Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[Dylan569]

Justified solely by His Death !

That those Christ died for are Justified solely by His death, apart from any obedience from them He died for, is a Truth taught in scripture and is part of the Gospel of God which Paul Preached Rom 1:1. One such scripture is Rom 5:19, this verse teaches that by the obedience of ONE, that One being Jesus Christ, That Obedience being His Death Phil 2:8;Heb 2:9, that many shall be made Righteous [ That's Saved] Now what is Plainer than that ? To be declared Righteous is Justification and it is Salvation which is effected solely by Christ's Obedience which is His Death.

Now the OT counterpart of the same Gospel Truth is here Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

They are being Justified or accounted Righteous here as a result of His Knowledge and Bearing their sins, which is the same as His Obedience of One in Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Now some will say that it says in Isa 53:11, by His Knowledge shall my Righteous Servant Justify many, but that matters not, nor does it detract from the plain stated truth, for its not by the sinners knowledge that He shall Justify many, but by His Own Knowledge He shall do it. Now since this verse is the OT counterpart to Rom 5:19, His Knowledge in Isa 53:11 is His experiential knowledge in that by the things He suffered, He Learned Obedience Heb 5:8

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

The word learned here is the greek word manthanō:

I.to learn, be apprised
A.
to increase one's knowledge, to be increased in knowledge

B.
to hear, be informed

C.
to learn by use and practice
i.
to be in the habit of, accustomed to

Also the word for obedience here in Heb 5:8 is the same one in Rom 5:19.

What He learned was Knowledge. His being acquainted with grief was learned knowledge as Per Isa 53:3

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

The word acquainted, the Hebrew yada is the root word for Knowledge in Isa 53:11 and it does mean to know by experience.

Now all this goes to show the Gospel Truth, that by His Death alone, all those He died for are accounted Righteous before God's Law and Justice, BEFORE THEY BELIEVE ! In fact before they are born sinners. To deny this is to deny the Gospel of God, it deny's the Death of Christ, which leaves one without any other hope of Salvation ! 8

Brother B, in line with your line of thought in this thread, the NEB Oxford Study Bible and the Cambridge Bible on Rom. 4:25, read as follow:

“But God, rich in mercy, for the great love he bore us, brought us to life with Christ even when we were dead in our sins; it is by his grace you are saved…For it is by his grace you are saved, through trusting him; it is not your own doing. It is God's gift, not a reward for work done. There is nothing for anyone to boast of. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to devote ourselves to the good deeds for which God has designed us.” (Eph. 2:4-5, 8-10, New English Bible)

Annotation from the NEB Oxford Study Bible –
“8-10 The emphasis on grace is in conformity with Paul’s teaching. But the view here (and in v. 5) that salvation is already accomplished diverges from normal Pauline thought in which salvation belongs to the future (Rom. 5.10)”

When I read the Rom. 5:9-11, I do not see how it “diverges”, as in the NEB it reads:

“9And so, since we have now been justified by Christ's sacrificial death, we shall all the more certainly be saved through him from final retribution. 10For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life!” (Rom. 5:9-10, NEB)

If we back up to Rom. 4.25 in the YLT we read the text and then the Cambridge Bible commentary:

“who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous.” (Rom 4:25, YLT)

Cambridge Bible
for our offences] Lit. because of our offences; “because we had offended.” Such is the natural meaning of the Gr. The fact of our sins demanded, for their just remission, nothing less than the Lord’s Death.
for our justification] Lit. because of our Justification. The construction is identical. This, and the balance of the clauses, seem to demand the exposition: “He was raised, because our justification was effected;” not, “in order to give us justification,” as many interpret it. The parallel is complete: “We sinned, therefore He suffered: we were justified, therefore He rose.”

 

[Garee]

Justified solely by His Death !

That those Christ died for are Justified solely by His death, apart from any obedience from them He died for, is a Truth taught in scripture and is part of the Gospel of God which Paul Preached Rom 1:1. One such scripture is Rom 5:19, this verse teaches that by the obedience of ONE, that One being Jesus Christ, That Obedience being His Death Phil 2:8;Heb 2:9, that many shall be made Righteous [ That's Saved] Now what is Plainer than that ? To be declared Righteous is Justification and it is Salvation which is effected solely by Christ's Obedience which is His Death.

Now the OT counterpart of the same Gospel Truth is here Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

They are being Justified or accounted Righteous here as a result of His Knowledge and Bearing their sins, which is the same as His Obedience of One in Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Now some will say that it says in Isa 53:11, by His Knowledge shall my Righteous Servant Justify many, but that matters not, nor does it detract from the plain stated truth, for its not by the sinners knowledge that He shall Justify many, but by His Own Knowledge He shall do it. Now since this verse is the OT counterpart to Rom 5:19, His Knowledge in Isa 53:11 is His experiential knowledge in that by the things He suffered, He Learned Obedience Heb 5:8

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

The word learned here is the greek word manthanō:

I.to learn, be apprised
A.
to increase one's knowledge, to be increased in knowledge

B.
to hear, be informed

C.
to learn by use and practice
i.
to be in the habit of, accustomed to

Also the word for obedience here in Heb 5:8 is the same one in Rom 5:19.

What He learned was Knowledge. His being acquainted with grief was learned knowledge as Per Isa 53:3

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

The word acquainted, the Hebrew yada is the root word for Knowledge in Isa 53:11 and it does mean to know by experience.

Now all this goes to show the Gospel Truth, that by His Death alone, all those He died for are accounted Righteous before God's Law and Justice, BEFORE THEY BELIEVE ! In fact before they are born sinners. To deny this is to deny the Gospel of God, it deny's the Death of Christ, which leaves one without any other hope of Salvation ! 8

The word death or dead must be defined according to its spiritual usage in the Bible.

Satan not subject to the gospel has no spiritual understanding it is hid in parables from the father of lies.

I would offer we are redeemed by Christ the pouring out of his Spirit life on dying flesh, pouring it out in jeopardy of his own Holy Spirit life.

Therefore, a living sacrifices no dead. suffered not literally dead wounded not killed never to rise All die not receiving the new ageless incorruptible bodies.

The dynamic duo, The Holy Father and Son of man team

Isaiah 53:4-10 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.;All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
;He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.;He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.;And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.;Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The companion parable of the "bruised heel." Two is the witness God not seen has spoken

Genesis 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The parable of the bruised heel as to its fulfillment of the two prophecies. It Was used during the three days and nights demonstration of the Lamb who was slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did work.

In the parables Christ uses three to denote the end of a manner. Three different demonstrations that work together as one .

The first to fulfil the two prophecies bruising of the heel two working as if one the dynamic dual the Holy Father and Son team

In the garden of Gethsemane to represent to re-entering of the garden of Eden there to fulfil the promise of two that Holy Father began bruising the heel of the Son of man Jesus. Three times suffering unto death Jesus looked for support from the other apostles. Three times the father put them asleep to fulfil the prophecy of dynamic duo two . Three is a crowd part of the second demonstration the hill the bloody husband demonstration as a sign to the whole world. Giving the illusion a satn inspired crowd did the work of salvation in a hope they wil be drawn by the gospel of the bruised heel

Mathew 26:39-45;Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me;And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.nbsp;And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.nbsp;And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Romans emphasizes the understnding of the parable bruised heel

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Then demonstration three the tomb the demonstration of faith (the unseen eternal things of God)

The Holy Father removing the grave clothes and rolled back the stone finishing the three days and nights demonstrations

The bloody husband the more popular of the three .

 

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Brother B, in line with your line of thought in this thread, the NEB Oxford Study Bible and the Cambridge Bible on Rom. 4:25, read as follow:

“But God, rich in mercy, for the great love he bore us, brought us to life with Christ even when we were dead in our sins; it is by his grace you are saved…For it is by his grace you are saved, through trusting him; it is not your own doing. It is God's gift, not a reward for work done. There is nothing for anyone to boast of. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to devote ourselves to the good deeds for which God has designed us.” (Eph. 2:4-5, 8-10, New English Bible)

Annotation from the NEB Oxford Study Bible –
“8-10 The emphasis on grace is in conformity with Paul’s teaching. But the view here (and in v. 5) that salvation is already accomplished diverges from normal Pauline thought in which salvation belongs to the future (Rom. 5.10)”

When I read the Rom. 5:9-11, I do not see how it “diverges”, as in the NEB it reads:

“9And so, since we have now been justified by Christ's sacrificial death, we shall all the more certainly be saved through him from final retribution. 10For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life!” (Rom. 5:9-10, NEB)

If we back up to Rom. 4.25 in the YLT we read the text and then the Cambridge Bible commentary:

“who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous.” (Rom 4:25, YLT)

Cambridge Bible
for our offences] Lit. because of our offences; “because we had offended.” Such is the natural meaning of the Gr. The fact of our sins demanded, for their just remission, nothing less than the Lord’s Death.
for our justification] Lit. because of our Justification. The construction is identical. This, and the balance of the clauses, seem to demand the exposition: “He was raised, because our justification was effected;” not, “in order to give us justification,” as many interpret it. The parallel is complete: “We sinned, therefore He suffered: we were justified, therefore He rose.”

Interesting comments

 

[Brightfame52]

Justification without Faith !

Ones Justification before God, if indeed Christ died for them, does not depend on their believing it, apprehending it by Faith, nor receiving it by Faith, in fact they do not even have to know about it at all, and in fact they don't until its revealed to them. The Only thing their Justification before God depended on was this Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

His Knowledge of them, which is foreknowledge and His Suffering Obedience, and He bearing their iniquities, and that's it. By those Two Things they are Justified before God, or as the ESV reads:

Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.

Because of that, their Justification, their being declared Righteous is a done deal eternally. Now, in God's Time, those that its a done deal for, shall have it made known to them by the Gospel, then they shall apprehend that fact by Faith Heb 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Rom 5:1

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

That's what True Justification by Faith means, that ones already done and accomplished Eternal Justification by Christ's Obedience for them, is revealed to them in the Gospel. Rom 1:16-17 !

However they were still eternally Justified before they apprehended it by God given Faith.

 

[Garee]

Justification without Faith !

Ones Justification before God, if indeed Christ died for them, does not depend on their believing it, apprehending it by Faith, nor receiving it by Faith, in fact they do not even have to know about it at all, and in fact they don't until its revealed to them. The Only thing their Justification before God depended on was this Isa 53:11

Faith is a "let there be" work also called a "labor of love" (it was God alone good)

Faith is power to understand the things not seen. . the eternal

Faith as a law "Let there be" is the power of resurrection and "it was good"

The faith of Christ is the work of Christ. Faith "let there be "without works has no power .

James 2:24-26 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.;Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?;For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

To say a person is Justified before God by their believing, or because of their believing, is a flat out denial that one is Justifed by Christ; For there is a difference in what Christ did, and what the person does; Now if we acknowledge that our believing was a assent to the Truth of our Justification before God being already a accomplished fact and a done deal solely by Christ's Blood As Per Rom 5:9, then believing is just a good work and evidence of our Justification before God. For it is written Heb 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Justification before God is the thing not seen by the physical Eye, but it must exist before Faith is the Evidence of it !

Ones now having evidence of it , is not what caused it to exist before God as a fact, prior to receiving evidence of it. 8

 

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The Purification of sin is Justification from it !

Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

The guilt of sin is removed by Justification, becasuse its the declaring of one Not Guilty. When Jesus Christ sat down at the Right Hand of the Majesty on High, it was after completing for those He died for, the purging or purification of their sins. This word purged is the greek word katharismos and means:

cleansing, purification, a ritual purgation or washing
A.
of the washing of the Jews before and after their meals

B.
of levitical purification of women after childbirth

C.
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ


Its a cleansing from the Guilt [before God's Law and Justice] of our sins, by the Sacrifice of Himself on our behalf, if He died for us.

And this means that those He did die for have no guilt of sin before God's Eye of Justice, they are without sin's guilt before Him, and therefore they are faultless, unblameable before Him , Yes Justified. That's why it says this Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

When He was Raised, it was living proof that Purification of our sins before God's Law and Justice, the guilt removed for them, was successful, and consequently they are Justified from the penalty and guilt of them.

This is not accomplished by their believing, but by what Christ did, and then rested from.

Those Christ died for are born into this world as depraved inners, ungodly as can be, yet, because of Christ's Purging their sins and now sitting down next to the Majesty on High, They are Justified, and Unblameable before God. Now I know the religionist cannot receive this Good News, But God's Elect shall receive it by God Given Faith from the New Birth !

 

[Brightfame52]

More on Remission of sins and Justification !

Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Jesus says that in His Name, Repentance and Remission of sins should be preached to all nations.

This is because there are men and women in all nations for whom Christ secured for them that great blessing. How did He do that ? Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Its because His Blood was shed for them, and through that Blood, the Blood of the New Covenant, the have Remission of sins.

Now what does this mean ? The word remission is the greek word aphesis and means:


I.release from bondage or imprisonment

II.forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

As you can see it means forgiveness or pardon of sins. Its translated forgiveness 6 times in the NT to include here Eph 1:7


In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

That redemption through His Blood points back to Matt 26:28, the Blood of the New Covenant or Testament for many !

Now this Remission of sins here by the blood of Christ is first and foremost to be considered judicially or it is a Judicial or Legal act of God, an acquittal before the Court of God's Law and Justice . It means a setting free from the charge of an offense by verdict, sentence, or other legal process

Also the persons so acquitted are to be announced Vindicated or Justified ! Their persons are declared Justified, their sins forgiven, and acquitted from all charges Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

The clear implication is that God has acquitted them, who else can lay any charge against them, because God has Acquitted or Justified them !

God has acquitted and Vindicated from all condemnation, and guilt all for whom Christ has died Rom 8:34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

His dying being also the shedding of His Blood Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

This Blood has made in the Sight of God for them[The Many] a plenteous Satisfaction to His Law and Justice !

And Christ did it for them in His Name, because He did it as their Surety Representative, all He Suffered of the Law and Justice of God, was on their behalf and in their place !

So this Remission of sins has legally, and judicially laid to their account, even when they themselves know nothing of it, and even while they are dead in trespasses and sins, and unbelief ! 8

 

[Brightfame52]

Isa 53:11 " Shall Justify Many"

Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

NT counterpart Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The Isa 53:11 also reads as:

11 He shall see [the fruit] of the travail of His soul and be satisfied; by His knowledge of Himself [which He possesses and imparts to others] shall My [uncompromisingly] righteous One, My Servant, justify many and make many righteous (upright and in right standing with God), for He shall bear their iniquities and their guilt [with the consequences, says the Lord].AMP


Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities. ESV

Now it appears from this scripture Isa 53:11 that all for whom Christ died, which is to bear their iniquities, resulted in them being Justified or accounted Righteous.

However, punishment of sin in and of itself makes no one Righteous, yet it does pay their sin debt to God's Justice, but in order to be declared Righteous as well, God must indeed view us as Righteous, hence we conclude that all for whom He died also had Christ's Righteousness Imputed to them, charged to them, that is His Active Obedience to all of God's Commandments, His Holy Law in Mind, Heart, Soul and Strength !

Note: Some may understand both the passive and active obedience to be all one, which is ok
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[Dylan569]

Isa 53:11 " Shall Justify Many"

Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

NT counterpart Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The Isa 53:11 also reads as:

11 He shall see [the fruit] of the travail of His soul and be satisfied; by His knowledge of Himself [which He possesses and imparts to others] shall My [uncompromisingly] righteous One, My Servant, justify many and make many righteous (upright and in right standing with God), for He shall bear their iniquities and their guilt [with the consequences, says the Lord].AMP


Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities. ESV

Now it appears from this scripture Isa 53:11 that all for whom Christ died, which is to bear their iniquities, resulted in them being Justified or accounted Righteous.

However, punishment of sin in and of itself makes no one Righteous, yet it does pay their sin debt to God's Justice, but in order to be declared Righteous as well, God must indeed view us as Righteous, hence we conclude that all for whom He died also had Christ's Righteousness Imputed to them, charged to them, that is His Active Obedience to all of God's Commandments, His Holy Law in Mind, Heart, Soul and Strength !

Note: Some may understand both the passive and active obedience to be all one, which is ok
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B, I'm happy to see you bring up both the active and the passive obedience of Christ. One verse always struck me as uniquely in the view of Christ's active obedience that is imputed to the elect.

But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now; for it is proper for us in this way to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. (Matt 3:15, NRSV)

For those of God's children who for some reason are not baptized, yet are truly of the elect; Jesus fulfilled that righteousness for them. Being baptized is a command of Christ, so it needs to be obeyed.

 

[Brightfame52]

B, I'm happy to see you bring up both the active and the passive obedience of Christ. One verse always struck me as uniquely in the view of Christ's active obedience that is imputed to the elect.

But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now; for it is proper for us in this way to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. (Matt 3:15, NRSV)

For those of God's children who for some reason are not baptized, yet are truly of the elect; Jesus fulfilled that righteousness for them. Being baptized is a command of Christ, so it needs to be obeyed.

Christ for the elect has obeyed everything needed for them, so they are saved by His Obedience !

 

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Justification an act of God's Grace !

Justification an act of God's Grace Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

in that He Remits or does not impute the sins of the elect, the Church, His Sheep upon them and accepts them as Righteous :

Being treated as if righteous; that is, being regarded and treated as if they had kept the Law. Barnes Notes

Not in themselves are they considered Righteous, but in His Sight by Redemption through Christ and Imputed Righteousness, which however in time will be received by them by God given Faith from New Birth.

This Justification is Threefold, #1 Its in Eternity or from Eternity, in that Christ before the world began, was made a Surety for all those Chosen in Him, His Seed, He therefore by Surety pledge took their trespasses [to be committed in time] upon Himself.

The Surety principle is here stated Prov 6:1

My son, if thou be surety for thy friend, if thou hast stricken thy hand with a stranger,

Christ in this case engaged Himself before the foundation, to pay the debt incurred by His Friends unto God's Law and Justice. Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

We believe that this Testament is the one stated here Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant or testament,

We believe its mentioned here by the Apostle Paul 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The first occurrence of this non imputation was in Christ's Eternal Suretyship in the Everlasting Covenant , where He pledged to shed His Blood for their law violations !

This was an Eternal Pledge with the Father, by which He did transfer the trespasses of His Own Elect from them to His Son, and Hence the Father did reckon the sins of His Chosen upon His Son from Eternity, and by this Eternal act, their sins against His Law were Eternally discharged against them, but not from their Surety. They the Elect Sons of God were His [ Christ their Surety] delight before the World was Created Prov 8:31

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

According to this Suretyship of the blood of the Everlasting Covenant, Christ was the Lamb slain from the foundation, yes even foreordained, this being reckoned upon in the Eternal Divine Counsels. The Father was always well pleased with His Son, even before the Cross occurred in time, and so even the OT Church of believers were Justified by it [His Blood] even before it was actually shed in time See Heb 7:22; Isa 53:6; 2 Cor 5:21 ; Eph 1:4; 2 Tim 1:9; Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20 !

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[Brightfame52]

Justification an act of God's Grace ! 2


#2 Those whom Christ was made sin for, by imputation, having their sins charged to Him as their Surety, they as He was for them, Justified at His Resurrection, or we can say at their Resurrection with Him ! This is True because of the testimony Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

Folks this scripture alone should silence all opposers to the Truth of Justification before God of those Christ died for before Faith ! The testimony of the Truth is right here !

When Jesus Christ was vindicated by the Resurrection from the dead, it was not as a private person for himself, but for those whose offences he was delivered for , those of His Body the Church See Eph 5:25 !

Paul goes into some detail about this relationship in Rom 5:12ff, and then he writes in Rom 6:4

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

That's because they were also raised up together with Him by the Glory of the Father by Union with Him, so again Christ was not raised up as an private individual, but as a federal head representative, OT Prophecy predicted this Union of Christ and His members in Union at His Resurrection Isa 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Now just as Christ was delivered up for their offences, and not his personally, so likewise, His resurrection from the dead as proof of His being Justified, was not for His own personal Justification, but of those whom's offences He was delivered for !

Again, this condemns all who teach that man must exercise faith in Christ to be Justified from all sin before God's Law and Justice, for that is just not so , and it detracts from the death of Christ's accomplishment and calls the Resurrection of Him a Lie !

 

[Curtis]

The reason why "faith" is so important for salvation is because "whatever is not of faith is a sin" Romans 14:23

 

[Brightfame52]

Justification an act of God's Grace ! 3

#3 Now those who are Justified by Christ's death, verified by His resurrection from the dead Rom 4:25,

They have at least one more Justification to experience , that is in their consciousness, that verdict must be passed in their persons, this is done in the New Birth and the Spirit's witness, and hence by Faith we receive the witness of the Spirit in our consciousness Rom 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

That means Faith has been given for this witness to be carried out Gal 3:26

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

By this they are enabled to receive the Joy and Peace of Believing Rom 15:13

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

That's because the Power of the Spirit produces the Faith, in fact Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

God given Faith is instrumental in conveyance of the Spiritual Knowledge of Justification in our hears and minds , but never is it the cause of our Justification before God ! 9

 

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The reason why "faith" is so important for salvation is because "whatever is not of faith is a sin" Romans 14:23

ok, but do you understand post 232 and 233 ?

 

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25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

Folks this scripture alone should silence all opposers to the Truth of Justification before God of those Christ died for before Faith ! The testimony of the Truth is right here !

Even though it is written that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8), it does not mean that Jesus did not have to come into this world and be slain. In the same way, Jesus, having been raised up for our justification does not mean that we do not have put our faith in Jesus to be justified.

Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

 

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The Justifier of him that believth on Jesus !

Rom 3:26

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

That He might be Just and the Justifier of him which is believing on Jesus !

Now one of the meanings of this verse is that all who come to be believers in Jesus, its because God's Law and Justice has been satisfied for them by Jesus, that one who came to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21; and so they become believers because what Christ did for them is made known to them by the Spirit, for the Spirit takes what is Christ's accomplishment for them, and shows it to them Jn 16:14

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.[The Church]

Since Christ has died for them, and satisfied God's Law and Justice, paid their sin debt in full, they are given the right and privilege of believing on Him Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

And of course those who do not believe on Jesus for Salvation, its simply because they were not of His Sheep which He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Non sheep do not have that privilege given to them Matt 13:11

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Once again, those for whom Christ died, He for them only satisfied God's Law and Justice in His Sufferings and Death , which all the wrath due to their sins, and also fulfilling its Righteousness, so Faith is given to them through the Righteousness of God and their Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

All who come to believe on Jesus was because they were Justified before God by His Death and Imputed Righteousness ! 9

 

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Even though it is written that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8), it does not mean that Jesus did not have to come into this world and be slain. In the same way, Jesus, having been raised up for our justification does not mean that we do not have put our faith in Jesus to be justified.

Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

When Jesus was raised from the dead after dying for the sins of the elect, when He rose it was evidence that what He did for them Justified them before Gods law and justice, their faith had nothing to do with it, it was all Christs work that did it. Now of course later, all who are Justified shall be given faith to believe it.

 

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Justified by His Death !

All for whom Christ died, are by that fact alone, Justified before God, and because of it ; and so is the meaning of these most blessed words Rom 8:32-34

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The obvious point here is that the non charges on God's Elect is solely based upon the Fact that Christ died, that He was delivered up and this constituted the phrase " It is God that Justifieth "

Now, if God delivered Christ up to die for us as per Vs 32, then we are delivered and Justified; and Christ having been delivered up for our offences as Per Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Then who shall lay anything to our Charge ? The implication is that God certainly doesn't ! For it is God that Justifieth ! The things the Apostle stated in Vs 32 of Rom 8 is what Gods Justifying is based upon in Vs 33 and then its clearly stated in the top of Vs 34 " It is Christ that died"

And then it is the Resurrection that gives evidential proof of the same Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

In other words, if God did not raise up Christ from the dead after He was delivered up for our sins, then we would have been condemned ! However, because He did raise up Christ after He died for the sins of those He died for, it means that those ones are Justified before Him; For that is what the resurrection signifies and proclaims ! The Justification of those He died in behalf of, and so He makes Intercession for them whom His Death Justified Rom 8:34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again [For our Justification], who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Jesus Christ died in order that God might Justify us, He was made a curse for us by dying Gal 3:13 and now God in Divine Justice acquits us , from the curse of the Law, which is Eternal Damnation Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: