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THE GOSPEL

Greetings,

According to the Bible, what is Scripture?
@DougE

When you state,
"Scripture declares Paul to be our apostle"
who is the 'our' you refer to, please?


Bless you ....><>
During the time of Jesus, "scriptures" referred to the Old Testament; the New Testament didn't exist when Jesus was on earth. Many believers consider the New Testament to also be part of the scriptures, which I agree concerning.
 
Sorry this makes no sense
mislead readers?
Jesus calls it "good news", not gospel. The word gospel didn't exist in the time of Jesus and is confusing to people who don't understand what it means. Paul is one of three major authors of the New Testament. The other two are Luke and John.
 
This is the gospel by which we are saved.

1 Corinthians 15 contains Paul's gospel:

[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

We are all sinners who cannot save ourselves.

See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6

[Rom 3:23 KJV] 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

[Rom 5:6 KJV] 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute; He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.

See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26

[2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[Rom 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

He was buried.

He rose again for our justification (to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.

See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30

[Rom 4:22-25 KJV] 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

[Eph 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

All we have to do is believe the gospel.

See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13

[Rom 4:5 KJV] 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

[1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

[Eph 1:13 KJV] 13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Believing is being persuaded that something is true.

See Romans 4:20-22

[Rom 4:20-22 KJV] 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

The moment you believe you have eternal life.

Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7

[Tit 1:1-2 KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

[Tit 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Trust the gospel of your salvation. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, in his death and his resurrection.

I agree with most of what you have written here. The gospel is indeed that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again, and salvation is received by faith in Him.

My only question is how this harmonizes with some of your previous statements.

For example, you have previously:

1. Argued that being "born again" applies only to Israel, yet here you cite passages such as Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 1:13 that apply salvation and justification to believers generally through faith.

2. Emphasized distinctions between Israel and the Church, yet this presentation appears to teach one Savior, one gospel, and one way of salvation through faith in Christ.

3. Argued that "born again" is not a scriptural description of Christians, yet the gospel you present here is the very gospel that the apostles preached to all believers.
 
The Greek means "sent one", not apostle, which is a mistranslation of the Greek. Preach is likewise a mistranslation of the Greek, which means "proclaim" in the Greek.

The Old Testament does not say anything about Paul. But Paul, originally named Saul, was likely named after the Old Testament King Saul.
Your constant Greek correction to me undermines the scripture
 
My only question is how this harmonizes with some of your previous statements.
It is harmonized by rightly dividing scripture. Right division allows the Bible to say what it says and not try to make it say what it doesnt. It takes into account who is speaking, to whom it is being spoken and be in agreement with surrounding verses and remote verses.

Good question thanks
 
1. Argued that being "born again" applies only to Israel, yet here you cite passages such as Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 1:13 that apply salvation and justification to believers generally through faith.
Let's look at the verse ***********[John 3:3 KJV] "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ******** Jesus is talking to a Jew. Israel was promised an earthly kingdom which Jeus here calls the kingdom of God (also called kingdom of heaven). ********** [John 3:5 KJV] "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." ******** Jesus is talking about what is required to enter the kingdom on earth. A believing Jew could be saved unto eternal life but to secure a position in the millennial kingdom they had to water baptized, keep the law, and be fruitful

Jesus goes on to expand this to the nation of Israel *********** [John 3:7 KJV] "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." ******** Ye is plural, (You all) he is talking about all Israel
 
2. Emphasized distinctions between Israel and the Church, yet this presentation appears to teach one Savior, one gospel, and one way of salvation through faith in Christ.
There is only one wat to be saved and that is to believe what God says
Yes it is by faith in Christ, the only Saviour

There is more than one gospel to be believed for salvation.
Israel had to believe animal sacrifice could save them
During Christ's earthly ministry they had to believe Jesus was the Son of God and their Messiah
After Jesus saved Paul he revealed believing in his shed blood by the cross, that he died for our sins and rose for our justification
 
3. Argued that "born again" is not a scriptural description of Christians, yet the gospel you present here is the very gospel that the apostles preached to all believers
Peter and Paul preached different gospels
Peter preached to believe on his name, that he is Christ, the Son of God. He didnt preach salvation to all by the cross
You cant find Peter preaching the cross for salvation to all
 
I agree with most of what you have written here. The gospel is indeed that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again, and salvation is received by faith in Him.

My only question is how this harmonizes with some of your previous statements.

For example, you have previously:

1. Argued that being "born again" applies only to Israel, yet here you cite passages such as Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 1:13 that apply salvation and justification to believers generally through faith.

2. Emphasized distinctions between Israel and the Church, yet this presentation appears to teach one Savior, one gospel, and one way of salvation through faith in Christ.

3. Argued that "born again" is not a scriptural description of Christians, yet the gospel you present here is the very gospel that the apostles preached to all believers.
Jesus calls his message "good news", which everyone can relate to. The majority of people on earth very likely have no idea what "gospel" means. Why do you insist on using Old Saxon language "gospel", rather than modern English that people can easily understand???
 
I dont know what you mean
All scripture is the Word of God. Inspired and preserved
Jesus calls his message "good news", which everyone can relate to. The majority of people on earth very likely have no idea what "gospel" means. Why do you insist on using Old Saxon language "gospel", rather than modern English that people can easily understand???
 
Jesus calls his message "good news", which everyone can relate to. The majority of people on earth very likely have no idea what "gospel" means. Why do you insist on using Old Saxon language "gospel", rather than modern English that people can easily understand???
The NWT Bible for Jehovah Witnesses say "good news" as well
 
Jesus calls his message "good news", which everyone can relate to. The majority of people on earth very likely have no idea what "gospel" means. Why do you insist on using Old Saxon language "gospel", rather than modern English that people can easily understand???
Most of your modern Bibles say gospel as well, so much for old English if the new Bibles say gospel as well
I could almost think you are attacking the KJV which you seem to do consistently
 
The NWT Bible for Jehovah Witnesses say "good news" as well
Well, they got one thing right. Jehovah is a mistranslation of YHWH, which means "I AM, I SHALL BE", spoken to infinity. Since humans can't speak to infinity, God himself shortened it for Moses as "I AM". Devout Jews won't speak the name of God, out of reverence for who God is, thus the Old Testament often says "adonai", which is translated as Lord in English.
 
Well, they got one thing right. Jehovah is a mistranslation of YHWH, which means "I AM, I SHALL BE", spoken to infinity. Since humans can't speak to infinity, God himself shortened it for Moses as "I AM". Devout Jews won't speak the name of God, out of reverence for who God is, thus the Old Testament often says "adonai", which is translated as Lord in English.
[Exodus 6:3 KJV] "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

Just so you know this is the last time I will discuss mistranslations
 
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