One thing that upsets me beyond any measure...

[zeth4500]

ill start off by saying that im smart, too smart for my own good. much smarter than i ever needed to be
i know im way beyond what most people can ever figure out, and i cant judge a fish for not being good at climbing trees
but i dug into this, stupidity really pisses me off, not stupidity of like, people voting for the "wrong candidate" because thats not objective, but people just doing things that are simply illogical and wrong
i have a coworker, pure black. strong. but humble. he asks a lot of questions. he knows hes dumb. he jokes about his color. and i really love this guy for seemingly, his humbleness, and its very rare someone is not smart and is also humble
ive tracked it down to that i hate the pride in stupid people who wont learn and wont listen
is this the spirit of christ in me? i also get very pissed when i see sin- or well more so frustrated. today i had to leave church early because they neglected matthew 21:12 and started doing auction in church
the few times i spoke to professional psychologists about my anger issues they remained adamant that my anger issues arent really a problem but puts focus on something that is - and sure people having too much pride to learn or to listen or to acknowledge someone else is ahead of them that is a big problem - but is it a sin to be angry? is it righteous anger?

ive noticed before things where for instance- im introverted. turns out im not really im just very selective, i can talk for many hours with the right person. i dont hate stupid people, im astoundingly impressed with the dumbest guy ive ever worked with despite i can see his brain is melting when we throw a new task at him, but hes so humble and kind about it

 

[joestue]

This doesnt really sound like righteous anger to me. Not sure how to help you other than you seem to lack compassion in a few areas.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Hello @zeth4500
My dad came immediately to mind after reading your post. lol
He died when I was 10, so my perspective of him is really limited to how a child views adults. First, he was a believer, but only came to it when he was in his 60's. This was the only man that I knew, and what I knew was that he would read the Bible in bed after a long day at work, before going to sleep. I never caught him putting it down, because I would fall asleep before he did. However, the one thing that did get him angry, was the hypocrisy of people in the church. I would call him a man's man, so, when he'd see people who he knew were ungodly folks, in church, lifting their hands, and praising God, as if they shouldn't be on their knees begging forgiveness instead, it would drive him to leave. He let my mom know all this, and she accepted this from him, being a Godly woman as well.

Anyway, I guess the adage that the church is for the sick, and it was good that they were there, but to make it a mockery of why one is there is not. For the auction, I would get with the pastor, and find out the why's of having it, and how scripturally it's something that is okay to do in church. If he turns it back on you, meaning that there must be something wrong with you, instead of explaining the why's. Well, I guess I'd start looking for another church to go to. One that would likely fit with trying to make the church a place where one would worship, learn, study the Word of God and hopefully practice it as well in truth.

I've been angry as well, at times, and what I've done is pray a lot, and keep telling myself, that but for the grace of God, there go I! Continue to show the Love of Christ even to the fallen, and those who do you wrong.

John 16:33 - I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world."

Romans 12:19-21 - Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say, "I will take revenge; I will pay them back," says the LORD. 20 Instead, "If your enemies are hungry, feed them. If they are thirsty, give them something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals of shame on their heads." 21 Don't let evil conquer you, but conquer evil by doing good.

When it comes to seeing yourself as smart and others as less so, even if your words aren't intended to be harmful, using such terms to describe others can come across as prideful, regardless of the reasoning behind it. Practicing humility is always a good approach, especially since someone wise would likely understand what the Word of God teaches about the subject.

Well, I don’t consider myself particularly smart and always try to stay humble. After all, when I compare myself to others, reflecting on how I measure up to my Lord and Savior Jesus is a humbling reminder that keeps me grounded. You've also come to see how this is true, by that big humble black man that you work with as I've come to see it too with a disabled, blind young man who barely stands 4' 10", that I take home from church on Sundays. God does bring certain people in our lives, not only to help, but to learn from as well.

I hope you find peace in knowing that you're not alone when it comes to anger, but also remember not to let it take over to the point where the love of Christ takes a backseat to how you carry yourself in front of others. Change is a process, that isn't always quick or painless. Praying for you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[zeth4500]

Well, I guess I'd start looking for another church to go to.

its even worse in the sorrounding churches, all female priests
i really doubt theres a more godforsaken place than this, ive looked online for like christian groups but absolutely zero for the entire country
any time you enter a church you see young people forced to go there by school and people old enough that they probably picked their coffin already

but yes he will probably ask us why we left early next time and ill tell him matthew 21:12 not that it will do much, hes a "yes" type of guy, masculinity is a starved concept in christianity.

I hope you find peace in knowing that you're not alone when it comes to anger, but also remember not to let it take over to the point where the love of Christ takes a backseat to how you carry yourself in front of others.

yep only thing i can do for the people who work against me is to pray after telling them the truth, i deal with some very hostile people including a muslim at my job and i have to repack the truths of the bible when talking to him and in talk we agree a lot - but those guiding forces that guide most people are really behind the vast majority of people, even the fake christians are guided by these spirits

Not sure how to help you other than you seem to lack compassion in a few areas.

totally, i barely have felt empathy in my entire life but yet for no apparent reason ive always tried to do whats right and ive come to realize i always had the spirit of christ in me because there was nowhere i could take inspiration from to do right and i had no personal incentive to do right, because of this i think theres a lot more real christians who are just confused and atheist than there are real christians identifying as christians so atheists are a viable breed to fish for followers, as we are called to be fishers of men - to follow christ and the truth

 

[Christ4Ever]

Well, I guess I'd start looking for another church to go to.

its even worse in the sorrounding churches, all female priests
i really doubt theres a more godforsaken place than this, ive looked online for like christian groups but absolutely zero for the entire country
any time you enter a church you see young people forced to go there by school and people old enough that they probably picked their coffin already

but yes he will probably ask us why we left early next time and ill tell him matthew 21:12 not that it will do much, hes a "yes" type of guy, masculinity is a starved concept in christianity.

It might at first appear that it shouldn't be having female "priests" (or pastors?), because the argument has always been that there should be men leading congregations. My thought has always been if there are no men willing to fill the gap, and there are women who are willing and able; then I'm all for it, because better the word being preached by a woman, then no preaching or church at all. Always keeping in mind that it will be by the Holy Spirit that the unbeliever will be drawn to Christ, and by hearing of the Word of God.

You might find yourself pleasantly surprised, if you get past the woman as pastor thoughts, and focus on what they are preaching and behaving, as you are doing in the present church you are attending. I'm not going to arguing the point about women in leadership positions, but I'm sure you'll be able to find a thread that exists here on Talk Jesus on the subject if you want to add your perspective as well.

Not knowing the specific country, you are in or city, makes it difficult to offer alternatives by me or others who look into this thread and see your need. Since your bio says "Europe", it can be difficult to help you search for alternatives. Knowing the country might even have some folks aware of house churches. As an example of this, I know one individual in my church who travels to Bulgaria a few times a year and has dealings with a number of house churches that he visits, as a missionary and to support through our own church stateside.

So, with that being said, do not lose hope, because we serve a very resourceful God, who makes a way where there was none before! To His glory and praise! Alleluia! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus, keep the faith brother!
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Nick
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[zeth4500]

Always keeping in mind that it will be by the Holy Spirit that the unbeliever will be drawn to Christ, and by hearing of the Word of God.

sure, but what we do must be in the walk of christ. likewise we cannot have a homosexual preacher, or a satanist preacher who are very obviously in rebellion with the very thing we claim to worship - its a far extreme as being a woman isnt a sin just being a woman, but as for the bible we must always follow the rules. i recall a verse explaining that we must worship correctly as it would be considered a sin to do it wrongfully, this was in relation to following pagan traditions

You might find yourself pleasantly surprised, if you get past the woman as pastor thoughts, and focus on what they are preaching and behaving, as you are doing in the present church you are attending.

i once attended church where a female pastor was there and her preach was just worldly vomit, regurgigated television nonsense, propaganda at best and i was eager for her to finish talking

I'm not going to arguing the point about women in leadership positions

my wifes own perspective on this is that its a bad idea regardless, her worst experiences were women who held authority and in other cultures women arent even allowed to enter temples or any holy areas during a particular time of the month relating to uh, her personal stuff. as its believed blood is tied to evil spirits and i recall this tie as well long back, the evil spirits are parasites and blood holds strong energy as is why they like people to draw blood

Knowing the country might even have some folks aware of house churches.

i would be surprised if we have a single other person from my country. we went to another church today and found it that the priest drives an electric car which seems innocent at first, but all those who drive electric cars are avid followers of the world as this is a narrative they push all over social medias and television

there was one church leader who spoke the truth but he was harassed so badly he tried to migrate to USA proving how he had been harassed by groups of people but was turned down due to him being christian, which the powers that be really despise

So, with that being said, do not lose hope, because we serve a very resourceful God, who makes a way where there was none before! To His glory and praise! Alleluia! \o/

amen to that, there are always a church we can go to without a female priest- and we dont NEED the priest to be preaching important christian points or to actually believe in the bible, but we would prefer that.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Always keeping in mind that it will be by the Holy Spirit that the unbeliever will be drawn to Christ, and by hearing of the Word of God.

sure, but what we do must be in the walk of christ. likewise we cannot have a homosexual preacher, or a satanist preacher who are very obviously in rebellion with the very thing we claim to worship - its a far extreme as being a woman isnt a sin just being a woman, but as for the bible we must always follow the rules. i recall a verse explaining that we must worship correctly as it would be considered a sin to do it wrongfully, this was in relation to following pagan traditions

That is why I said the following as well which I will now bold to show you what I mean.

You might find yourself pleasantly surprised, if you get past the woman as pastor thoughts, and focus on what they are preaching and behaving, as you are doing in the present church you are attending.

That is why discernment is important, and continued study of God's Word. Gosh, there are churches out there that allow for the smoking of weed (marijuana), which they say uplifts their spirit to worship and praise, as a way of justifying smoking it! That is why I also mentioned if there are no men doing the leading/preaching, then better a Godly woman doing so, then it be neglected totally.

i once attended church where a female pastor was there and her preach was just worldly vomit, regurgigated television nonsense, propaganda at best and i was eager for her to finish talking

I probably would have left immediately, kicking the dirt from my shoes as I left! That is why discernment and using the Word of God as a prism for determining the right of what you are hearing!

Knowing the country might even have some folks aware of house churches.

i would be surprised if we have a single other person from my country. we went to another church today and found it that the priest drives an electric car which seems innocent at first, but all those who drive electric cars are avid followers of the world as this is a narrative they push all over social medias and television

there was one church leader who spoke the truth but he was harassed so badly he tried to migrate to USA proving how he had been harassed by groups of people but was turned down due to him being christian, which the powers that be really despise

You might be surprised, but if you don't want to say the country in open forum, you are welcome to send me a Private Message (PM), in which I will respect your privacy to not communicating it to anyone else. It is solely to see if through the body of Christ there might be one that might know. Even in China, which is quite repressive, and even in the Middle East in Muslim countries, there are possibilities. Though the more restrictive, even greater care, and prayer, with Holy Spirit guidance is needed. You are never along Brother! I mean besides your wife too! Count that a true blessing!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[zeth4500]

That is why I said the following as well which I will now bold to show you what I mean.

i get what youre saying that an initiate can decode truth from anywhere in the world, from any context if you look deeply enough you will see the fingerprint of god, yes- but the bible does not want us to enable sinners and especially not let sinners be our leaders. theres a very particular reason that theres requirements for priests- because they have a responsibility, to preach truth that doesnt have hidden evils intertwined in it. in a lot of pop music, you might think its innocent but play it backwards and study it very closely and you will find demons whispering to you in it, im certain the devil also does similar through the repentless

Gosh, there are churches out there that allow for the smoking of weed (marijuana),

theres even churches where they preach LGBT and .. naturally, all the pastors there are female. in other cultures women are excluded from society and especially holy places during period as they understand that evil spirits are especially present in women around these days. demons are drawn to blood. emotional instability makes you an easy prey for demons as well. these are not qualities you want put in preacher position in a church and should not be supported by any means, i would say direct offensive is more holy in such situation than passivity

2 Corinthians 6:14
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"

kicking the dirt from my shoes as I left!

amen

as for house churches- even the offgrid people here gobble up TV filth all day long as if it was their god, the very few that do try to live offgrid. this is advanced darkness im situated in. ive only come across one serious christian in my country and that was through online apart from that i havent .. become aware of a single real christian here and thats with going to all the churches in nearby area i can - well maybe the serbian orthodox, but they dont mess around unlike the protestants.

you are welcome to send me a Private Message (PM)

oh sure, yea ill do.

im finding one great issue with the few christians that are left behind- every man has been feminized, and no one can preach in a bold way as they did back in the day. theres a hardcore confidence lacking, a masculine core lacking - the chicken or the egg? i like to believe its for so many reasons, but not to forget the sugarcoated christianity the world has been misled to follow so greatly, which shouldnt affect the true believers but it rubs off still

 

[Brad Huber]

ill start off by saying that im smart, too smart for my own good. much smarter than i ever needed to be
i know im way beyond what most people can ever figure out, and i cant judge a fish for not being good at climbing trees
but i dug into this, stupidity really pisses me off, not stupidity of like, people voting for the "wrong candidate" because thats not objective, but people just doing things that are simply illogical and wrong
i have a coworker, pure black. strong. but humble. he asks a lot of questions. he knows hes dumb. he jokes about his color. and i really love this guy for seemingly, his humbleness, and its very rare someone is not smart and is also humble
ive tracked it down to that i hate the pride in stupid people who wont learn and wont listen
is this the spirit of christ in me? i also get very pissed when i see sin- or well more so frustrated. today i had to leave church early because they neglected matthew 21:12 and started doing auction in church
the few times i spoke to professional psychologists about my anger issues they remained adamant that my anger issues arent really a problem but puts focus on something that is - and sure people having too much pride to learn or to listen or to acknowledge someone else is ahead of them that is a big problem - but is it a sin to be angry? is it righteous anger?

ive noticed before things where for instance- im introverted. turns out im not really im just very selective, i can talk for many hours with the right person. i dont hate stupid people, im astoundingly impressed with the dumbest guy ive ever worked with despite i can see his brain is melting when we throw a new task at him, but hes so humble and kind about it

I used to be a really smart kid, ppl were impressed by my words and ideas. Like you, I tended to be angry alot, but mostly because I was a nerd and very often abused both verbally and physically by alot of guys and some girls. I was also a pacifist and fearful of others which kind of made it worse. I was made to attend church until I turned 12 and then let to decide myself what I wanted to believe or continue going to church. I immediately quit church which I considered it at best a place which had nice fairy tales. I knew that I already had a better idea how to treat others and was smarter than most other people. I decided I was agnostic, as in there might be a God, but certainly not the God of the bible. When I turned 19 years of age and me wondering what kind of college I would attend for the area I was interested in... I had a God moment that led me to believe in God. One of the first things I had to do, that I was led by the Holy Spirit to do, was to NOT go into the field of research that I had planned to do, that if I did, other people more powerful than me (money and influence wise) would use me for their own purpose and that my research would be used for evil. So I sort of asked God what He wanted me to do then, as my personal direction in life was ruined. The Holy Spirit made me realize that I was to join the military. And I rebelled against that due to being a pacifist, but that only lasted a few days. The power of the Holy Spirit compelled me alot. So I chose the least violent to me military service, the air force. I was in the air force for 8 1/2 years, and it truly was good for me, as I became alot less afraid other others and slowly came to realize that wisdom is 10x better than intelligence. People will control an intelligent person, but cannot control the mind of a man dedicated to wisdom. Lots has happened since then.

All this to say, intelligence isnt what its cracked up to be, its certainly good, but without wisdom to temper it, it can hurt you more than help you. Part of wisdom is to know that people have different strengths and weaknesses, and those who are a bit dumber probably have some skills that they outshine you on, but that you are simply unaware of them.

 

[KingJ]

The vast majority of people are smart. It is mostly only a matter of using what you have been given.

All mankind is created just beneath the angels Heb 2:7.

Life is all about finding God and then His purpose for your life. He has a path He wants you to walk. Smart people would know to trust Him and walk it.

 

[zeth4500]

All this to say, intelligence isnt what its cracked up to be, its certainly good

yes it gives you capacity to comprehend things and learn really fast, and give you issues with those who are 2 standard deviations below you
but combined with wisdom you will quickly catch up to whats going on below peoples skin, and inside their souls when combined yet again with the bible
i was suggested to go to the military as well but not by the holy spirit, by a man that went there and quickly rose to the top just to drop out as he proved himself to him, and that was really just his goal. since we are much alike he thought i could easily do the same as he did - i picked welding instead as i believe having wisdom in crafts will be more important for whats to come

The vast majority of people are smart.

i totally disagree, by far most people are living on autopilot programmed by the devil, hylics is a term that has been used to describe the general population, cattle, useless eaters the rich people call them. smart would have to be at least 100 IQ, and i would say at least 115 and still that doesnt shake the group mentality much
people are however good at being what they are, like a chicken- seems very stupid but theyre very good at being chickens, they will find and eat a worm before you can even blink your eyes

Smart people would know to trust Him and walk it.

i would say wise rather fits, a bit pedantic but i think the difference is very important.
most intelligent folks will reject christianity first up, and most wont puzzle enough together to accept it as the truth later on.
"The first sip of the cup will make you atheist, the rest wont"

 

[KingJ]

i totally disagree, by far most people are living on autopilot programmed by the devil, hylics is a term that has been used to describe the general population, cattle, useless eaters the rich people call them. smart would have to be at least 100 IQ, and i would say at least 115 and still that doesnt shake the group mentality much
people are however good at being what they are, like a chicken- seems very stupid but theyre very good at being chickens, they will find and eat a worm before you can even blink your eyes

i would say wise rather fits, a bit pedantic but i think the difference is very important.
most intelligent folks will reject christianity first up, and most wont puzzle enough together to accept it as the truth later on.
"The first sip of the cup will make you atheist, the rest wont"

Every single person on this planet outside of mentally handicapped have been blessed with high intelligence and a really advanced brain.

That all don't use it as much as others is a completely separate topic.

IQ tests measure cognitive abilities. They are not a good indicator of intelligence. They don't measure things like 1. Creativity, 2. Emotional intelligence, 3. Practical problem-solving, 4. Motivation or curiosity, 5. Social skills, 6. Cultural knowledge or experience, 7. Resilience, grit, or adaptability.

You’ll find that some people excel in certain subjects, mostly due to personal interest. They may seem uninformed in one area but be highly knowledgeable in another.

 

[zeth4500]

That all don't use it as much as others is a completely separate topic.

in that sense. yes we are very capable. i mean look at the architecture on churches and just general houses back when we had only dirt as tools
and now they want to buzz peoples brains so that they can use more of their brains, using electronics and what not