Does the Bible support Women Preachers? ( Debate -- Long video)

[Christ4Ever]

It was Barak that asked Deborah to go with him, and he said he would not go, unless she would go, but that does not make her a a military commander, the 10,000 men went after Barak, not after Deborah.

The point being that Barak would not go if Deborah did not go. Who is the leader here and who is the follower?
What would a military commander have to do with a non-combatant?
As a retired military member, you don't want non-combatants there because they have a tendency of getting in the way.

We know that God allowed Deborah to be a judge, but what about kings?

You are welcome to address the other aspects as you wish, but I have only one King, and He is King of kings!

I find it interesting how one commentary can motivate one to no end.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Gerbolski]

The point being that Barak would not go if Deborah did not go. Who is the leader here and who is the follower?
What would a military commander have to do with a non-combatant?
As a retired military member, you don't want non-combatants there because they have a tendency of getting in the way.


You are welcome to address the other aspects as you wish, but I have only one King, and He is King of kings!

I find it interesting how one commentary can motivate one to no end.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Oh well I guess we disagree on these aspects of things, and I quoted the bible concerning the Debora and Barak thing via who commanded the 10,000.

There was kings in the bible, and then there is the king of kings Jesus, and via the Debora issue, if you want to look at commentaries, not all of them agree, and not all agree on you view of Deborah, there is no evidence of Debora killing with sword, but there is with Gideon.

But in the end it is what God says that matters, we all have our part in the body, in one way or another.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Oh well I guess we disagree on these aspects of things, and I quoted the bible concerning the Debora and Barak thing via who commanded the 10,000.

There was kings in the bible, and then there is the king of kings Jesus, and via the Debora issue, if you want to look at commentaries, not all of them agree, and not all agree on you view of Deborah, there is no evidence of Debora killing with sword, but there is with Gideon.

But in the end it is what God says that matters, we all have our part in the body, in one way or another.

I believe that regardless of our interpretations or beliefs from reading scripture, God’s will be always fulfilled, whether women are in ministry or not.
God bless you and yours brother.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Rockerduck]

The point being that Barak would not go if Deborah did not go. Who is the leader here and who is the follower?
What would a military commander have to do with a non-combatant?
As a retired military member, you don't want non-combatants there because they have a tendency of getting in the way.


You are welcome to address the other aspects as you wish, but I have only one King, and He is King of kings!

I find it interesting how one commentary can motivate one to no end.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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At that time, Barack and Israel had never been in a battle since Josuah, 100 yrs earlier. Deborah said go, He said God talked to you, not me. God is with you, not me. You go with me. Barack never saw a Miracle of God fighting for Israel. In Barack's eyes it impossible. He needed a prophet with him. I'll bet the next time he had confidence. Samuel rode with King Saul by the way.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Samuel rode with King Saul by the way.

Not always.

 

[Rockerduck]

Not always.

neither did Deborah with Barack

 

[Christ4Ever]

neither did Deborah with Barack

Since Barack was in only one recorded battle, I guess not. lol

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

1Ti 2:12
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Co 14:34
(34) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

When it speaks of silence, we know that it is not referring to complete silence, for women can worship the Lord, can prophesy, can witness to people, but women in the realm of being a preacher or teacher in the church, they cannot, they ought to be silent in that way.


1Ti 3:2
(2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Some men are called to be overseers in the church, although doing so with the right attitude, to were they have an actual calling on their lives.

And they do so from a servant's heart.

So when God calls someone to become an overseer, it is a man (not a woman), that he will call, just simply because that is his order.


Rom 16:3-5
(3) Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
(4) Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
(5) Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

Just because people gather at Priscilla and Aquilla's house , does not mean that the woman Priscilla is a preacher, saying such is adding to the text.


Rom 16:1-2
(1) I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
(2) That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

I think the KJV, interpreted it right in calling Phebe a servant, she had a servant's heart and came to the succor of many, but it in no way implies her being in some office of the church.

There is absolutely no evidence of her, teaching or preaching in front of the church, absolutely none.

You're spouting churchianity doctrine here, not Word....Study the subject deeply and you will see how wrong you are....What does God say about the subject?

 

[Bill]

You're spouting churchianity doctrine here, not Word....Study the subject deeply and you will see how wrong you are....What does God say about the subject?

May Jesus fill us with this love.

After reading what I read from him that you quoted and now reading your post, you just made me laugh basically.

You ask him to tell you what the Bible says, after he quotes you scripture. I think it's a matter that you're not willing to listen to in the first place.

As for the word churchianity , I have to even look that up to see if it is a word. LOL. You remind me of some of those youngsters that come up with words out of the blue that makes people scratch their heads.

Sincerely, bill

 

[Christ4Ever]

I wonder if Catholics have an iron in this fire, considering that marriage is not something that they allow for their priesthood.
Yet, they do allow nuns to teach in their schools, that would include both males & females. (Heavy sigh).



With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Gothedral]

The idea of debating God on this point is how Lucifer's situation went from bad to worse. And (I say) even then, Eve spiritually slayed the dragon. You step on that serpent, Grandmother. haha ️

 

[Bill]

I wonder if Catholics have an iron in this fire, considering that marriage is not something that they allow for their priesthood.
Yet, they do allow nuns to teach in their schools, that would include both males & females. (Heavy sigh).



With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
There's a difference between preaching the Word and teaching the Word.

Teaching the word at a school is not the same thing. Even in colleges of all seminaries you have male and female teachers. So I'm not really sure where you're going with that?

Male and female nuns? I've never heard of a male nun. In this world I have no doubt that there is all sorts of strange things. As I think I've told you that those that are in Rome these days are not the Catholic although they call themselves that. They are definitely not following what the Catholic Church teaches. We do not marry gay people. We do not recognize the gay society as valid in any way. You cannot bless a union that is in sin in the first place.

I think when God talks about the remnant, the remnant is those who still stand with the virtues of Christianity versus everything else out there. As far as the politics goes whether a person is Baptist or Catholic or all the other denominations, that's all by the wayside. The bottom line is that we recognized Jesus as our Lord and savior

 

[Christ4Ever]

I think when God talks about the remnant, the remnant is those who still stand with the virtues of Christianity versus everything else out there.

Exactly, but I would add "In Christ".
How does the dogma of the churches, regardless of which one is talked about, including this thread fit with what you have said?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Bill]

Exactly, but I would add "In Christ".
How does the dogma of the churches, regardless of which one is talked about, including this thread fit with what you have said?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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May Jesus fill us with His love and wisdom.

What you are asking goes back to what i have said about core thinking, and our Love for God.

It wasnt Lucifer's knowledge of God that got him rejected, it was his pride. When Lucifer rejected God, he rejected God's love too

Within all of us, to become the reminant, it is in humility and love. Not in the things that separate us as Christian denominations, but in our love of God and knowing God's ways are above our thinking.

God allows his blessings on all, not just rain, but children. If we accept the fact that all children are blessings, then we must take stock in knowing, God loves all, even on our failures. Even if we do not understand why.

 

[MedicBravo]

The point being that Barak would not go if Deborah did not go. Who is the leader here and who is the follower?
What would a military commander have to do with a non-combatant?
As a retired military member, you don't want non-combatants there because they have a tendency of getting in the way.


You are welcome to address the other aspects as you wish, but I have only one King, and He is King of kings!

I find it interesting how one commentary can motivate one to no end.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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God allowed Juges (not pastors or priests) to rule b/c at that time there were no men up to the standard for leader or king.

Judge and prophet are NOT leaders in the church.

 

[Corn]

I would say that God don't discriminate.
If you are a member of g9vernment and vote, you are a follower of the government. I do not vote. I do not love money. I'm impoverished. To vote, I would have to agree to kill unborn infants or those on death row and I do not judge them, so I do not vote. Government has money and I do not love money either. I will not follow a government that kills and that creates money. Government IS the tax collector, the creator of money and they kill innocent souls. I do not partake.

 

[Corn]

According to an internet search. Please note that this is not an exhaustive list,


Several Christian denominations have come to allow women preachers:

1. Mainline Protestant denominations: Many mainline Protestant denominations, such as the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), the United Methodist Church (UMC), the United Church of Christ (UCC), and the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME), ordain women on all levels
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2. The Salvation Army: The Salvation Army has allowed the ordination of women since its beginning in 1865. Women have held leadership positions and served as preachers within the organization
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3. The Church of the Nazarene: The Church of the Nazarene has ordained women since its foundation in 1908. At that time, a significant percentage of its ordained ministers were women
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4. Some Lutheran denominations: The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS), though more conservative than other Lutheran bodies, is beginning to allow women to preach in regular worship services
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Denominations that Do Not Support Women Preaching:
While many Christian denominations have embraced women in leadership roles, there are still some denominations that do not allow women to serve in the role of pastor or priest. Some of the denominations that do not support women preaching include:

1. Roman Catholic Church: The Roman Catholic Church does not permit the ordination of women as priests
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2. Orthodox Church: The Orthodox Church also does not permit the ordination of women as priests
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3. Southern Baptist Convention (SBC): The Southern Baptist Convention prohibits women from serving as pastors or priests
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4. Some Methodist denominations: Other Methodist denominations, such as the Southern Methodist Church (SMC), Evangelical Methodist Church of America, Fundamental Methodist Conference, Evangelical Wesleyan Church (EWC), and Primitive Methodist Church (PMC), do not ordain women as elders or license them as pastors or local preachers
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5. Some conservative Protestant sects: Certain conservative Protestant sects do not allow women to serve as pastors or priests, even if they may allow them to serve in other roles
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What is your position, not based on your feelings, but based on your interpretation of scripture
and your fellowship with Jesus through the Holy Spirit?

I do not hunt answers anymore. I'm retiring. I believe that if God sends you to do a job, who I to stop you, judge you or question you? I only decide if I believe you.

 

[Corn]

I do not hunt answers anymore. I'm retiring. I believe that if God sends you to do a job, who I to stop you, judge you or question you? I only decide if I believe you.

I do not believe that God discriminates. I do not believe that God calls people to make money. I believe that if God calls you, you don't get paid. ( sorry to disappoint)
I'm a woman, a disabled single mom that never even gets child support. I feel that I'm acting on my own free will.
Was I chosen?
I see corruption. It aches my heart. I try to help. That is my calling. As it get worse, I got more aggressive. As I love more, my heart aches more, I do more. I do not know how a calling to get paid works. Sorry. I would vote that God does not discriminate.

 

[Corn]

Thank you all for helping me. I'm so busy. I'm retiring in January and I'm finish8ng my last litigation up. I've decided that I don't need my identity. I am who I am, and I'm good with whoever I am. I've no title, no proof of genetics of my father.
But I know who I am.
What matters now is who you are.
I'm going back to focus fully on litigation before I retire. Thank you for these insights.

 

[MedicBravo]

I do not believe that God discriminates. I do not believe that God calls people to make money. I believe that if God calls you, you don't get paid. ( sorry to disappoint)
I'm a woman, a disabled single mom that never even gets child support. I feel that I'm acting on my own free will.
Was I chosen?
I see corruption. It aches my heart. I try to help. That is my calling. As it get worse, I got more aggressive. As I love more, my heart aches more, I do more. I do not know how a calling to get paid works. Sorry. I would vote that God does not discriminate.

God gives role to each sex in the church.
If flawed and sometimes ignorant humans call it "discrimination", that's their wrong determination and labeling of it.
How things worked with our Christin forefthers is very different of today. Pastors are paid by the church. That doesn't mean it's not a true calling from God.
I've never claimed to know God's Playbook. Anyone who claims such a thing should be mocked and ridiculed publicly wherever he or shoe goes.

IDK how a church pays its staff but ladies.....pastor is not for you.