Bill]

But as Christians, followers of Christ, we obey his teachings and commandments, we are commanded to "Love our neighbour as ourselves" and "Treat others as we'd want to be treated", regardless of race, religion, sex, or whatever, there is nothing in Christs teachings to imply that when he said "Welcome the Stranger" there was any requirement for that "Stranger" to follow the customs of the country they'd entered. With the coming of Christ there are no "chosen" people, as the Jews were in the OT, Christ says his followers will come from the North, the South, the East and the West to sit down in the Kingdom of Heaven", Luke 13:23-30, they will have different customs depending on where they come from but ALL will acknowledge Christ as their Lord and Saviour and ALL will have built their lives upon the solid rock of Christs teachings and commandments.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

You're right the Jesus did say love your neighbor as yourself. But he also told people who wanted to join with the apostles, go home and bury your father. (Take care of what needs to be done first)( sell all you have) and there were a few others. And then there was the group that had followed Jesus for quite a while up until he blessed the bread and the wine saying this is my body and this is my blood and you must drink and eat of it to enter into eternal life. Like many of today's Protestant churches, those who were with Jesus could not accept that teaching. It isn't that they were bad people had nothing to do with that. It's that they were thinking in the same way that many hear things that it was a literal translation.

After spending weeks with Jesus maybe months, they did not understand the spiritual aspect of what Jesus was saying. To which Jesus responded to his apostles, are you going to leave me too.

Over the years I've gotten to understand that there is more ways to receive the body and the blood of Jesus than just in the wine and the bread. But it shouldn't stop people from still receiving blessed wine and bread. The main excuse is it's too much like the Catholics, when they don't think straight. Because this is something that Jesus has requested in the scripture aside from anything Catholic.

But the other way is that we receive Christ - is in Fellowship, it's in receiving the word, and it is when your heart is open to God.

In this world people are so caught up with the concepts of things being so physical or a literal in Scripture that they completely miss the point.

That you must receive Jesus, it's the bottom line

 

[Twistie]

@Rad

 

[Christ4Ever]

@Rad

lol - got to love them words!!!

God bless Sister! \o/

 

[Twistie]

lol - got to love them words!!!

God bless Sister! \o/

I really dont think most do not understand what times we are in so many talking church like its a building arguing what one can n can not do what one should n should not do so many trying to climb through windows and not being pointed to the door..

What really saddens me is that the Men of God in the USA is staying silent in the midst of this islam trying to take over n turning a blind eye to the fatherless they have broken the bond of brotherhood n dont even wanna try to repair for the most part..to many busy looking at what other men are doing instead of doing what we are called to do..

Guess thats why the Lord tells us Many are called few are chosen..

But it is written the harvest is large n the workers are few

Anywho

Hope all is well!

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[Twistie]

lol - got to love them words!!!

God bless Sister! \o/

Hubby is like your mean im like no i speak Truth and apparently taken a nice meek approach is not what these people respond too imma mess i admit but on a real tip my boys when they talk to me know better then to spit this garbage out..im a stickler on self responsibility..n rules..i can not have chaos around me ya know..im trying to learn to be nice

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[Twistie]

@Rad can you see how blind you are yet?

 

[Rad]

@Rad what makes you think I would sit n sup on your wicked words?.you have no moral grounds not a Lick of the righteous of Christ dwelling in you..your like a wave in the ocean crashing back in forth your a weak evil wicked person @Rad your words reveal what you are
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Well then dont "sit n sup on my wicked words", for i know you would find that unpalatable, but sit n sup[ on the words of Christ, eat and drink of his truth and his teachings, and tell me where he says we must prioritise our own above others and turn "Strangers " away because of the Evil they may do, for ive shown you that in fact Christ says exactly the opposite in Matthew 5:44-48, Matthew 25 :31-46, Matthew 22:39, and Luke 6 :31-36, so which of us " have no moral grounds not a Lick of the righteous of Christ dwelling in you..your like a wave in the ocean crashing back in forth your a weak evil wicked person, your words reveal what you are ",.... for if we dont build our lives upon the solid rock of Christs teachings and commandments and follow our own prejudices and beliefs then we are truly lost in the shifting sands of our own foolishness.

 

[Rad]

Sad to have to read your words brother Steve. For if one is truly to follow the Words of Christ, which you have stated the reasoning for doing so more than once, you would have had to do in this instance as you have previously shown you are doing now in this time and age. Which is irrespective of what is transpiring it isn't the results of said actions that move you to act but following the commands of Jesus.

I feel you have misunderstood my reply Brother Nick, my position is, based on my understanding of Christs teachings, that i agreed with the actions of the settlers in escaping persecution and looking for a new place to live, but i disagreed with the subsequent actions of later settlers who murdered, enslaved, oppressed and stole the land of the indigenous population, how is this inconsistent or at odds with Christs teaching. Or are you saying that if i agree with the settlers right to escape persecution then i must also agree with everything they do after that as well. The stranger should be welcomed, the neighbour loved, others treated how we would want to be treated in their place, but it is wrong to murder, wrong to steal, and wrong to oppress and exploit, where is the inconsistency in that?.

The only answer you could have given and been true to what you have been stating all along in what you believe in, and that is to agree that it was justified because the results of said actions were not in your hands, but God's. Yours was just to follow the commands of Jesus. You should have answered as you have been doing, but you did not.

Although the results of said actions were not in my hands, although i would still feel some guilt at having supported their immigration when they turned to murder and theft, my duty as a follower of Christ is to abide by his commandments and teachings, which is what ive tried to do here. Let me illustrate again an example from my own life, it might help you understand my position better, when faced with the scenes of mass starvation and suffering in the Ethiopian famine of 1984, i , together with many others gave money to help those suffering famine and destitution, we "Fed the Hungry, clothed the naked, housed the homeless.........", as Christ commanded in Matthew 25 :31-46, owing to our actions many survived who would have died, amongst them, many Orphans, i remember seeing a film about how there were so many the authorities couldnt cope and were having to rely on donations from abroad, now i would imagine when they became of age a fair number would have joined the military, having no family of their own the Army would have been a place of security and comradeship, an understandable choice for those that had nothing. Now in 2007, 23 years after the famine in Ethiopia, Ethiopia invaded Somalia, an ancient adversary and often bitter enemy, the Ethiopian forces committed horrendous war crimes and atrocities, the orphans of 1984 were probably still in their ranks, in their mid to late 20's, and probably also committed these evil acts. So was i wrong to have helped feed the orphans of 1984 because in the future they might go on to commit evil?, because i did feed them am i responsible for their actions?, and consequently can i not condemn what they did because i once helped them?, ......... i followed Christs commandment to help those in need, yes i do feel guilty for what subsequently took place and condemn what they probably did, but given the same circumstances would act in exactly the same way,....... how would act in the same situation Brother Nick because i'd be very interested to know.?

It is that inconsistency that is your downfall here in trying to argue that all you are doing is following the commands of Jesus, because I cannot believe it to now be true. If you keep protesting this, it shows you’re in a worse state than others here believed, because you’re not only lying to yourself but also using the teachings of Jesus to push a personal belief upon others as well.

You say i'm acting "inconsistently", but how is that so when ive told you the Basis on why i acted and said what i did, referenced by Christs words and teachings?. And how is trying to follow the teachings of Christ "lying to myself"?, and i'm not trying to "push my personal beliefs on others as well", alls i'm trying to do is get a better understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ in an Evil and Suffering world. I have never claimed to have the "Truth", i have never claimed that others are "Evil" or "possessed" "walking in darkness or " in a worse state than others here believe", because i disagree with what they say. Alls i have are my Faith and my belief in what it means to be a follower of Christ, i state my views honestly no matter what others may think and refrain from returning vitriol when attacked, because for me, Christs commandment to "turn the other cheek" is not just in response to physical attacks but verbal and emotional ones as well.

Irrespective of the reasoning, how you answered it back to me (above) undermines any position you may tell yourself you have for what you do.

Thats a shame Brother Nick, for even if i strongly disagree with someones position and believe them to be so wrong in their understanding i still take the time to try to understand what theyre saying, for just because i believe someone is so wrong on one issue doesnt make EVERYTHING they say meaningless too.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Rad]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

You're right the Jesus did say love your neighbor as yourself. But he also told people who wanted to join with the apostles, go home and bury your father. (Take care of what needs to be done first)( sell all you have) and there were a few others. And then there was the group that had followed Jesus for quite a while up until he blessed the bread and the wine saying this is my body and this is my blood and you must drink and eat of it to enter into eternal life. Like many of today's Protestant churches, those who were with Jesus could not accept that teaching. It isn't that they were bad people had nothing to do with that. It's that they were thinking in the same way that many hear things that it was a literal translation.

After spending weeks with Jesus maybe months, they did not understand the spiritual aspect of what Jesus was saying. To which Jesus responded to his apostles, are you going to leave me too.

Over the years I've gotten to understand that there is more ways to receive the body and the blood of Jesus than just in the wine and the bread. But it shouldn't stop people from still receiving blessed wine and bread. The main excuse is it's too much like the Catholics, when they don't think straight. Because this is something that Jesus has requested in the scripture aside from anything Catholic.

But the other way is that we receive Christ - is in Fellowship, it's in receiving the word, and it is when your heart is open to God.

In this world people are so caught up with the concepts of things being so physical or a literal in Scripture that they completely miss the point.

That you must receive Jesus, it's the bottom line

Thanks for that Bill, your comments made me reflect on my own "walk of Faith" with Christ, and that is why i'm here, to listen to others point of view, to reflect on what they say and make my contribution as to what it means to be a follower of Christ in an Evil and Suffering world.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Sad to have to read your words brother Steve. For if one is truly to follow the Words of Christ, which you have stated the reasoning for doing so more than once, you would have had to do in this instance as you have previously shown you are doing now in this time and age. Which is irrespective of what is transpiring it isn't the results of said actions that move you to act but following the commands of Jesus.

I feel you have misunderstood my reply Brother Nick, my position is, based on my understanding of Christs teachings, that i agreed with the actions of the settlers in escaping persecution and looking for a new place to live, but i disagreed with the subsequent actions of later settlers who murdered, enslaved, oppressed and stole the land of the indigenous population, how is this inconsistent or at odds with Christs teaching. Or are you saying that if i agree with the settlers right to escape persecution then i must also agree with everything they do after that as well. The stranger should be welcomed, the neighbour loved, others treated how we would want to be treated in their place, but it is wrong to murder, wrong to steal, and wrong to oppress and exploit, where is the inconsistency in that?.

Not at all. So, are you saying that, in truth, your actions remain unaffected by the outcomes—whether good or evil—when you are following the commands of Jesus besides feeling guilty? If so, I still have issue with you, but not in following the commands of Jesus, but in making the situational point you did to Sister in Christ in the example you used. You come across as quite inconsistent, if one were to compare both what you are doing now, and the historical issue of the past. For if you have angst against the resulting actions of the past, then you should also have it so for your resulting actions of the present. That I believe, needs to be in greater evidence in what you write, as a follower of the commands of Jesus. Otherwise, it has one seeing you as not even considering the negative resulting actions and believing that only the positive results are what occurs from your actions. By your own words, history shows they were not true then, nor are they true now, just as our Sister has stated.

By the by, this just circles around what I have already pointed out to you. Considering the outcomes when one follows the saying, "what’s good for the goose is good for the gander." This is apparently not true, and either you must ignore in its entirety as being irrelevant or a consideration before acting. If the former, then you're using of said historical examples is really disingenuous on your part, because it's irrelevant to why you do what you do except in the initial consideration of how it has benefitted you in your own experiences/desires that moved you to act in the first place.

If you see what I am saying, then you should also, be able to see why Sister @Twistie would consider your actions evil.

The only answer you could have given and been true to what you have been stating all along in what you believe in, and that is to agree that it was justified because the results of said actions were not in your hands, but God's. Yours was just to follow the commands of Jesus. You should have answered as you have been doing, but you did not.

Although the results of said actions were not in my hands, although i would still feel some guilt at having supported their immigration when they turned to murder and theft, my duty as a follower of Christ is to abide by his commandments and teachings, which is what ive tried to do here. Let me illustrate again an example from my own life, it might help you understand my position better, when faced with the scenes of mass starvation and suffering in the Ethiopian famine of 1984, i , together with many others gave money to help those suffering famine and destitution, we "Fed the Hungry, clothed the naked, housed the homeless.........", as Christ commanded in Matthew 25 :31-46, owing to our actions many survived who would have died, amongst them, many Orphans, i remember seeing a film about how there were so many the authorities couldnt cope and were having to rely on donations from abroad, now i would imagine when they became of age a fair number would have joined the military, having no family of their own the Army would have been a place of security and comradeship, an understandable choice for those that had nothing. Now in 2007, 23 years after the famine in Ethiopia, Ethiopia invaded Somalia, an ancient adversary and often bitter enemy, the Ethiopian forces committed horrendous war crimes and atrocities, the orphans of 1984 were probably still in their ranks, in their mid to late 20's, and probably also committed these evil acts. So was i wrong to have helped feed the orphans of 1984 because in the future they might go on to commit evil?, because i did feed them am i responsible for their actions?, and consequently can i not condemn what they did because i once helped them?, ......... i followed Christs commandment to help those in need, yes i do feel guilty for what subsequently took place and condemn what they probably did, but given the same circumstances would act in exactly the same way,....... how would act in the same situation Brother Nick because i'd be very interested to know.?

Why the guilt then? If your actions would remain the same, there should be none, unless you're questioning the very action in the first place as being the correct thing to do. Didn't I tell you that before? Let the guilt go, and when judgment day arises, stand for what you believed was right to do according to the understanding you had at the time.

This is why I added the last line above, that I did. Do not expect anyone else to see your actions as being anything but evil, when the outcome of your resulting actions brings evil upon others.

It is that inconsistency that is your downfall here in trying to argue that all you are doing is following the commands of Jesus, because I cannot believe it to now be true. If you keep protesting this, it shows you’re in a worse state than others here believed, because you’re not only lying to yourself but also using the teachings of Jesus to push a personal belief upon others as well.

You say i'm acting "inconsistently", but how is that so when ive told you the Basis on why i acted and said what i did, referenced by Christs words and teachings?. And how is trying to follow the teachings of Christ "lying to myself"?, and i'm not trying to "push my personal beliefs on others as well", alls i'm trying to do is get a better understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ in an Evil and Suffering world. I have never claimed to have the "Truth", i have never claimed that others are "Evil" or "possessed" "walking in darkness or " in a worse state than others here believe", because i disagree with what they say. Alls i have are my Faith and my belief in what it means to be a follower of Christ, i state my views honestly no matter what others may think and refrain from returning vitriol when attacked, because for me, Christs commandment to "turn the other cheek" is not just in response to physical attacks but verbal and emotional ones as well.

Answered in the first part above.

Irrespective of the reasoning, how you answered it back to me (above) undermines any position you may tell yourself you have for what you do.

Thats a shame Brother Nick, for even if i strongly disagree with someones position and believe them to be so wrong in their understanding i still take the time to try to understand what theyre saying, for just because i believe someone is so wrong on one issue doesnt make EVERYTHING they say meaningless too.

Oh, brother I have tried to see what you have done, in your attempt in following the commands of Jesus. I am not you brother, that is able to ignore or set aside if you will, the negative results of my own actions, and think it's not my reasoning that might be at fault and continue to do it regardless over and over again. And so, my words to you before, that you are standing for what you believe is right for everyone else, but don't expect them or anyone else to see it if evil results from them.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Steve.
Moderator
Nick
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[Twistie]

Well then dont "sit n sup on my wicked words", for i know you would find that unpalatable, but sit n sup[ on the words of Christ, eat and drink of his truth and his teachings, and tell me where he says we must prioritise our own above others and turn "Strangers " away because of the Evil they may do, for ive shown you that in fact Christ says exactly the opposite in Matthew 5:44-48, Matthew 25 :31-46, Matthew 22:39, and Luke 6 :31-36, so which of us " have no moral grounds not a Lick of the righteous of Christ dwelling in you..your like a wave in the ocean crashing back in forth your a weak evil wicked person, your words reveal what you are ",.... for if we dont build our lives upon the solid rock of Christs teachings and commandments and follow our own prejudices and beliefs then we are truly lost in the shifting sands of our own foolishness.

Your wicked ways are leading ya closer n closer with the devil himself you how old and you cant even make a decision thats really sad...
May the Lord rebuke you
. using His Almighty Word as a pass to walk with darkness your one of them dangerous ones one that has no loyalty..been brainwashed by the world and its ways .. imma pray for those around you to be covered with protection from your twisted ways..

 

[Bill]

Your wicked ways are leading ya closer n closer with the devil himself you how old and you cant even make a decision thats really sad...
May the Lord rebuke you
. using His Almighty Word as a pass to walk with darkness your one of them dangerous ones one that has no loyalty..been brainwashed by the world and its ways .. imma pray for those around you to be covered with protection from your twisted ways..

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Patience, if we feel that Mr Rad is off the Beaten Track, then we should pray for him. But we should pray for others anyways to always be walking in the Lord. OR always asking God to show us the way in the path to the Father in heaven.

 

[Bill]

Thanks for that Bill, your comments made me reflect on my own "walk of Faith" with Christ, and that is why i'm here, to listen to others point of view, to reflect on what they say and make my contribution as to what it means to be a follower of Christ in an Evil and Suffering world.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

""Thats a shame Brother Nick, for even if i strongly disagree with someones position and believe them to be so wrong in their understanding i still take the time to try to understand what theyre saying, for just because i believe someone is so wrong on one issue doesnt make EVERYTHING they say meaningless too.""

I think this is really important for all of us. And whether we agree or not agree with Mr Rad, I have to attest I did like reading us from him.

I think it's important for anyone, who's trying to argue a point that others who are reading take a moment to read all of what is read.

 

[Twistie]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Patience, if we feel that Mr Rad is off the Beaten Track, then we should pray for him. But we should pray for others anyways to always be walking in the Lord. OR always asking God to show us the way in the path to the Father in heaven.

Oh bill if your not willing to warn the wicked your as guilty.. silence is a major part of what is happening..Lord getting ready @Bill he been warned plenty not just by me all rights he should be exiled he is a fox bill n he will eat the the baby grapes on the vine dont be deceived..

All these tales that been stealing in the Name of the Lord in all these temples(churches) leaders getting ready to have the rug pulled from them.

Lord told me Its a glorious time to be Alive i been waiting for this for quite some time .

This is war is not of flesh..and the curse that has been casted has many under it..

I know what that brad is i know exactly what it is it is evil and it's twists the Word of God and uses Him for His evil ways . His words show what his spirit is bill n he a dangerous one.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven


I hope all is well with ya

,♡⁠(⁠>⁠ ⁠ਊ⁠ ⁠<⁠)⁠♡

 

[Twistie]

And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

The "shepherds" of the world have been slumbering and feeding only themselves..

The True Shepherd He don't collect the dead He is for the Living
He not only Feed His Children He protects them He dont allow the wolves to come in and fest on His people unlike those of the world .