The Image of The Beast

[Gerbolski]

So now how about that question, can you answer my question of what kind of beast is the second beast of REVELATION CHAPTER 13 ?

One just has to read it, and look at it, and see what it says, that is all.

And yes the Holy Ghost reveals things, but it will never be contrary to what it says, and it will not be something it does not say.

 

[Bill]

So now how about that question, can you answer my question of what kind of beast is the second beast of REVELATION CHAPTER 13 ?

One just has to read it, and look at it, and see what it says, that is all.

And yes the Holy Ghost reveals things, but it will never be contrary to what it says, and it will not be something it does not say.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I don't know what the other Beast is, I tried to give you some understanding that it may not be individual people nor be particular countries but more like a way of thinking. And that seems to be in my mind more of a possibility than not. Because look at how people are starting to accept AI. Look at how people are starting to accept transgenderism and all this other crap, look at how people are so easily swayed to accept things that we wouldn't never have accepted just a few years ago. So I'm just trying to say that I think that it's difficult at best to try to figure it out if the Holy Spirit isn't leading you to giving you a deeper understanding.

And I've tried to point out one little detail at least for myself. For my understanding of scripture it's really clear in my mind up to the point of my death.

 

[Gerbolski]

I don't know what the other Beast is

That is an honest answer.

And in my question I am more asking at this present moment, not necessarily what this beast represents, but what does the bible says this beast is.

And of course, in the 4 beasts of Daniel, the first one is clearly shown to be a lion, with of course eagle's wings, and we know the statue of Daniel itself, clearly represent Empires and their kings.

Dan 2:38-39
(38) And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
(39) And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Daniel was speaking to Nebuchadnezzar here about thou art this head of gold, and in verse 39, it also shows that within the statue parts, that they refer to kingdoms.

Now concerning the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 it says this:

Rev 13:11
(11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Is this beast a lamb, a crocodile, a dragon, an elephant, or something else ?

 

[Bill]

The two horned beast represents the two major sects of Islam. The two horns are a crescent moon. I've also said that in Revelation 17 John is taken into a desert wilderness to view the harlot's Judgment. Mecca and Medina reside in the deserts of Saudi Arabia. I've also said that Babylon the Great literally interpreted signifies A LARGE FALSE RELIGION. The only religion that fits all of this is Islam.

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I've said this before. "Islam is a counterfeit religion very similar to Christianity. It has a false god named Allah, a false prophet named Muhammad, a false book named the Koran. And a false prophetic scenario very similar to Christianity's which is a false, self-fulfilling, demonic inspired prophetic scenario, with a false returning messiah named the Mahdi, and a false returning Christ called, the Muslim Jesus, who is said to be the Mahdi's subordinate. Not to mention the Islamic 'dajjal' who is the Islamic anti-Christ and the biblical anti-Christ as well. AND to think, ISIS believes jesus will return to help them defeat the dajjal the Islamic anti-christ!"

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

That's your opinion. We don't really know what it is

 

[Gerbolski]

I've said this before. "Islam is a counterfeit religion very similar to Christianity. It has a false god named Allah, a false prophet named Muhammad, a false book named the Koran. And a false prophetic scenario very similar to Christianity's which is a false, self-fulfilling, demonic inspired prophetic scenario, with a false returning messiah named the Mahdi, and a false returning Christ called, the Muslim Jesus, who is said to be the Mahdi's subordinate. Not to mention the Islamic 'dajjal' who is the Islamic anti-Christ and the biblical anti-Christ as well. AND to think, ISIS believes jesus will return to help them defeat the dajjal the Islamic anti-christ!"

No doubt there is wickedness in Islam, but not all things are Islam in the bible, but some things are.

And when it mentions the false prophet, it is not talking about Muhammed, even though Mohammed was a false prophet, it is talking about a man, that the bible calls the false prophet that shall be alive in the end times.

The bible says this:

Rev 19:20
(20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

This man, which shall be alive in the end times, shall be cast alive in the lake of fire, at about the time of the second coming.

 

[Gerbolski]

We don't really know what it is

Hi Bill.

Rev 13:11
(11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This beast is actually a non-descript beast, it has two horns like a lamb, but it does not say that it, itself is a lamb, or any other creature, so it really is a non-descript beast.

 

[Gerbolski]

Just like in the Statue in Daniel, that the different parts referred to kings and kingdoms, so does the 4 beasts of Daniel refer to that:

Dan 7:17
(17) These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Dan 7:23
(23) Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

 

[Gerbolski]

Rev 13:11
(11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Now we know that this 2nd beast of Revelation 13, is a non-descript beast, well does the bible mention somewhere else, another beast that is a non-descript beast ?

 

[Dave M]

If your trust is in experiences, than you have your trust in the wrong place.

amen for God even tells us that the dark side is capable of disguising themselves as angles of light, that in the end times we are going to see signs and wonders and most will be deceived, far to many rely on experience and emotion and not the word of God ,

 

[Bill]

Hi Bill.

Rev 13:11
(11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This beast is actually a non-descript beast, it has two horns like a lamb, but it does not say that it, itself is a lamb, or any other creature, so it really is a non-descript beast.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Well if you think of the words like a lamb. That means that they are like Jesus or that they are like being innocent

 

[Gerbolski]

Well if you think of the words like a lamb. That means that they are like Jesus or that they are like being innocent

Well in this case, because he is called the false prophet, the horns are lamb like, but in a deceitful way.

 

[Gerbolski]

Rev 13:11
(11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 16:13
(13) And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

So in the case of the 2nd beast, which is the false prophet, the beast mentioned, is a non-descript beast.

And this leader mentioned, is not a political leader perse, but rather he is a religious leader, hence false prophet.

So he is a religious leader, and he is describe as a non-descript beast, and the bible reveals what the bible says, just think upon another non-descript beast.

 

[Gerbolski]

Dan 7:7 (7) After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Rev 13:11 (11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These 2 beasts are non-descript beasts.

And it is no coincidence.

 

[michae1]

“And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:1-4 ESV)

So, who is this beast? Many speculate. Only God knows for certain. From what I have read and watched and been taught of the Lord over the past 20 years, I believe this beast to be, for example, “The World Economic Forum.” Basically it is a conglomerate of the wealthy and powerful of the world, a large number of them Jewish Zionists, who are the ones truly ruling the world and who are taking over nations, one at a time, to bring all nations under the rule of this beast in a One World Totalitarian Order of government.

I believe that the USA serves this beast and that this group of elite are the de facto government of the USA. And so the USA and their military forces have been instrumental in the take down and the conquering of nation after nation across the globe, in order to bring all nations under the rule of this beast. And now America itself is being taken down, one piece and one step at a time, using the same modus operandi that they used to take down many other nations across the globe, perhaps beginning after WW2.

So first they create the problem and then they come in as “saviors” with a preconceived solution to “the problem” they created. And then they appoint a new head of government over what now is regarded as a “unity” and/or as a “transitional” government. So they have to create situations which make the people cry out for a “savior” to deliver them and to bring normalcy back to their lives. That is their hope. But “normalcy” is not what is intended. A totalitarian one world government of the beast is the ultimate goal.

“And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear:

“If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.
Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.” (Revelation 13:5-10 ESV)

And if we are paying close attention to what is going on in our world and in the USA (if that is where we live), we should be seeing the signs of the times in which we now live, and we should be seeing how this beast is conquering people and nations and Christians (the saints of God). And so much of this is done via psychological warfare and massive deception and indoctrination and cult followings. For us baby boomers in America, we have been trained in government worship from very early on in our lives (1945ish to present).

But the indoctrination and mind manipulative tactics that the government uses to enslave us as its followers is also now being incorporated into the gatherings of the institutional market-driven “churches” (businesses) of today. So if you are in the minority and not the majority, because your eyes and ears are attentive to what is going on and you can see the deceptive changes being made, then you may be ostracized and even invited out of these “churches” to go somewhere where you will be “a better fit.”

“Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people, and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.” (Revelation 13:11-18 ESV)

A big part of the founding of America had to do with the separation of church and state. Although they may have been separate for many years, they have not been in entirety since sometime in the 1950s when the 501c3 tax exempt status came into being. And it appears that most American “churches” incorporated under the state as not-for-profit incorporations (mergers) of the state. And this was wholly unnecessary, for the church had always been tax exempt. But now it brought the majority of what are called “churches” in union with the US government, which God warns against.

Then many churches began operating as businesses, and began marketing their “churches” to the people of the world. And in order to attract the world to their gatherings they began to dilute (alter) the gospel message and the character of God/Christ and of his church in order to make “the church” more inviting and acceptable to the ungodly, i.e. to the flesh of humans. And pastors began to become more like cult leaders and anyone who was not on board with their marketing schemes might then be encouraged to leave.

Anyway, I see this second beast as this union of church and state in an unholy union, which God forbids. And from my childhood on up I was taught government worship in the “church.” And an “image” can be many things from something like a national flag to television to the internet to anything or anyone who emulates this beast in character and which has the capability to lead the masses to worship this beast. TV and the internet are images and they are quite capable of leading the masses to worship this beast.

And with regard to the mark of the beast, although it may end up as a physical mark of some kind, the greater danger is its mark (influence, character, evidence) in our lives – in our thinking, believing, speaking, behaving, attitudes and actions. We are not to take on the character of the world as followers of Christ. We are to be separate (unlike, different) from the world, for we should now be being conformed to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ. So pray for spiritual discernment in this matter.

[Matt 21:12-13; Jn 2:13-17; Ac 5:27-32; 2 Co 6:14-18; Php 3:18-19; Rev 13:5-8; Rev 18:1-5; Matt 7:13-14,21-23; Lu 9:23-26; Jn 10:27-30; Ac 26:18; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Tit 2:11-14; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13; Heb 10:23-31; Heb 12:1-2; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,15-17; 1 Jn 3:4-10]

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897

Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

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The Image of The Beast
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Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

This thread is a complete disappointment. This thread represents the worst of Christianity. What sequence of events could have possibly led to such a terrible interpretation? I hope no one takes instruction by these words.

 

[Gerbolski]

The bible interprets the bible, I read in another thread about the beast of Revelation 13, somehow being the palestinian authority, you cannot back that up with scripture, and it is not Israel either, often times it is a feelings revelation that people get, because they might be against this or that, and focus a lot on that one subject..

The beasts have to remain as they are described.

Rev 13:2
(2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Leave the leopard be, what the bile reveals about the leopard, and leave the bear be the bear.

And leave non-descript beasts be non-descript beasts.

The one in Daniel referred to the Roman empire, and likewise the second non-descript beast of Revelation 13, has something to do with Rome,
which the leader is the false prophet, and mons Vaticanus means the hill of the soothsayer, which a soothsayer is a false prophet.

It all matches, a religious leader, which obviously is the leader of a religious group (Roman Catholicism), which has to do with Rome.

Religious leader (false prophet, a certain pope), two non-descript beasts, which has to do with Rome.

And the first beast well he is a political leader, which will be the antichrist, and myself I do not see everything as Rome, but neither everything as Islamic, the first beast has 7 heads, and ten horns, with ten crowns, which these are leaders in one form or another, which in some form, the leopard will form some type of kingdom.

But these ten horns are not the same as the 2 horns like a lamb, horns sometimes refer to leaders and their countries, but not always in the bible, the second beast, points to a religious leader, and the 2 horns like a lamb points to it's strong holds, which is the city of Rome, and it's religion (Roman Catholicism), which she is world wide.

People either have there eyes too much one way or the other, and it can lead to deception, if you ignore either.

 

[Gerbolski]

And within the 7 heads like a leopard, it refers to 7 leaders, of various nations, which one of the 7 is the Antichrist, which is the leopard head that has a a mouth of a lion, and among those 7, which refers to modern nations, they shall form something with the antichrist, and these nations, shall be nations, who were a part of the Grecian empire at one time or another, which no doubt, in some of them it will include Islamic nations.

Will there be a revised Grecian empire, a revised Babylonian empire, a revised Roman empire, and a revised Persian ?

Dan 2:44
(44) And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Dan 2:45
(45) Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

So even though there were 4 great kingdoms that arose, to form empires, and these kingdoms have been destroyed, it shows that all of these kingdoms shall also be destroyed when God sets up his kingdom on earth, all of them when the stone is here ,which is Jesus, that all of these kingdoms shall be destroyed, all of them, gold, silver etc., which tells us that there is going to be an end time aspect of all these kingdoms, a revised form, for in order for God to destroy them when he sets up his kingdom, they have to be here.

In the former time it was Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus and Persia, Alexander the great and Greece, and Caesar Augustus and Rome.

In the time of the second coming, the leaders will be who they will be.

 

[Gerbolski]

Double prophecies

Dan 2:38-40 (38) And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. (39) And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. (40) And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Dan 2:44 (44) And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Dan 2:45 (45) Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Many times in the bible, there are twofold fulfilling of prophecies, and here we see a former fulfillment, which was not completely fulfilled in Daniel's day, which there had to arise 4 kings, with four kingdoms, as the bible says it would happen.

These 4 were: Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian empire, Cyrus and Persia (Medo-Persian), Alexander the great and Grecia, and Caesar Augustus and the Roman empire, but then it speaks of a future aspect of these kingdoms, when God sets up a kingdom on earth, which points to the second coming, and at the second coming the stone, which is Christ Jesus, shall destroy all of these kingdoms, which tells us that there is a future revised form that shall be, of these kingdoms.

So we can see it as a twofold prophecy that it is speaking of in Daniel, a double prophecy.

So right here we can see that double prophecies do exist in the bible.

The bible backs up the bible.

The 7 heads

And then there is the subject of the 7 heads.

Rev 13:1-2 (1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 17:3 (3) So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Rev 17:9 (9) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Now we have to read these things very carefully and not change any of the words, nor add to these words.

First of all, who had the 7 heads ? The beast or the woman ?

Well it was the beast that had the seven heads, and this woman was siting upon this beast.

So is there a twofold meaning here is this case as well, just like in the example we gave in Daniel ?

Well there are two subjects, in the way that God uses these heads, it shows that the beast itself has 7 heads, so these heads in one form or another, belong to it.

But also God uses the 7 heads to also point to something else, it also points to 7 mountains on which the woman siteth.

So then the 7 heads point to 2 things, one to 7 heads that the beast has, which pertains to the beast, and to 7 mountains on which the woman sitetth, 2 different subjects, one that pertains to the beast, and one that pertains to the woman, which is the prostitute of Revelation.

It is twofold.

But then there is this other scripture, that goes like this:

Rev 17:10-11
(10) And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
(11) And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

So after the book Revelation chapter 17, speaks of the 7 heads pointing to 7 mountains on which the woman sitteth, only after this, is when it says, and "there are 7 kings".

Notice that in verse 10, it does not start with and these 7 kings are the 7 heads, but rather it changes subject, and points to these 7 other kings, which the beast (Antichrist) shall be "of", yet being the 8th king.

There are 3 subjects here, in Revelation chapter 13, it speaks of 7 heads that the beast "has", yet the beast is one of the 7 heads, being the leopard head that has the mouth of a lion, so that is one subject, and the next subject pertains to 7 heads on which the woman sitteth, which pertains to the woman and not the beast, then the third subject, does not mention the word heads at all, it just mentions these 7 kings that the beast is "of", yet not being one of these 7 kings, for he is the 8th king.

So the 3 subjects are these, the beast "has" 7 heads, being one of the seven, the woman "sits" on 7 mountains, which pertains to the woman, and there are 7 kings that the beast is "of", yet not being one of the 7, but being the 8th king.

And these can be complemented by other verses in the bible, even some found in Daniel.

Here is an image of the Revelation 13 beast that I made with the help of AI programs:


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[Gerbolski]

Every part of the Revelation 13's first beast, has a meaning, the 7 heads have a meaning, and the ten horns have a meaning, but also the 4 feet of a bear, and the leopard beast itself have a meaning, and the 4 feet of a bear, you can see in Daniel, and 3 others that follow, which brings the number to 7, which the Antichrist is the 8th king, it is all in Daniel.

 

[Gerbolski]

In prophecy many times the way people interpret it, is not by comparing scriptures with scriptures, many seem to have a certain strong stance against something, and they interpret the bible by their strong stance, so in some cases everything becomes Islam, or in other cases everything becomes Rome, even in some maybe lesser cases, but still strong in many cases, many things pointing to Israel, that have nothing to do with Israel, just simply because they have a strong view against Israel.

It is like people instead of looking to compare the word with the word, that people are lusting to get a glorious prophecy, that will prove their strong stance, and even though they may be right that say this or that group is not good, they go over board to try and prove their point, and thus are not careful with the word, which tends to lead to ignoring this or that part of the word, and really ignoring this or that other warning.

A friend of mine once said, if someone does not understand what it says in the old testament, concerning it's bigger picture, and how it flows, they will not understand prophecy, or have a harder time to understand prophecy.

 

[Gerbolski]

According to the bible, the Antichrist gets revealed in his time:

2Th 2:6
(6) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

He has to be on the scene for one thing, and it has to be the time for him to be revealed.

Way too many people trying to guess who the Antichrist is, and making a mockery of the bible, and some cases even the church.

Too many lusting for some so-called grandios revelation, and they get excited about it, but it is mostly in the flesh.