Why does God send people to hell?

[rstrats]

It will not be missed on the other side of eternity, and thank you.

What's on the other side of eternity?

 

[NBTT]

Hell will be terrible, but that is because those there will be evil and they will be surrounded with other evil people, for all eternity. Is God evil for doing this? Keeping them alive? Every evil person would rather be alive than dead. Even in hell.

I struggle with MT 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

The scriptures had to be fulfilled. I know God is right and I'm too low to understand but I wish hell were different and Judas wouldn't have to suffer eternally.

 

[rstrats]

I know God is right and I'm too low to understand but I wish hell were different and Judas wouldn't have to suffer eternally.

Nor my mother-in-law who I never heard say anything mean about anyone but didn't believe in a supreme being.

 

[Bill]

It will not be missed on the other side of eternity, and thank you.

That I can believe my friend

It will not be missed on the other side of eternity, and thank you.

I agree my friend

 

[KingJ]

I struggle with MT 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

1. Imagine having on your conscience, the fact that you betrayed Jesus, for all eternity. And 2. how every person you meet for the rest of eternity will know and refer to you as the person who betrayed Him.

I think that is more the context Jesus was alluding to. No sins of the wicked are covered. They are all known. Imagine being known for that sin when we will all get to see the glory and love of Jesus firsthand.

The scriptures had to be fulfilled. I know God is right and I'm too low to understand but I wish hell were different and Judas wouldn't have to suffer eternally.

You are not low. Christians can judge all matters 1 Cor 2:15.

One-day, you will sit down with God and have a cup of tea with scones and discuss the punishment of the wicked. God will ask you for your thoughts on what He has decided to do. He will be an open book with absolutely nothing to hide. Everything He does, we will agree with Him on as we will judge it as good, righteous, merciful and loving. We have seen this with Abraham on Sodom and Moses with the golden calf.

God is the best judge. He is the one you want to judge you. He does not repay evil with evil.

Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in all His ways.

 

[KingJ]

but I wish hell were different and Judas wouldn't have to suffer eternally.

I just want to harp on this and sorry if I am repeating myself.

God does not want any to perish. 2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God does not want to see Judas suffer either. But what are His options? What can He do with Judas? What would you do with Judas?

Let's say we saw his heart would never desire true repentance of sin. So what would we do?

1. Punish him for his sin. Justice requires this. Justice is never repaying evil with evil. But it is a punishment according to the sin. So, a mild, agonising fire for ten years. Fine, we all agree?

2. We have to isolate him as no unrepentant sinner can be allowed into heaven to mix and socialize with repentant sinners. So we keep him in a prison with 'other criminals'. Aka LoF.

3. We can't put cute animals in prison for him to look after as he and others will torture them. So no cute pets in hell. Pets are actually a very interesting point to consider. The Geneva convention wanted Germans in concentration camps to be able to have their pets with them. It was considered extra torturous to keep them from them.

4. No sins are covered and forgotten as we are who we are. Imagine in hell, God remove the memory of person X being a murderer. They throw a party in hell and invite person X, he turns out to be a terror at the party. God would be to blame. All will know Judas as the guy who betrayed Jesus for all eternity.

5. The best we can do is to give Judas and other prisoners 'yard time'. Access to things to do. Nice things to eat. Etc.

I always think of the life demons currently live. Cast out of heaven because they loved what is evil more than they hated it. Much like humans sold out to evil, hard hearts that will never be able to truly repent of their sins. But yet, they can do so many things. God opens the door to many activities for them.

A. They can possess evil humans.
B. They can make UFO's.
C. They can make bodies like grey aliens and mermaids and walk around at night.
D. They can fly in their UFO's to distant planets.
E. They can engage with humans who want to engage with them.
F. Jesus honored their request to be cast into pigs.
G. God asked the devil what he was up to and he replied 'roaming here and there'. Job 1:7.

Think on these. I am 100% certain that all those in hell for eternity will still have activities to do and things to keep themselves busy with.

But all this considered, much like the horror of being a pedophile in a prison housing many thieves who got caught stealing for a better life for their children, Judas will be in a prison where all know the beauty and splendor of Jesus.

How much can God, you and I help him? Of course we will. It just is what it is. It will really really suck to be him.

 

[NBTT]

You are not low. Christians can judge all matters 1 Cor 2:15.

Thanks for the detailed reply and for that reference. I was thinking of IS 55:9 so I do trust His justice is perfect. The part I struggle with most is "it had been good for that man if he had not been born". Jesus picked Judas in the twelve knowing he would accomplish that dirty task. The part that is not good isn't God creating Judas but Judas exercising his free will in an evil way.

If hell was not everlasting the wicked human heart (JER 17:9) would too easily choose wickedness in this world so hell is the way it needs to be.

My wife has visions and saw a sombre place where her unbelieving grandmother is. People there still had a home and food but there was absolutely no joy and calling on Jesus took her out of there. She was also given a brief experience of a light place and the feeling is indescribably glorious. Scripture is our rock and personal experience should be tested against it and rejected if contradictory.

 

[KingJ]

Jesus picked Judas in the twelve knowing he would accomplish that dirty task. The part that is not good isn't God creating Judas but Judas exercising his free will in an evil way.

I don't believe Jesus picked Judas knowing he would betray him. He knew at a point in time sure, but not at the time he was picked.

Free will and God's omniscience is one of the hardest topics to discuss and grasp. We need to be so careful of 'reading into' scripture what is not there. We have to take scripture as it is. If scripture for example says ''God wills all be saved 1 Tim 2:4'', that means that from birth God does not know who will be saved.

Jesus picked 12 disciples He believed would be best for spreading the gospel. Full stop. That at a later point one did what he did is a separate topic.

Anyone who thinks they can correctly grasp and define God off of a word 'omniscient', needs to explain to me how He was created. We cannot grasp God. We have to blindly stick 100% to what scripture actually says and scripture teaches us that God is both omniscient and good at the same time. IE His omniscience is limited by His goodness. If it can be proven that knowing something in advance is evil, He does not know it. This would be the case with not only Judas, but all who end up in hell. It would be extremely evil of God to create someone to be evil when He has also created an eternal hell for them.

My wife has visions and saw a sombre place where her unbelieving grandmother is. People there still had a home and food but there was absolutely no joy and calling on Jesus took her out of there. She was also given a brief experience of a light place and the feeling is indescribably glorious. Scripture is our rock and personal experience should be tested against it and rejected if contradictory.

Shame, I hope her grandmother was saved and is in heaven.

 

[NBTT]

Free will and God's omniscience is one of the hardest topics to discuss and grasp.

Amen brother. That's why threads like this about God and hell are so long.

IE His omniscience is limited by His goodness. If it can be proven that knowing something in advance is evil, He does not know it. This would be the case with not only Judas, but all who end up in hell. It would be extremely evil of God to create someone to be evil when He has also created an eternal hell for them.

Interesting proposed solution to the paradox. Bottom line there are things I don't understand about God but I fully trust Him.

 

[th1bill]

Free will and God's omniscience is one of the hardest topics to discuss and grasp. We need to be so careful of 'reading into' scripture what is not there. We have to take scripture as it is. If scripture for example says ''God wills all be saved 1 Tim 2:4'', that means that from birth God does not know who will be saved.

Romans 8:29

For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

Source: 15 Bible verses about God's Foreknowledge

God knew before He created, There are at least 13 other verses confirming this.

 

[KingJ]

Romans 8:29

For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

Source: 15 Bible verses about God's Foreknowledge

God knew before He created, There are at least 13 other verses confirming this.

Hi Bill. Correct me if I am wrong. I believe are not a 5pt Calvinist but you do lean heavily toward predestination as they do?

Would you agree that: (If not please explain why).

A. If God is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, He can do no evil.
B. When you have created an eternal hell of punishment for the wicked, creating someone wicked (foreknowledge that they would be wicked) from birth is extremely evil.

And, if you are in fact a 5pt Calvinist, please also explain to me where God comes from. 5pt Calvinists are so certain of their belief in God's omniscience albeit that it heavily incriminates Him as pure evil, that surely they should also be able to grasp how He came into existence. Since they espouse to know God so well.

 

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'The dead praise not the LORD,
neither any that go down into silence.
But we will bless the LORD
from this time forth and for evermore.
Praise the LORD.'

(Psa 115:17-18)

Hello there, @Chad,

The word 'Hell', is a middle English word meanomg 'to hide away', and is used for the place of the dead, which is the grave, or gravedom. The Lord Jesus Christ used the word 'Hell' as a translation of the word 'Gehenna', which is referring to the fires of end time judgment.

The choices open to mankind are not Heaven or Hell as a destination at death, but life or death.at the resurrection of the dead. The dead go down into silence, and the believing dead are reckoned by God as being 'asleep in Christ', awaiting resurrection. The unbelieving dead, will be raised to judgment, but those who have placed their trust in the work of Christ, and believe God in relation to the person and work of His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.will not come into condemnation but will enter life everlasting according to the promise of God.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'The dead praise not the LORD,
neither any that go down into silence.
But we will bless the LORD
from this time forth and for evermore.
Praise the LORD.'
(Psa 115:17-18)

'For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.'
(Rom 6:23)

Hello there, @Chad,

The word 'Hell', is a middle English word meaning 'to hide away', and is used for 'the place of the dead', which is the grave, or gravedom. The Lord Jesus Christ used the word 'Hell' as a translation of the word 'Gehenna', which is referring to the fires of end time judgment.

The choices open to mankind are not Heaven or Hell as a destination at death, but life or death.at the resurrection of the dead.

The dead go down into silence, and the believing dead are reckoned by God as being 'asleep in Christ' (1 Cor. 15:18), awaiting resurrection. The unbelieving dead, will be raised to judgment, but those who have placed their trust in the work of Christ, and believe God in relation to the person and work of His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.will not come into condemnation (Rom. 8:1) but will enter life everlasting according to the promise of God.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

* Hell is a translation of the following:- Sheol, Gehenna, Hades, Tartaroo

 

[MedicBravo]

There are no people in Hell right now.
Their judgment, like the rest of us is not for now or a time.
It makes no sense for them to go now or in the past and then "get a break" during the White Throne (final) judgment.
There's no scripture to back this "break" either.

 

[complete]

There are no people in Hell right now.
Their judgment, like the rest of us is not for now or a time.

Hello @MedicBravo,

If Hell is the place of the dead or the grave, then it is very much occupied, by the many who have died throughout the centuries. Our Lord Himself experienced death and the grave, before rising from the dead. There is no consciousness in death, for the body no longer functions, but is hidden from sight, that the process of corruption and decay to take place. Only the power of the resurrection can raise the dead.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Brightfame52]

There are no people in Hell right now.
Their judgment, like the rest of us is not for now or a time.
It makes no sense for them to go now or in the past and then "get a break" during the White Throne (final) judgment.
There's no scripture to back this "break" either.

It seems to be a scripture here Rev 20 13-15

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Bill]

'The dead praise not the LORD,
neither any that go down into silence.
But we will bless the LORD
from this time forth and for evermore.
Praise the LORD.'

(Psa 115:17-18)

Hello there, @Chad,

The word 'Hell', is a middle English word meanomg 'to hide away', and is used for the place of the dead, which is the grave, or gravedom. The Lord Jesus Christ used the word 'Hell' as a translation of the word 'Gehenna', which is referring to the fires of end time judgment.

The choices open to mankind are not Heaven or Hell as a destination at death, but life or death.at the resurrection of the dead. The dead go down into silence, and the believing dead are reckoned by God as being 'asleep in Christ', awaiting resurrection. The unbelieving dead, will be raised to judgment, but those who have placed their trust in the work of Christ, and believe God in relation to the person and work of His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.will not come into condemnation but will enter life everlasting according to the promise of God.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

May Jesus fill us with His love and wisdom

When we die from this word are we " Dead "???

When leaving this present state of existance we are familiar with, others will call you dead. But the truth is, our being is eternal, as we are created in the image of God. Eternal creatures, like the Angels.

At judgement, God determines if we have lived in God's love or not. And those sent to eternal punishment are Dead to God.