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WHO IS THE RESTRAINER ?

BAC I feel you are just not reading my posts.

Every single person on this planet needs to be washed in the blood of the Lamb in order to enter heaven.

In the tribulation this does not take place until they die.

I read them.. they are just wrong.. plain and simple, they are not biblical.
I agree no one gets to heaven without the blood of Jesus. I don't recall disagreeing with that at all.

As for your last point.. yet another completely 100% not even close to the Bible....
No one gets saved "after" they die. No one. You have to make the choice before you die.
 
The key point you are missing is that martyrdom will be a requirement for many in the tribulation.

Rev 2:10 SAYS, Do X and Y and then you will receive a crown.

Rom 10:9 will not matter. Now for those who live now, not in the tribulation, torment and martyrdom are signs of being truly saved, not requirements. Massive difference!!

Hi KingJ, first of all you mention Revelation 2:10 which speaks of the Smyrna church.

But this is what it says:

Rev 2:10
(10) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

This 10 day tribulation has nothing to do with the 7 year tribulation.

The things that are mentioned as happening hereafter, starts in chapter 4, and the 7 seals start in chapter 6.

You can read what happened in church history via these ten days of persecution, which some call ten periods of Roman emperor persecutions.

Another thing you said is this:

KinJ:
Every single person on this planet needs to be washed in the blood of the Lamb in order to enter heaven.

In the tribulation this does not take place until they die.

Right now
, it takes place when we are gifted salvation and can tick Rom 10:9.

The bible says this:

Rev 12:11
(11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This is how we overcome now, and this is how they will overcome then, which this is an event that happens in the tribulation period.

We must be faithful no matter what even unto death, salvation does not change, the key is, is to remain faithful, even to the point of death,

It is always by grace through faith, and to continue in grace through faith, no other way.
 
And lastly you mention how the church has power over the forces of darkness, and not over man, yet you use this argument, via the church being the hinderance towards the revealing of the Antichrist, is not the Antichrist a man ?
You do know there is a difference between the man antichrist and the spirit of antichrist?

The Church has authority over the spirit of antichrist from being revealed as a man until the Church is removed from this earth. This is only true if you believe Jesus gave his Church authority over all the power of our enemy.
 
Taken out of the way, were, or from were ?

2Th 2:7-8
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Were is the "he" taken out of the way from ?

Is it from the earth, is it from the sky, is it from heaven, or from the temple ?

And what is it meaning by being taken out of the way ?

Is it a refrain from being present, or some ability being broken, thus causing something ?
 
You do know there is a difference between the man antichrist and the spirit of antichrist?

The Church has authority over the spirit of antichrist from being revealed as a man until the Church is removed from this earth. This is only true if you believe Jesus gave his Church authority over all the power of our enemy.

Of course there is a difference, but show us were it says that the restraint is about restraining the spirit of Antichrist in Thessalonians ?
 
Of course there is a difference, but show us were it says that the restraint is about restraining the spirit of Antichrist in Thessalonians ?
Is the spirit of antichrist a part of powers of darkness or a part of the Kingdom of light?

If it is from the powers of darkness, then the Church has authority over it.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Show me where the scriptures that says the Church has no power over all the powers of our enemy.
 
Is the spirit of antichrist a part of powers of darkness or a part of the Kingdom of light?

If it is from the powers of darkness, then the Church has authority over it.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Show me where the scriptures that says the Church has no power over all the powers of our enemy.
Well of course the spirit of antichrist is part of the powers of darkness, but I do not why some cannot quote a scripture in Thessalonians, so to match things up?

We are not talking about the book of Luke, we want to know what Thessalonians is actually saying.
 
So what happens when the Antichrist is revealed at the mid point of the tribulation period ?

What is Christ going to get ready to do, or look towards, once this event takes place ?

What is going to happen on earth ?
 
We have to take things in context, the "he" that restrains , is restraining the Antichrist from being revealed, he is not restraining evil from increasing.

For were does it say in Thessalonians that the he is restraining demons ?

Your view is an oversimplification.

Verse 7 "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way."

The lawless system is already active, even though the Antichrist himself hasn't been revealed. The restrainer is holding back more than just the unveiling. He's restraining the full expression and influence of lawlessness and the Antichrist's agenda.

If the Holy Spirit were only preventing a visible revealing, there would be no need to reference the present operation of lawlessness.

Once removed, not only will he be revealed, but he will begin his full operation (verses 9–10) with "all power, signs, and lying wonders''.

Thus, the restrainer is not merely stopping a press release He is holding back a global, supernatural deception and rebellion.
 
You say a lot of things in this post, some stuff I agree, some stuff I would disagree on, but you surely have the timing of the Antichrist's revealing right.
Hi Gerbolski
Thank You for your kind reply.

I know you call the daily sacrifices that the Jews will restart, the sacrifice of Jesus, now yes the old testament sacrifices did point to the eventual one who would be sacrificed, which was Jesus, but it pointed to Jesus in shadow, the sacrifices themselves were not Jesus.
I need to clarify that what I meant, the sacrifice of JESUS it still remains valid until the current time, until today, even after 728.000 24-hour days have passed, understand? The Power of the DAILY sacrifice of JESUS has been and is the RESTRAINER, and it prevents until now the manifestation of the Wicked, the false messiah of the Jews, the little horn in my view, understand? →2Thessalonians 2:8-12, take a look.

On the other hand, there shall not be any restart of sacrifices in Israel, O no, quite the opposite, actually a FALSE LAMB will be enthroned in the great city of Jerusalem in the MIDST of the last week, it is he the MAN Beast of the earth →Revelation 13:11-18 combined with John 5:43-47, take a look. When this SATANIC EVENT comes to happen, then the sacrifice of JESUS, thatis the RESTRAIN, will be taken out of the way, that is, it will be abolished forever (2Thessalonians 2:7), the Dispensation of Grace, the second Covenant, the Covenant of the New Testament, ends, it gets to the end for everlasting time. The period of ETERNAL PERDITION starts. -> Daniel 12:11.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days-Daniel 12:12 combined with Revelation 7:9-10 and 13 to 17.

Yes the Antichrist will end the sacrifices, and you are right that this happens at the middle point of the tribulation, but the sacrifices themselves, are animals, or lambs.

The "he" who now letteth is an "he".

One interesting scripture that you mentioned was this one:

Dan 8:9-11
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
(10) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

The little horn points to the Antichrist, which is known as the man of sin, the son of perdition, and his number is the number of a man, which is 666.
But this man of sin, will one day be possessed by the dragon Satan at the mid point of tribulation, you can almost say they shall become as one.

Rev 12:9
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So there is an aspect of things which points to Satan in some cases in Daniel, such as the place of his sanctuary being cast down.

Just thought I would mention that.

Yes, with the establishment of the abomination of desolation by/through the false lamb-Revelation 13:11, the dragon, the red dragon-Revelation 12:9, the MAN of sin, son of perdition-2Thessalonians 2:3-4, the antichrist, then the sacrifice of JESUS is taken out of the way→(2Ths.2:7), the validity of JESUS’ sacrifice on the cross ends with the establishment of the demonic event of the abomination of desolation-Daniel 12:11 and also 11:31-36, take a look.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-14

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (John 1:10-14)

11 And for this cause GOD shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: →(BELIEVE IN THE FALSE LAMB, FALSE MESSIAH->THE DEVIL, the dragon.

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to GOD for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because GOD hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. →(Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on)

GET READY => The glory which shall be revealed-->IN US -> sons of GOD <= | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.org )

NOTE

After the fall and dissolution of the universal Roman Empire, no other universal Empire has risen until today, but now, from now on, according to the prophecy, the establishment and development of the fifth Universal and satanic Empire, the Antichrist's Empire, will take place. The Antichrist's Kingdom is figured in the FEET and 10 TOES of the Nebuchadnezar’s statue, it has not been fulfilled yet, but will be from now on.

We are living EXACTLY the time period of the feet and 10 TOES of the great statue and the king's dream will LITERALLY be fulfilled concerning the fifith and last EMPIRE of the Devil from now on, ACTUALLY THE FIFITH OF THE HELLS.

In the other hand, the universal Empire of Antichrist which will be established in the days ahead, it will be also a DIVIDED KINGDOM formed by Gentiles and Jewish religious powers, IRON mixed with POTTERs' CLAY->Isaiah 64:8 among others, CATHOLICISM GUIDED AND RULED by an American Pope, and JUDAISM guided and ruled by the little horn, the Jewish esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah, but they will not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Daniel 2:40-45

40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the GOD of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great GOD hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us, and give us His protection until the day 1.335

Amen
 
Them that be taken

2Th 2:7-8
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

It seems that many agree that the Antichrist gets revealed at the mid point of the tribulation, when he marches into the temple; and Thessalonians actually mentions this event.

2Th 2:4
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And there are a few things that get taken out of the way, in some form, at this very period, or close to it.

There are the two witnesses that get taken out of the way, but it seems to happen after the Antichrist starts his persecution, then there is these verses:

Dan 8:11-12
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
(12) And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.


Here are verses that go along with this:

Dan 8:25
(25) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The prince of the host, seems to refer to the Prince of princes, which is Jesus Christ.

Which the word host means a mass of persons, army, company, soldiers etc.

So it is the prince of the host in Heaven, most likely the angels.

And the Antichrist being given an host against the daily sacrifices, refers to an earthly army.

And then in verse 11, it actually uses the word taken away via the daily sacrifices.

And Thessalonians uses the words: "Taken out of the way".

Now I do not believe that the daily sacrifices being taken out of the way, is this "he" who now letteth, but nevertheless, interesting wording, and it does fit the timeline.

But is there another one, at this very time, that gets taken out of the way ? We have mentioned 2 here that is close to the timing, but is there another one ?

Yes there is, and I am trying to get people to think outside the box they are used to thinking in.
 
The false peace maker

Dan 8:25
(25) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Like I said before, at first the Antichrist comes as man of peace, but then breaks his peace treaty, and it says that by peace he shall destroy many.

So a false treaty is signed, but then he breaks the treaty and magnifies himself above God and Christ, at that point he shows his true colors, and he is the man on the white horse which is mentioned in one of the seals, comes as a man of peace, but in heart he shall be for war.
 
Interesting verses

Dan 8:9
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Dan 8:11-12
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
(12) And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

I do not know if this will help us inch closer to the truth, but I found these words very interesting: "it cast down the truth to the ground".

Was meditating on these words, and had various thoughts on it, and checked many commentaries, until it clicked with me what it is pointing to.

The "it" refers to the little horn, and this little horn cast down the truth to the ground.

How ? By magnifying himself even to the prince of the host, he makes himself the prince, the Messiah, the Christ, and thus basically tramples under his feet the truth of Jesus being the Messiah, he is casting the truth under his feet, by his action, casting it to the ground as if truth does not matter, and his ways in some form or manner shall practice and prosper.

But also he removes something that can point to Christ, which are the sacrifices (which is not needed at this point, for Christ already died), and replaces that, with the image of the beast.
 
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Things concerning the beast (little horn), the dragon (Satan)

Dan 8:24
(24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Rev 13:4
(4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Who gives power unto the little horn or beast ?

The dragon which is Satan.

Dan 8:9-11
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
(10) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

It calls this little horn "it" 2 times, in these verses mentioned up above.

And it says it waxed great even to the host of Heaven.

And the prince of the host in heaven, is the prince of peace, which is Jesus.

And the host in heaven, are the angels in heaven.

It says that the little horn cast down some of the host and of the stars in heaven to the ground, and stamped upon them.

And sometimes angels are called stars in the bible, and here is an example of that:

Rev 12:4
(4) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Now concerning the dragon, which Revelation 12:4 is referring to, it speaks here of him drawing the third part of the stars of heaven, and caused them to be cast to the earth.

This verse 4 speaks of Satan's first casting down, which happened near the time to when he entered the snake to deceive Eve, and further in Revelation 12, it speaks of a future casting down..

And when the time Jesus would be born, he would seek to have the child killed as soon as it was born.

And under old covenant times, and even our new covenant times, Satan no longer has complete access to heaven, except in a limited fashion, so to accuse believers before the Father.

But there is a future time, to were that access will be completely cut off.

Let us get back to our Daniel verses.

Dan 8:9-11
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
(10) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.


So the little horn waxes great, even to the host of heaven, and through the one that gives it it's power, Satan, will cause that some of the host and stars will be cast to the ground, thus in a figurative way, stamps upon them.

This speaks of a future casting down, which happens at the mid point of the tribulation period, it speaks of the fallen angels, through the defiance of Satan, being caused to no longer have access to heaven so to accuse the brethren, and remember in Job, it shows that Satan came among the sons of God plural.

So in a figurative sense, he stamps upon them, for he causes them to lose there access to heaven, therefore being stamped to the earth or ground.

And it says that the place of "his" sanctuary shall be cast down.

The word Sanctuary means many things:

(Strong's concordance, word sanctuary)

(H4720
מִקְּדָשׁ מִקְדָּשׁ
miqdâsh miqqedâsh
mik-dawsh', mik-ked-awsh'
From H6942; a consecrated thing or place, especially a palace, sanctuary (whether of Jehovah or of idols) or asylum: - chapel, hallowed part, holy place, sanctuary.
Total KJV occurrences: 75)


Not sure exactly in what way it is using the word sanctuary here, but we know that Satan's access to the holy place called heaven, even in his remote access to it, will no longer be available, and he begins to set up his idol in the temple, his sanctuary sort of speak, gets cast down.
 
Dan 8:9-11
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
(10) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

It is possible that Satan tries to make the little access he has of heaven, his sanctuary, but obviously fails, and cannot, therefore he makes the earthly temple his sanctuary, through the placing of the image of the beast, which pleases the Antichrist and the dragon.
 
A future casting down ? ? ?
Rev 12:7-9
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Before Satan gets cast out, a war in heaven occurs.

But once cast out, and no longer having access to heaven, this is what the dragon does:

Rev 12:13
(13) And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

The woman is Israel, and once Satan is cast out, he persecutes Israel, in fact he enters into the Antichrist, and possesses him, and thus through him, persecutes Israel.

It is at this time of possession, that the Antichrist shows his true colors, and people see who he truly is.
 
I read them.. they are just wrong.. plain and simple, they are not biblical.
I agree no one gets to heaven without the blood of Jesus. I don't recall disagreeing with that at all.

As for your last point.. yet another completely 100% not even close to the Bible....
No one gets saved "after" they die. No one. You have to make the choice before you die.

No BAC, you avoid direct questions. You dance around them. By avoiding direct questions you show that you are biased. A non rapture belief goes hand in hand with a non-OSAS belief. You must prove yourself to God. Being saved right now is not enough. Heresy.

Your teaching is 100% unbiblical. You just '''say'' mine is. You cannot rebut it. I gave you four accusation of your non-OSAS belief that incriminate God as unjust and partial. You danced around them. Now again, you dance around a very clear and direct question I posed to you.

I repeat, YES or NO answer please:

Do you believe Rom 10:9 especially the part that says ''you will be saved'' applies to those who already have the mark of the beast?

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FYI @B-A-C, when you push a belief that incriminates God, it is unbiblical. As we have Psalm 145:17 and Job 34:12.

If someone accuses your belief of misrepresenting and incriminating God, you should take the accusations rather seriously.

A non-rapture belief also incriminates God. I raised my reasons for this in the thread I previously created. But I will not rehash them. Let's first try get over the fact that Rom 10:9 and Rev 20:4 are mutually exclusive.
 
Hi KingJ, first of all you mention Revelation 2:10 which speaks of the Smyrna church.

But this is what it says:

Rev 2:10
(10) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

This 10 day tribulation has nothing to do with the 7 year tribulation.

The things that are mentioned as happening hereafter, starts in chapter 4, and the 7 seals start in chapter 6.

You can read what happened in church history via these ten days of persecution, which some call ten periods of Roman emperor persecutions.

You need to be careful in asking AI to help you. I assume you also believe Matt 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD?

No, I don't agree for these reasons:

1. You missed the part in Rev 2:10 that says ''the devil shall cast some of you into prison''.
2. We have Rev 6:9-11 and Rev 20:4 that make the same argument.

If you don't like Rev 2:10, used either of the other two. Let me know when the goal posts are stationary.

Another thing you said is this

The bible says this:

Rev 12:11
(11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This is how we overcome now, and this is how they will overcome then, which this is an event that happens in the tribulation period.

We must be faithful no matter what even unto death, salvation does not change, the key is, is to remain faithful, even to the point of death,

It is always by grace through faith, and to continue in grace through faith, no other way.

Incorrect.

Rom 10:9 If you A. declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and B. believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

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I propose you also take a stab at the question I posed BAC, that way you will see my point.

YES or NO answer please:

Do you believe Rom 10:9 especially the part that says ''you will be saved'' applies to those who already have the mark of the beast?
 
You need to be careful in asking AI to help you. I assume you also believe Matt 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD?

No, I don't agree for these reasons:

1. You missed the part in Rev 2:10 that says ''the devil shall cast some of you into prison''.
2. We have Rev 6:9-11 and Rev 20:4 that make the same argument.

If you don't like Rev 2:10, used either of the other two. Let me know when the goal posts are stationary.



Incorrect.

Rom 10:9 If you A. declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and B. believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

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I propose you also take a stab at the question I posed BAC, that way you will see my point.

YES or NO answer please:

Do you believe Rom 10:9 especially the part that says ''you will be saved'' applies to those who already have the mark of the beast?

Wow a lot of weirdness here, Matthew 24, says many things, the disciples asked a few questions.

Mat 24:2-3
(2) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
(3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The disciples asked 3 things, when shall these things be, that is the destruction of the temple, and when shall be the sign of is coming, and the end of the world.

The sign of his coming refers to the second coming which there will be things leading towards that.

I believe that from Matthew 24:4-20, it is both referring to future (has not happened yet), and the time of A.D. 70, which leads to the destruction of the temple, and that Matthew 24:21-31, is strictly future, referring to the las half of the tribulation period, leading to the second coming.

Matthew 24:4-20 is a dual prophecy.

As concerning Romans which says this:

Rom 10:9
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

And your question was that if I believe that "you will be saved" applies to those who have already received the mark of the beast?

Well once you receive the mark of the beast, you have no chance at salvation for scriptures declare that, so I find it a little bit of an odd question.

And concerning overcoming Satan by the blood of the Lamb and the words of our testimony, do you not know what the blood is for ?

Rom 5:9-10
(9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
Kingj we are suppose to believe all scripture, and not pit one scripture against another.

We are called to believe this:

Rev 14:9-11
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

And we are called to believe this:

Rom 10:9
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
 
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