Paul - the apostle.

[The Gospel of Christ]

A lot of this you have said is not true.

Really? Then why don't you help me then..

Which parts?
Go ahead — be specific. Quote me. Line by line.
Tell us exactly which part of Scripture I twisted, which historical name I slandered, or which theological foundation I fabricated.

Was it Paul being chosen directly by Jesus in Acts 9?
Was it Peter calling Paul’s letters Scripture in 2 Peter 3?
Was it John affirming apostolic authority in 1 John 4:6?
Was it Galatians 1:1 where Paul says he was not made an apostle by men, but by Christ Himself?

Or maybe it was the part where I said none of the early Church Fathers were Dispensationalists?
You want to tell me Polycarp taught a future Zionist state?
You think Justin Martyr believed in a dual-covenant with a Christ-rejecting bloodline?
Did Clement of Rome write about the Star of Remphan flying over the Third Temple?

No, you won’t name specifics —
because you can’t.

You’re cornered by the weight of Scripture and history, so now you're doing what every deceived Scofieldite does when exposed:

You retreat into vagueness, hoping your followers don’t notice.

But I noticed.

And so did every honest reader who still fears God more than Rothschild money and Oxford Press propaganda.

You’re not just disagreeing with me —
you’re disagreeing with Paul, Peter, John, and every early Church elder who stood in the blood of Christ and never once bowed to ethnic idolatry or geopolitical theology.

So go ahead —
List which parts were false.
Because if you can’t…

Then everything I said stands.
And what you’re defending?
Isn’t truth.
It’s a Zionist hallucination built on Scofield’s footnotes and your fear of facing the Cross without a flag to hide behind.

 

[Leumas]

Really? Then why don't you help me then..

Which parts?
Go ahead — be specific. Quote me. Line by line.
Tell us exactly which part of Scripture I twisted, which historical name I slandered, or which theological foundation I fabricated.

Was it Paul being chosen directly by Jesus in Acts 9?
Was it Peter calling Paul’s letters Scripture in 2 Peter 3?
Was it John affirming apostolic authority in 1 John 4:6?
Was it Galatians 1:1 where Paul says he was not made an apostle by men, but by Christ Himself?

Or maybe it was the part where I said none of the early Church Fathers were Dispensationalists?
You want to tell me Polycarp taught a future Zionist state?
You think Justin Martyr believed in a dual-covenant with a Christ-rejecting bloodline?
Did Clement of Rome write about the Star of Remphan flying over the Third Temple?

No, you won’t name specifics —
because you can’t.

You’re cornered by the weight of Scripture and history, so now you're doing what every deceived Scofieldite does when exposed:

You retreat into vagueness, hoping your followers don’t notice.

But I noticed.

And so did every honest reader who still fears God more than Rothschild money and Oxford Press propaganda.

You’re not just disagreeing with me —
you’re disagreeing with Paul, Peter, John, and every early Church elder who stood in the blood of Christ and never once bowed to ethnic idolatry or geopolitical theology.

So go ahead —
List which parts were false.
Because if you can’t…

Then everything I said stands.
And what you’re defending?
Isn’t truth.
It’s a Zionist hallucination built on Scofield’s footnotes and your fear of facing the Cross without a flag to hide behind.

How about you picking
out anything that you have
posted and prove it let's start with you

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

How about you picking
out anything that you have
posted and prove it let's start with you

I’ve backed every word with Scripture, history, and apostolic witness.

Paul was chosen by Christ (Acts 9:15),
commissioned by God, not men (Gal. 1:1),
endorsed by Peter as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15–16),
and affirmed by John’s own test of truth (1 John 4:6).

So unless you're ready to call Jesus, Peter, and John liars,
you’re not debating me —
you’re just losing to the Bible in real time.

Your theology didn’t come from the Upper Room.
It came from Oxford Press and a Zionist checkbook in 1909.

And if you’re mocking Paul?
You're not discerning —
you’re blaspheming the One who sent him.

Repent.

 

[Leumas]

I’ve backed every word with Scripture, history, and apostolic witness.

Paul was chosen by Christ (Acts 9:15),
commissioned by God, not men (Gal. 1:1),
endorsed by Peter as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15–16),
and affirmed by John’s own test of truth (1 John 4:6).

So unless you're ready to call Jesus, Peter, and John liars,
you’re not debating me —
you’re just losing to the Bible in real time.

Your theology didn’t come from the Upper Room.
It came from Oxford Press and a Zionist checkbook in 1909.

And if you’re mocking Paul?
You're not discerning —
you’re blaspheming the One who sent him.

Repent.

No you haven't backed
the truth with scripture
you posted scripture and
claim that it backed your word.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

No you haven't backed
the truth with scripture
you posted scripture and
claim that it backed your word.

No — I didn’t just post Scripture and “claim” it backed my words.
I posted exact quotes that directly contradict your position:

Jesus said Paul was “a chosen vessel unto Me” — Acts 9:15

Paul said his apostleship was “not from men, but through Jesus Christ” — Galatians 1:1

Peter said Paul’s letters are “Scripture” — 2 Peter 3:16

John said if you reject the apostles, “you are not of God” — 1 John 4:6

That’s not my opinion.
That’s four inspired witnesses all saying the same thing.

So unless you can show where I misquoted, twisted, or invented something,
your denial isn’t correction —
it’s evasion.

At this point, you’re not refuting anything.
You’re just proving that Scripture exposes the Scofield-soaked, Zionist-funded delusion you call theology —
and you’re scrambling to discredit the very Bible you pretend to follow.

You don’t need a new argument.
You need a new heart.

Repent —
before the Word you’re fighting turns on you as Judge.

 

[Leumas]

No — I didn’t just post Scripture and “claim” it backed my words.
I posted exact quotes that directly contradict your position:

Jesus said Paul was “a chosen vessel unto Me” — Acts 9:15

Paul said his apostleship was “not from men, but through Jesus Christ” — Galatians 1:1

Peter said Paul’s letters are “Scripture” — 2 Peter 3:16

John said if you reject the apostles, “you are not of God” — 1 John 4:6

That’s not my opinion.
That’s four inspired witnesses all saying the same thing.

So unless you can show where I misquoted, twisted, or invented something,
your denial isn’t correction —
it’s evasion.

At this point, you’re not refuting anything.
You’re just proving that Scripture exposes the Scofield-soaked, Zionist-funded delusion you call theology —
and you’re scrambling to discredit the very Bible you pretend to follow.

You don’t need a new argument.
You need a new heart.

Repent —
before the Word you’re fighting turns on you as Judge.

Here you are with more babbling.
Just take one thing
Any one thing you believe
and prove it

Babbling is no proof of nothing
Except babbling.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Here you are with more babbling.
Just take one thing
Any one thing you believe
and prove it

Babbling is no proof of nothing
Except babbling.

“Just pick one thing and prove it”?

I did — multiple times.
With chapter and verse.
With the words of Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, and John.

You just didn’t like the answers —
so now you’re calling it “babbling” because you’ve got no rebuttal, no Scripture, and nothing left to stand on.

That’s not discernment.
That’s desperation.

Let’s be real:
You can’t refute what I said.
Because deep down, you know —
if Paul really was chosen by Christ,
if Peter really did call his letters Scripture,
if John really said rejecting the apostles means you’re not of God...

Then your entire theology crumbles.

Your Zionist pipe dream shatters.
Your Scofield footnotes turn to dust.
And the Rothschild/UN-manufactured “Israel” you call holy is revealed for what it is —
a geopolitical fraud built on unbelief.

So instead of wrestling with the truth, you hide behind the word “babbling” like a shield —
but it’s transparent.
It doesn’t defend you.
It just exposes you.

You have no truth to stand on.
Only noise.
And fear.

You don’t need me to pick one point.
You need to take one step — toward the Cross —
before the Word you reject rises to judge both your false doctrine and your heart.

Repent.
Because Scripture isn’t on your side —
and history won’t be either.

 

[Leumas]

“Just pick one thing and prove it”?

I did — multiple times.
With chapter and verse.
With the words of Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, and John.

You just didn’t like the answers —
so now you’re calling it “babbling” because you’ve got no rebuttal, no Scripture, and nothing left to stand on.

That’s not discernment.
That’s desperation.

Let’s be real:
You can’t refute what I said.
Because deep down, you know —
if Paul really was chosen by Christ,
if Peter really did call his letters Scripture,
if John really said rejecting the apostles means you’re not of God...

Then your entire theology crumbles.

Your Zionist pipe dream shatters.
Your Scofield footnotes turn to dust.
And the Rothschild/UN-manufactured “Israel” you call holy is revealed for what it is —
a geopolitical fraud built on unbelief.

So instead of wrestling with the truth, you hide behind the word “babbling” like a shield —
but it’s transparent.
It doesn’t defend you.
It just exposes you.

You have no truth to stand on.
Only noise.
And fear.

You don’t need me to pick one point.
You need to take one step — toward the Cross —
before the Word you reject rises to judge both your false doctrine and your heart.

Repent.
Because Scripture isn’t on your side —
and history won’t be either.

I don't see you proven anything
In any of this you have stated to me
Just more of you babbling

 

[Christ4Ever]

I heard this in the morning and thought of this discussion/argument concerning Paul. You must either believe he was taught of Jesus, filled of the Holy Spirit, through what is told of him in scriptures, or you don't. If you do not, then you must be able to explain how he was used of the Spirit of God to do what he did. For if it is not of God, then it is of the Devil, and you who would believe in Jesus and not in Paul as an Apostle, know the words of the Lord concerning this, in Matthew 12:25. Paul the Apostle would not have been able to do what he did, and have the agreement of the other Apostles, who accepted him, though even they had difficulty understanding what he wrote/said, if he were not of God.

Understand this particular sermon is not about Paul, but of the Holy Spirit. So, see it in the light of the Gospel/Good News that we have received many times, through many people, in many places in the Word of God, the Bible as well.

The Holy Spirit (Part 2 of 2)​

Truth For Life - The Bible-Teaching Ministry of Alistair Begg

Truth For Life is the Bible-teaching ministry of Alistair Begg

www.truthforlife.org

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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P.S. What I will say is, reject the Spirit filled words of Paul at your own peril, and growth in Christ Jesus received by/through the Holy Spirit that is God.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother @The Gospel of Christ
Member Leumas will not see anything you say, not because it does not agree with what the Word of God has to say, but because he believes he is the word of God unto himself. So, no matter how you phrase it or explain it, he will not see it or agree to it, and sadly it is to his own detriment.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
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[The Gospel of Christ]

I don't see you proven anything
In any of this you have stated to me
Just more of you babbling

Of course you “don’t see it.”
You’ve blinded yourself with Scofield's blasphemous footnotes and Zionist politics.

But the Scripture is plain:

Jesus said Paul was “a chosen vessel unto Me.” — Acts 9:15
Paul said his apostleship came “not from men, but through Jesus Christ.” — Gal. 1:1
Peter said Paul’s letters are “Scripture.” — 2 Peter 3:16
John said anyone who rejects apostolic authority “is not of God.” — 1 John 4:6

That’s not babbling.
That’s the Word of God — and it crushes your theology.

Calling it “babbling” doesn’t make it disappear.
It just reveals that you have no Scripture to stand on —
so you lash out with noise and denial, hoping no one notices the collapse.

You can’t disprove what I said.
You can’t answer with Scripture.
You can’t undo the apostolic testimony.

So instead, you plug your ears and yell “babbling,”
like a child who’s been cornered by truth and doesn’t want to hear it.

You’re not refuting me.
You’re rejecting the Bible itself.
And every honest person on here sees it.

 

[Leumas]

Dear Brother @The Gospel of Christ
Member Leumas will not see anything you say, not because it does not agree with what the Word of God has to say, but because he believes he is the word of God unto himself. So, no matter how you phrase it or explain it, he will not see it or agree to it, and sadly it is to his own detriment.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
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How do you account
For the fact that I prove
Everything I believe and cannot
Be defeated by any of you
In a debate?

 

[Leumas]

Of course you “don’t see it.”
You’ve blinded yourself with Scofield's blasphemous footnotes and Zionist politics.

But the Scripture is plain:

Jesus said Paul was “a chosen vessel unto Me.” — Acts 9:15
Paul said his apostleship came “not from men, but through Jesus Christ.” — Gal. 1:1
Peter said Paul’s letters are “Scripture.” — 2 Peter 3:16
John said anyone who rejects apostolic authority “is not of God.” — 1 John 4:6

That’s not babbling.
That’s the Word of God — and it crushes your theology.

Calling it “babbling” doesn’t make it disappear.
It just reveals that you have no Scripture to stand on —
so you lash out with noise and denial, hoping no one notices the collapse.

You can’t disprove what I said.
You can’t answer with Scripture.
You can’t undo the apostolic testimony.

So instead, you plug your ears and yell “babbling,”
like a child who’s been cornered by truth and doesn’t want to hear it.

You’re not refuting me.
You’re rejecting the Bible itself.
And every honest person on here sees it.

Here you are again
Posting nothing but your
Unproven opinions
And declaring them to be the truth.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Here you are again
Posting nothing but your
Unproven opinions
And declaring them to be the truth.

Your words speak for themselves "blah blah blah blah blah"

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[The Gospel of Christ]

The truth is simple:
Dispensationalist Evangelicals can’t accept that everything they believe is a lie birthed in 1909 —
because admitting it would mean dismantling an entire system propped up by Scofield’s heretical footnotes, Zionist propaganda, and an emotional obsession with a Christ-rejecting false Israel.

It would mean confessing that the Church is Israel.
That Jesus fulfilled the covenant.
That there is no dual plan, no ethnic exception, and no geopolitical throne waiting in Jerusalem.

And that level of truth?
It would burn their entire framework to the ground.

So instead of repenting, they cling to the lie.
Not because it’s biblical —
but because it’s all they have left.

 

[Leumas]

Your words speak for themselves "blah blah blah blah blah"

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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I'm invincible
Because my words
Speak for themselves

For it is written
By your word
You are condemned
Or by your word
You are justified.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I'm invincible
Because my words
Speak for themselves

For it is written
By your word
You are condemned
Or by your word
You are justified.

Then you will be able to take your invincibility elsewhere.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[Christ4Ever]

Nick, the reason I mentioned False Israel is because that deception is central to why so many believers today reject Paul, butcher prophecy, and twist the Gospel. You may not see it yet — but when you confuse a Christ-rejecting political state with the fulfillment of God’s promises, you're already standing on the wrong foundation.

The tragedy is, you didn’t even recognize how relevant it is.

Dear Brother,
Are you saying that all those who believe in a False Israel reject Paul because of what he has communicated by the Holy Spirit?
What of those who believe Paul's Holy Spirit filled words, and yet do not reject the False Israel?

You are faced with a conundrum, that is not easily explained away by making the focus a "False Israel", which is not central to what this thread is about though you would include it here. I just don't see it fitting to the discussion at hand, because of what I stated above, and what you have stated as well.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[The Gospel of Christ]

Dear Brother,
Are you saying that all those who believe in a False Israel reject Paul because of what he has communicated by the Holy Spirit?
What of those who believe Paul's Holy Spirit filled words, and yet do not reject the False Israel?

You are faced with a conundrum, that is not easily explained away by making the focus a "False Israel", which is not central to what this thread is about though you would include it here. I just don't see it fitting to the discussion at hand, because of what I stated above, and what you have stated as well.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

Nick, I appreciate your tone — and I know you’re seeking truth.
So let me speak plainly, with love and urgency.

You asked whether everyone who believes in a False Israel rejects Paul outright. No — not always consciously.
Some affirm Paul’s writings while unknowingly undermining the very foundation he laid.
It’s not always a loud rejection — sometimes it’s a slow erosion.

Here’s the conundrum you’re actually facing:

Paul’s Gospel is built on the revelation that there is no longer Jew nor Gentile in Christ,
and that those who are in Christ are the true seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:28–29).

If someone believes the modern nation-state of Israel — which openly rejects Christ — is somehow the “apple of God’s eye” apart from faith in Jesus, then they are directly contradicting the heart of Paul’s message.

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel…
That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”
— Romans 9:6–8

That’s not political.
That’s apostolic.
That’s Paul.

And if we divorce that truth from prophecy, then we don’t just misunderstand Israel —
we warp the Gospel into a two-track plan of salvation, where Jews are saved by heritage and Christians by Christ.

That heresy didn’t come from Jesus.
It didn’t come from Paul.
It came from John Nelson Darby, CI Scofield, The Rockefeller's and no doubt the Dragon himself.

So when I said the “False Israel” lie is central, I meant it.
Because once that deception takes root, it infects your view of the Gospel, prophecy, the Church, and Christ’s return.

It’s not a side issue.
It’s the soil where the modern apostate Church is planted — and where many sincere believers are being slowly choked by the thorns of Zionist theology dressed in Christian words.

“For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus… or if you accept a different gospel… you put up with it readily enough.”
— 2 Corinthians 11:4

This is not about politics.
It’s about spiritual clarity in an age of mass deception.

With the truth of Christ Jesus,
— The Gospel of Christ

 

[Christ4Ever]

Nick, I appreciate your tone — and I know you’re seeking truth.
So let me speak plainly, with love and urgency.

You asked whether everyone who believes in a False Israel rejects Paul outright. No — not always consciously.
Some affirm Paul’s writings while unknowingly undermining the very foundation he laid.
It’s not always a loud rejection — sometimes it’s a slow erosion.

Here’s the conundrum you’re actually facing:

Paul’s Gospel is built on the revelation that there is no longer Jew nor Gentile in Christ,
and that those who are in Christ are the true seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:28–29).

If someone believes the modern nation-state of Israel — which openly rejects Christ — is somehow the “apple of God’s eye” apart from faith in Jesus, then they are directly contradicting the heart of Paul’s message.

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel…
That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”
— Romans 9:6–8

That’s not political.
That’s apostolic.
That’s Paul.

And if we divorce that truth from prophecy, then we don’t just misunderstand Israel —
we warp the Gospel into a two-track plan of salvation, where Jews are saved by heritage and Christians by Christ.

That heresy didn’t come from Jesus.
It didn’t come from Paul.
It came from John Nelson Darby, CI Scofield, The Rockefeller's and no doubt the Dragon himself.

So when I said the “False Israel” lie is central, I meant it.
Because once that deception takes root, it infects your view of the Gospel, prophecy, the Church, and Christ’s return.

It’s not a side issue.
It’s the soil where the modern apostate Church is planted — and where many sincere believers are being slowly choked by the thorns of Zionist theology dressed in Christian words.

“For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus… or if you accept a different gospel… you put up with it readily enough.”
— 2 Corinthians 11:4

This is not about politics.
It’s about spiritual clarity in an age of mass deception.

With the truth of Christ Jesus,
— The Gospel of Christ

Dear Brother,
I do love your passion.
Clearly brother we are not of this world, though we live in it.
Regardless of what one who sees the politics of this world, and who they side on in a false/true sense of righteousness, if they are believers, they have Jesus' Great Commision to work on as well as other taskings as assigned remembering that in knowledge that all authority is God given. We also know that though God has given authority to who He wills, it does not mean that they will follow His will as found in scripture. Pretty evident for all to see even as we watch this all unfold/pan out before our eyes.

It is not losing sight of what we are to be about that should/must take precedence in our walk. Though I can agree in part, that as observers of the world political systems we do know that God still has a plan for the end of history which includes Israel/Land because it has not yet been fulfilled what was promised to Abraham. Geographically speaking that is. Revelation though confusing at times, does make that clear that it will be, because our God is true to His Word.

So, is one necessary for the other to be true as in rejecting Israel and its geo-political ambitions? I'm sorry I do not believe so. For our Lord came for the misguided too brother, and though they may lose some rewards, they may yet be saved in/through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. For we are one body in Christ Jesus.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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