"Shadow Work" - im a bit confused

[amateurscholar]

ive come across this whole thing of "shadow work" some times and this morning i realized, this concept might have been what possessed the catholic priests as well as other respected public figures as they are doing what they can to appear as pure as possible as so they must entirely sinful

i also knew one woman who uh, "worked" with rich men, at their jobs they would be very dominant. high paid positions. but with her they would pay her to be submissive in all sorts of embarrassing ways and enjoy it

this could be called the shadow taking over you

but is this socalled shadow not just demons talking to you trying to get you to do something, and the further you neglect their ideas, the harder they come onto you- and as with the catholic priests they eventually fail and just become a walking sin machine?

"Shadow work is the process of exploring the unconscious reasons behind your feelings or behaviors, particularly uncomfortable emotions that seem out of character or beyond your control."

for instance, i think my shadow would be my violent tendencies which had great success when i was a child. a number of times kids tried to declare a part of kindergarten or school as belonging to them, i retracted in silence only to come back with a huge log and throw on them or just straight up beat them into the ground. in hindsight i think i did them a valuable lesson, they were all humbled. it worked very well. i didnt go out of my way to be violent
sometimes i feel that im being too passive in my adult life, i honestly dont care about much, i really "turn the other cheek" which is currently making my entire workplace hate my diabolic diabetes coworker that doesnt miss a chance to trashtalk me, lately he has decided that im a gypsy. its quite fun how hes digging his own grave since i dont have issues with anyone else in the whole workshop but him
i understand where hes coming from, hes miserable for so many reasons such as his old age, his disfigured physique, his sexless marriage, his extremely repentless wife and daughter- but he has crossed the line many times
sometimes i do have some ideas of humbling him

is this socalled shadow valid in gods eyes, is this shadow work just demonic influence trying to present itself as valid subconcious stuff?

Thanks for opening up about this—it’s a raw and honest post. The whole “shadow work” idea can feel like a tricky thing to navigate, especially when you’re trying to see it through a faith lens. I hear you wrestling with those old violent tendencies and how they clash with the “turn the other cheek” approach you’re trying to live out now. That tension is real, and it’s something a lot of us face when dealing with tough emotions or situations, like with your coworker.

Your instinct to question whether this “shadow” is just demonic influence or something else is a great starting point. The Bible talks a lot about the battle in our hearts—between the flesh and the Spirit—and it sounds like you’re feeling that pull. I love how you’re reflecting on not wanting to go back to old ways, even though it’s tempting when someone’s pushing your buttons. That shows a heart that’s seeking God’s way, even when it’s hard.

The situation with your coworker sounds rough, and it’s amazing that you’re seeing his behavior might come from his own pain. Maybe instead of “humbling” him, you could pray for him or find small ways to show kindness that don’t compromise your peace. That’s not weakness—it’s strength rooted in Christ. Keep leaning into God’s wisdom for how to handle this. You’re asking the right questions, and that’s a solid step toward clarity.

Great post, man—thanks for sharing your thoughts. Excited to see where this conversation goes!

 

[Garee]

ive come across this whole thing of "shadow work" some times and this morning i realized, this concept might have been what possessed the catholic priests as well as other respected public figures as they are doing what they can to appear as pure as possible as so they must entirely detach from whats not good and whats sinful

Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox, like the Pharisees with Sadducees, worship shadows or smoke. Without shadows they preached not.

They made Jesus the Son on man into a Circus Seal . . . Do some magic work a miracle them when we see without own eyes go for a microsecond we will believe.

Nicodemus a Pharisee that worshiped shadows when informed of the greatest possible miracle (born again) Jesus declared the will of the Father "wonder or marvel not after signs" but rather believe prophecy. living word

Born again believers have prophecy till the end of time no need to wonder, wonder, wonder in Limbo or Purgatory

The believer is informed if mankind believes not the law and prophets or the law "Let there be" and "it was God alone good testimony" The prophets. Then we should avoid those who serve signs to wonder after as if true prophecy

to the law below

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

And its fulfillment of prophecy, below

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

The pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind . Shadow worshipers

 

[joestue]

yes that part of it makes a lot of sense, projections of out own shortcomings although i frankly dont relate, but i see it a lot. i really hate narcissists, but it just happens to be because narcissists are possessed and thats the people the devil always sends into goodwilled peoples lives to take advantage of and to demoralize us in being good and helpful, nothing to do with who or what i am - and this shadow work would claim we should try to own that, but in that i would have to assume i am one of them and start being like them "accepting" their wrongs as right, and make myself wrong in the process? it seems very silly, maybe to the average man that loathes and lives in jealousy- but what man is that? a woman trapped in a mans body. an inverted organism that works for the devil. it all sounds like it could be treated by simply repenting and returning to the father

In my opinion narcs and BPD are opposite results of the same structural brain damage and lack of identity due to not fully formed personality states from early childhood.

We dont need to do any work to become more patient with them. We need to become stronger instead, relying as needed on the Spirit of God, and reject their failings as something that only God can heal, not something to accept into our lives.

Not all of them are possessed but many have demons, because the structural dissociation of their minds means they.. do hear voices. And the instant they obey a demon speaking to them, they sin. Which strengthens their influence.

And so again, because they lack a fully formed identity, its easier for demons to become imported into their personal character and personality. In fact this is the reason why demons want people to traumatize children. -it makes it easier to influence them.

Recently a few months ago i was praying for my ex and i saw some images, and heard the words "her spirit is intermingled with a demon".

I figure it will take some time to get this one out of her, and in the process. If she does relent and let me finish, its going to case a significant life changing perspective shift of her whole life, which may or may not being her to repentance. Think mid life crisis.. on steroids. Not just the disappearance of some temptation to drink or do drugs

 

[zeth4500]

Hebrew 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

yes we just adjust ourselves to the teachings, to profit and become one with christ yes. but we must not fear, that will put us in hell

That shows a heart that’s seeking God’s way, even when it’s hard.

im also very obligated to do so for me and my wifes future since we are trying to get out of apartment asap and frankly its hard to find a workplace where i fit in. im praying regularily that this person simply leaves the place, grey rocking him seems the only viable option as he is possessed, coworkers regularily asks me whats wrong with him and what i did to him which i can only reply "nothing" to
he did approach me once asking to make peace but due to his emotional instability and his personality type i know he would only use this as leverage to talk to me again, to once again repeat his behaviours or even worse waste half my day just talking to me so i cant work

They made Jesus the Son on man into a Circus Seal

its not my understanding that jesus is considered part of a circus by any means in orthodox christianity, any reference to them humiliating christ?

The believer is informed if mankind believes not the law and prophets or the law "Let there be" and "it was God alone good testimony" The prophets. Then we should avoid those who serve signs to wonder after as if true prophecy

i dont believe this sentence makes coherent sense as ive read it 10 times and even ran it through text simplifiers and it still doesnt make any sense
i think i get what youre trying to say however, you mean to say that we should believe without seeing signs and simply have faith. well in the bible there were many that asked to see a sign and they first became worshippers when they saw the signs- and god will surely give you signs if you havent had a chance to have faith yet
as my wife who at a time was struggling, we asked god for a sign but on the night to that day she dreamed of an very exact passage of book of isaiah in which we on that day watched audiobook of together, to then realize that god shortcut us in asking him to give her a sign. i have in the past challenged many people to ask for a sign for simply the spiritual and they were also shocked to get very eerie signs (undefined spiritual world)
it is hidden for everyone who dont look but once you ask, you will certainly receive - because we NEED to see signs to have faith, those who see nothing cannot have faith - i dont believe such to be a thing.

In my opinion narcs and BPD are opposite results of the same structural brain damage

yes they both have uh, strong grasp for manipulation and they both seem riddled with demonic influences- they are very emotional and they can suffer true delusions and even visual hallucinations. both are broken people with low selfesteem, the vulnerable narcissist (opposite of malignant narc) seem very related to BPD, but the BPD deep down dont have uh, evil drive where the narc does. they are very similar except for this evil sadistic desire, although a BPD may feel like something takes them over, but their true character is not evil. it took me a while to wrap my head around the difference because they are very similar. most mental conditions are trule based on demonic influence, especially schizophrenia (most deny anything spiritual and especially jesus christ)

Not all of them are possessed

yes demonic affliction, influence. agents of the devil now initiates in demonic possession necessarily, they only bother with people who are very powerful kinda like how they recruit people into their pyramid scheme if someone is wealthy or have powerful connections

In fact this is the reason why demons want people to traumatize children. -it makes it easier to influence them.

hmmmmm... one thing.... it seems narcs INFECT people, like vampires. they are energy vampires oftenly. theyre created not born, recruited. typically they were abused and decided to absorb the abuse, becoming the abuser. ive had struggles with women who were previously abused and cheated on, i always assumed "oh, then they really wouldnt wanna do anything like that ever, right?" women are generally weak to spiritual influences hence why theyre so targeted with anything of the agenda, although sexual abuse they go for boys preferably christian below the age of 7 (probably because before the age of 6 defines someones life, strongly codes the brain)

Recently a few months ago i was praying for my ex and i saw some images, and heard the words "her spirit is intermingled with a demon".

damn, reminds me of one time i was talking to someone who has very riddles with spirits, i wasnt sober so i connected to her and at midnight time i was just LOCKED sitting there staring through my mental space at 3 demons she had as they just stared at me, they were small and ugly, brown-greenish, another one i was gonna hang out with and in the morning i thought of her and just like that, like a storm came over me of darkness and a great witch like demon that guarded her told me to back off her. both BPD's and schizophrenics, the second one same day was admitted to psychiatry due to psychosis

Think mid life crisis..

to fix a narcissist you must push them and dominate them hard, break them. cause ego death, collapse them entirely. and only then can you with LUCK fish out the remains of who they really are deep down and rebuild but its very dangerous to do.
you have to play it right and know exactly where to hit them but how to handle the rest is very much depending on who they are and still huge chance it will fail, but at that time they should be brought to baptism so our lord can keep them on leash until they can rewire their brain enough to keep their hands clean. regardless i wouldnt suggest marrying someone like that unless if you can literally rip them off anything relating to their past and put them on a farm in the middle of nowhere and replace all their nonsense with healthy habbits, cooking... a bunch of chickens they can take care of or such
i managed to break through my own mothers nonsense once and for some months after she would call me and basically confess what traumatized her in her relationships, and just like that suddenly she found herself a healthy relationship. my wife was very angry at me for having been so aggressive with my own mom, but sometimes thats what people need.

 

[joestue]

to fix a narcissist you must push them and dominate them hard, break them. cause ego death, collapse them entirely. and only then can you with LUCK fish out the remains of who they really are deep down and rebuild but its very dangerous to do.

My mother inlaw is regarded by many as a narcissist.

Basically she has 3 personality states underneath a shell alter which cannot admit being wrong, in order to protect its ego.

The bpd person has personality states hidden under a shell alter that is terrified of being alone, feels empty because it has no identity, etc. The narc.. does not care that they feel empty and alone.

Anyhow my mother in law has a 13 yr old personality state that would sleep with me if given the opportunity. And a 6 yr old personality state that throws child like temper tantrums, and a third personality state that handles her daily life. And possibly a fourth that controls her husband.

In general both shell alters of both systems do not know they are shell alters and they do not know that their emotional perspectives feelings and thoughts come from separate parts of their mind that have their own free will.

Yes the whole system has to collapse and be reborn which is something only God can do.

 

[Garee]

its not my understanding that jesus is considered part of a circus by any means in orthodox christianity, any reference to them humiliating christ?

The two orthodox major sects. Pharisees with Sadducees. They are the kind of puffed up in false pride men that made Jesus into a circus seal .

Do something work a miracle and when we see with our eyes then we will believe but to trust in things not seen with the eyes we refuse.

The Pagan foundation. "Out of sight . . Out of mind" .

The invisible Holy Father Christ. calls them fools no God in their hearts or min. . . no faith as understnding needed to please the father

Today many are under the confederacy oral tradition of dying mankind . As those that make themselves of the number, or compare their own self with some that commend or venerate themselves: measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves,

Those who serve a hierarchy of puffed-up venerable dying mankind that they call apostolical succession men those that lord it over the faith (understanding ) of the non-venerable pew warmers . . rather than comparing thoughts to sola scriptura.

Revelation 2 identifies the confederacy as those who left their first Love (trusting Christ) who works within believers some giving it over to the puffed leaders like Nicodemus. God calls the believer to repent and do the first work yoked with Christ believe God. Not. dying men (Nicodemus seen

Orthodox meaning to have a "right opinion" comes from a Greek word heresies or private interpretation. (personal commentary) as to what each individual think God is teaching .

In that way there must be heresies as oral traditions as long as they do not do despite to the fullness of grace the complete cost of salvation amongst believers.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Isaiah 8:12Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend (puff up) themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves,(not by sola scriptura) and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

i dont believe this sentence makes coherent sense as ive read it 10 times and even ran it through text simplifiers and it still doesnt make any sense
i think i get what youre trying to say however, you mean to say that we should believe without seeing signs and simply have faith. well in the bible there were many that asked to see a sign and they first became worshippers when they saw the signs- and god will surely give you signs if you havent had a chance to have faith yet

Two kinds of signs. some follow (the true) others lead (the false)

Signs that use metaphors in parables follow not lead

Mark 16:17-18And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;(gospel)They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,(false prophecy false apostles ) it (false prophecy)shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,(a form of prayer) and they shall recover.

Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

God is no longer bring any new revelations after any manner to include dreams.

Remember Satan the father of lies with all power to wonder, wonder, wonder after. . giving the illusion of true prophecy (sola scriptura)

Signs to wonder after when God was still bringing new prophecy they were designed for the unredeemed world used to literal move them .

Like in Exodus the born-again believer was trusting the prophecy given to Abraham 400 year in bondage. Our Holy Father Christ knew they would not respond to prophecy.

He gave them two signs that work as one .Two is the word that indicates Christ has spoke .By the witness of one no judgement .

Exodus4:5-8That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.;And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again(born again) as his other flesh.;And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.(death)

In that parable Moses hides one hand and pulls it out as dead and then re incerts it and comes back to indicate born again.

He used many signs frogs, flies, water becoming blood before the latter sign "death of the first born" .the sign first given Moses hand in cloak dead a irresistible sign .

Again believers have prophecy until the end of time. No sign was given to follow after.

.Jesus the Son of man declaring the will of his father said; it an evil generation ,non-redeemed mankind that must follow after signs rather than prophecy the living abiding word