WHO sent Jesus?

[Daring]

Matt 1:19- And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20- But when he thought on these things, behold, an angel of Jehovah [Gods Name wasn't in Greek, at this time] appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the holy spirit.
21- And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS ["Salvation of Jehovah] ; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

Now almost obscene questions if you are a Trinitarian (believing the spirit a PERSON)- did God-the-Ghost get her pregnant with Themselves?
Was the Trinity a baby (after all the 3 are One!).

 

[Daring]

Matt 1:22- Now all this is come to pass, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord [Jehovah] through the prophet, saying,
23- Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us. - ASV

Now we all know Trinitarians try to use this to 'prove' Jesus was God (that's the only reason I quote this);
fact is MANY Hebrew names had this, or similar meaning.
The Names were usually to cement faith in God.
For example, "Jehu" means "He is Jehovah". And, sorry churchoids- he was not God.
They are so DESPERATE to prop up their fantasy that they imagine it in every word!
Jesus was NEVER called that!

On another Forum, is asked the question- "So was your God named Immanuel?"
He answered "YES!"
And was banned to the forum!

 

[Daring]

Matt 11: 25- At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have
hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
26- Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
27- All things have been delivered to me by My Father, and no one knows the son except the Father. Nor does
anyone know the Father except the son, and the one to whom the son wills to reveal Him.

Who is this 'Father' Christ speaks of? And the Ghost?
Some Trinitarians have told me Jesus is ALSO the Father.
And yet the common Version of the Trinity holds they are Three Separate Beings (i.e. Gods) sharing the same
office, claiming they have equal authority~ yet Christ NEVER said he was equal with God- even tho some of the scriptures
seem to say it in THEIR minds.
Philippians 2 even tells us Jesus never CONSIDERED trying to be equal with God!
Thus it is important to pay close attention to Christ s word FIRST- for HE should KNOW!

 

[Daring]

Matt 12:15- Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all,
16- and ordered them not to make him known.
17- This was to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:
18- Behold, my SERVANT whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my spirit [breath] upon him, and he shall proclaim justice to the Gentiles.
19- He will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will any one hear his voice in the streets.

God is NO ONE'S servant. Jesus is GOD'S servant.
And One God wasn't put into ANOTHER God by God!!!

 

[Daring]

Matt 12:28- But if it is by the spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

If Jesus was literally God, he would have said "If it is by my Spirit", or even
" If it is by my Fellow Ghost-God".
But he never did, nor ever will- for the breath ("spirit" ) of God is....GOD'S, not his!

 

[Daring]

Churches say the Spirit of God is a Ghost-God; nameless, never seen, a Co-Equal God with the Jesus-God, and the God-God (the Father).
Does that fit in with what Christ says NEXT?:

Matt 12: 31- Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven men.
32- Anyone who speaks a word against the son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

What about the other members of this Trinity????
They taught as 'Co-Equal"!

Speaking against God, who SENDS his spirit is the most serious mistake of all!

 

[B-A-C]

The New Testament does indeed show Jesus referring to the Father as "God," and even speaking of "My God" (e.g., John 20:17, Revelation 3:12). But this doesn't negate His divinity—it highlights the relational dynamic within the Godhead.

Here are a few key points that support your view:

1.​

• John 1:1 – "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
• John 10:30 – "I and the Father are one."
• Colossians 2:9 – "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."

These verses affirm that Jesus is fully divine, not a lesser being or a created entity.

2.​

• Philippians 2:6–8 describes Jesus humbling Himself and taking on human form, submitting to the Father's will.
• John 14:28 – "The Father is greater than I." This refers to role and function, not essence or nature.

Just as in a family, one member may submit to another (e.g., a child to a parent), yet they are still equally part of that family.

3.​

• Jesus speaks to the Father as "My God" in His humanity (especially on the cross and post-resurrection), but this reflects His incarnate role, not a denial of His divinity.
• The Trinity is one Being in three Persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—co-equal, co-eternal, yet distinct in role and relationship.

 

[B-A-C]

Thread 'Does God have a God?'

Aug 1, 2025

The original Greek.

Heb 1:9
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ἀγαπάω
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μισέω
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ἀνομία
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D-ASN
οὗτος
that thing
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V-AAI-3S
χρίω
to smear
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G4571
P-2AS
σύ
thee
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G3588
T-NSM
ὁ
the

θεος
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N-NSM
θεός
god
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G3588
T-NSM
ὁ
the
θεος
G2316
N-NSM
θεός
god
σου
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P-2GS
σύ
of thee
ελαιον
G1637
N-ASN
ἔλαιον
olive oil
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[Christ4Ever]

Sloppy questions to avoiding the question. (Yawn!)

Careful, or you won't be lasting long...as long this time.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

Of course.

How was God begotten?

Only begotten. Rather than how, rather from who?
He was begotten from God. They are of the same essence, as is the Holy Spirit.

[Col 1:15, 17 NLT] 15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, ... 17 He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together.

[Jhn 1:1-2 NLT] 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He existed in the beginning with God.

[Rev 1:8 NLT] 8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One."

Forgive me Lord for evening attempting this part for You are Holy. Think of it like an amoeba that splits. They are of the same genetic material, identical from the original.

This is where the hierarchy comes in.

 

[Garee]

• Jesus speaks to the Father as "My God" in His humanity (especially on the cross and post-resurrection), but this reflects His incarnate role, not a denial of His divinity.
• The Trinity is one Being in three Persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—co-equal, co-eternal, yet distinct in role and relationship.

I see the one Holy Spirit of the Holy Father that works in the son of man Jesus dying mankind .

How do you get three Holy Spirits of life?

 

[B-A-C]

Yes, God is spirit (John 4:24), and we must worship Him in spirit and truth. But that doesn’t mean Jesus is just a spirit or that He’s still dying. Jesus is God in the flesh, and He rose from the dead—His body did not decay (Acts 2:27, Psalm 16:10). He is alive forevermore (Revelation 1:18).

The Holy Spirit is one person of the Trinity—not one of three “Holy Spirits.” There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), and He works in unity with the Father and the Son. The Trinity is not three spirits—it’s one God in three persons.

 

[Curtis]

I am a “son” and at the same time I am also a “father”. Sons become fathers eventually. Jesus Christ has a bride the Church and he is her head. The husband is the father (head) of his family in the way the husband is the head of his wife. Jesus Christ being the head of his Church will always be its everlasting father (because he is its head) but he is not God the Father.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

 

[Daring]

Only begotten. Rather than how, rather from who?
He was begotten from God. They are of the same essence, as is the Holy Spirit.

[Col 1:15, 17 NLT] 15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, ... 17 He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together.

[Jhn 1:1-2 NLT] 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He existed in the beginning with God.

[Rev 1:8 NLT] 8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One."

Forgive me Lord for evening attempting this part for You are Holy. Think of it like an amoeba that splits. They are of the same genetic material, identical from the original.

This is where the hierarchy comes in.

So, all 3 were begotten?

 

[Curtis]

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

God sent forth his Son, but Jesus the Son of God also volunteered to come to lay down his life.

Jhn 10:17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
Jhn 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."

 

[Curtis]

So, all 3 were begotten?

Before a person can even begin to understand anything that deals with God or His Word, they MUST be "Born again," "Born from above," or they will NEVER understand anything spiritual. This is your problem. You are trying to mentally understand spiritual things, which is not possible, as it requires a spiritual understanding that you do not possess.

All Jehovah's Witnesses have the same problem.

 

[Garee]

Yes, God is spirit (John 4:24), and we must worship Him in spirit and truth. But that doesn’t mean Jesus is just a spirit or that He’s still dying. Jesus is God in the flesh, and He rose from the dead—His body did not decay (Acts 2:27, Psalm 16:10). He is alive forevermore (Revelation 1:18).

The Holy Spirit is one person of the Trinity—not one of three “Holy Spirits.” There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), and He works in unity with the Father and the Son. The Trinity is not three spirits—it’s one God in three persons.

Why would an invisible God who is one person desire to appear as three?

How would that be an advantage in knowing God who has no beginning or end of days (supernatural) ?

Since like Jesus the Son of man dying mankind, He informs us a spirit has not flesh and blood the temporal dying thing seen.

Can you see a spirit?

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

In that way the life of the flesh is in the dying blood but not of it called Holy Spirit life

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit (is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[Garee]

Yes, God is spirit (John 4:24), and we must worship Him in spirit and truth. But that doesn’t mean Jesus is just a spirit or that He’s still dying. Jesus is God in the flesh, and He rose from the dead—His body did not decay (Acts 2:27, Psalm 16:10). He is alive forevermore (Revelation 1:18).

The Holy Spirit is one person of the Trinity—not one of three “Holy Spirits.” There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), and He works in unity with the Father and the Son. The Trinity is not three spirits—it’s one God in three persons.

(Singular), God is Spirit. . not Spirits. (legion plural) Satan who has no spiritual understanding works to make it one in the same spirits temporal dying mankind No gospel understanding hid in parables.

 

[B-A-C]

Biblical Rebuttal to “Jesus Can’t Be God” Based on John 4:24​

1. “God is spirit” (John 4:24) affirms God's nature, not His personhood.
God’s essence is spiritual, not physical. This doesn’t deny the Trinity — it affirms that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all share the same divine nature. The singular “spirit” refers to God’s unified essence, not a restriction to one person.

2. Jesus took on flesh without ceasing to be God.
John 1:14 says “The Word became flesh.” Philippians 2:6–7 says Jesus “emptied Himself” and took on human form. His humanity was real, but His divinity remained intact. He was fully God and fully man — not a contradiction, but a mystery affirmed throughout Scripture.

3. The Holy Spirit is not a separate essence.
The Holy Spirit is one in essence with the Father and the Son. The Trinity is not three spirits, but one Spirit expressed in three persons. This is consistent with the Shema: “The Lord is one” (Deut 6:4), and with Jesus’ own teachings (Matt 28:19).

4. Satan thrives on false dichotomies.
Arguments that pit spirit against flesh or unity against plurality often reflect human reasoning, not divine revelation. Scripture reveals a God who is spirit, yet incarnate; one, yet triune. The gospel is hidden from those who reject spiritual truth (1 Cor 2:14), but revealed to those who worship in spirit and truth.

 

[B-A-C]

Was Jesus Eternally Human? A Biblical Response​

1. Jesus Was Not Eternally Human — He Became Flesh Temporarily

Scripture teaches that Jesus existed eternally as the Word before taking on human nature:

• John 1:1 — “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
• John 1:14 — “And the Word became flesh…”

This clearly shows that Jesus was divine before His incarnation, and His humanity was added, not eternal. His time in the flesh was temporary, for the purpose of redemption.

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2. Hebrews 2:7 — “A Little Lower Than the Angels”

Some translations say:

“You have made Him a little lower than the angels, for a little while…” (NASB, ESV)

The Greek phrase βραχύ τι (brachý ti) means “a little”, which can refer to degree or duration. Translators who render it as “for a little while” are emphasizing the temporary nature of Christ’s humbling — that He was made lower than the angels during His earthly life, but later exalted above all (Hebrews 2:9).

This supports the truth that Jesus’ humanity was not eternal, but part of His mission to redeem mankind.

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3. “God is Spirit” Does Not Deny the Trinity

John 4:24 says:

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

This describes God’s essence — immaterial, eternal, and divine. It does not deny the Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three persons, but one spirit in essence. Jesus, though He became flesh, never ceased to be divine.

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4. Jesus’ Flesh Was Mortal, But His Nature Was Divine

• Philippians 2:6–7 — Jesus “emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.”
• His human body was subject to death, but His divine nature was eternal and unchanging.

After His resurrection, Jesus was glorified — no longer subject to death or weakness. His temporary humanity fulfilled prophecy and made salvation possible.

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Summary​

• Jesus was not eternally human — He became flesh for a time (not yet ended).
• Hebrews 2:7 supports this with the phrase “a little while” in the Greek.
• John 4:24 affirms God’s spiritual nature, not a denial of Christ’s divinity.
• The incarnation was temporary, purposeful, and redemptive — not eternal.