I have a question

[Twistie]

How do I know Moses wasn’t a Jew?

Because he was from the tribe of Levi, not Judah.
The term “Jew” comes from Judah — one of the twelve tribes of Israel.
Moses wasn’t from Judah.
He was a Levite — born to Amram and Jochebed, both descendants of Levi (Exodus 6:20).

Judaism didn’t even exist yet.
The word “Jew” doesn’t appear until 2 Kings 16:6 —
long after Moses, long after the Exodus.

So calling Moses a Jew is like calling Abraham a Baptist.
It’s not just inaccurate —
It’s Scofield-level historical fiction.

And while we’re at it —
The entire Old Testament isn’t about “Jews.”
It’s about Hebrews…
then Israelites…
then the twelve tribes — Judah being just one of them.

Abraham wasn’t a Jew.
Isaac wasn’t a Jew.
Jacob wasn’t a Jew.
Moses wasn’t a Jew.
None of the patriarchs were Jews.

They were Hebrews, then Israelites —
long before the Kingdom even split, and the southern part became known as "Judah."

So this modern obsession with calling every Old Testament figure a “Jew” is not biblical —
It’s the result of centuries of theological laziness,
and more recently, Scofield brainwashing.

The Bible doesn’t revolve around “Jews.”
It revolves around God’s covenant people —
who are now fulfilled in Christ, not ethnicity.

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

I see the word jew as the way one worships Abba.. personally I think it has to do with the Hearts of Abbas people it's not a once a week meeting at a temple with strangers I believe it's just an everyday thing so to say like His children just can't help but to worship n spend as much time as we can He always on our mind in everything we do.. well for us anyways but ya I see the word as a way of worship not a ethnicity so to say idk

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[The Gospel of Christ]

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

I see the word jew as the way one worships Abba.. personally I think it has to do with the Hearts of Abbas people it's not a once a week meeting at a temple with strangers I believe it's just an everyday thing so to say like His children just can't help but to worship n spend as much time as we can He always on our mind in everything we do.. well for us anyways but ya I see the word as a way of worship not a ethnicity so to say idk

(⁠´⁠(⁠ｪ⁠)⁠｀⁠）

Yes, Romans 2:29 says exactly that:
“A Jew is one inwardly… and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.”

But let’s be clear:
Paul isn’t validating modern Judaism.
He’s redefining what it means to be a Jew under the New Covenant.

Being a true Jew is no longer about flesh, tribe, ritual, or the Law —
it’s about a transformed heart, reborn by the Spirit of Christ.

This isn’t just poetic language.
It’s a New Covenant reality.

Here’s the real problem:
Because believers today are called “Christians” instead of “New Covenant Jews”, most have no idea who they actually are.
They don’t realize that they are the true continuation of Israel —
the real Jews in Spirit, the heirs of the promise,
the covenant family of God.

The apostles were Jewish.
Jesus is the King of the Jews.
He fulfilled the Old Covenant and replaced it with a New one (Hebrews 8:13).
The early Church wasn’t “converted Jews” — they were completed in Christ.

Meanwhile, the people today calling themselves “Jews” —
Ashkenazi secularists, Talmudic mystics, and racial nationalists —
are not continuing the faith of Moses at all.

They deny Christ.
They follow the Talmud — a man-made system written 400 years after Jesus that mocks Christ, rewrites scripture, and promotes ethnic supremacy.

This is not the faith of Abraham, Moses, or the prophets.

Christianity is not a “separate religion.”
It is the true heir of the Old Testament.
Christ didn’t abolish the Law — He fulfilled it.
Then He redefined Israel — no longer by bloodline, but by faith in Him.

So no — we’re not “Gentiles tagging along” while unbelieving ethnic Jews somehow still hold the spotlight.
That’s a Zionist fantasy invented by Scofield, Darby, and a century of evangelical brainwashing.

The Church is Israel.
Christians are the true Jews — inwardly, spiritually, covenantally.

Anyone today claiming they’re “related to Abraham” —
but who rejects Jesus —
is not part of the covenant.

“If you reject the Son, you reject the Father also.” — 1 John 2:23
“If God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.” — Romans 11:22

The Bible calls them false Jews (see Revelation 2:9, 3:9).

And here’s what makes this even more absurd:
95% of the people living in modern Israel today aren’t even ethnically connected to ancient Israel.
They are Eastern Europeans and Khazars — descendants of a Turkic empire that were force-converted to Judaism in 740 AD under King Bulan.

In other words:
Not Jews by blood.
Not Israelites by heritage.
And not in covenant — because they’ve rejected the Messiah.

Yet the modern Church keeps pointing to these Christ-rejecting, identity thieves as “God’s chosen people,”
while ignoring what the New Testament clearly teaches:

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
Not by race.
Not by genetics.
By faith.

Even the original Israelites were cut off for unbelief.

There is no special status, no covenant privilege, no inheritance —
for anyone who denies the Son.

And here’s where it gets tragic:
Modern Christians — totally indoctrinated by Scofield’s lies —
are pointing to the very people who crucified Christ, who reject the Gospel, who follow the Talmud…
and calling them “the real Jews.”

Meanwhile, they have no idea that they themselves — the Body of Christ — are Israel now.

Not some abstract “spiritual Israel.”
Not an honorary tag-along.
But actual Israel.
The true Israel.
The heirs to every promise, covenant, and blessing — through Jesus Christ.
Israel isn’t a piece of land — it’s the Body of Jesus Christ.
It’s His people. His Church. His Bride.
To say that Israel is land in the Middle East is to deny what Jesus fulfilled.

“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28-29
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“The Church is the Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:16

So let’s make this plain:
Anyone even acknowledging that Isreal is a land in the Middle East is openly denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.

That’s not just bad theology.
That’s antichrist theology (1 John 2:22).
And over 80% of so-called “Christians” in the U.S. now follow this theology.
They have been discipled by Scofield, not Scripture.
They’ve traded the New Covenant for a Zionist counterfeit.
And they don't even realize they're denying the very One they claim to follow.

I know... scary isn't it.

 

[Twistie]

Yes, Romans 2:29 says exactly that:
“A Jew is one inwardly… and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.”

But let’s be clear:
Paul isn’t validating modern Judaism.
He’s redefining what it means to be a Jew under the New Covenant.

Being a true Jew is no longer about flesh, tribe, ritual, or the Law —
it’s about a transformed heart, reborn by the Spirit of Christ.

This isn’t just poetic language.
It’s a New Covenant reality.

Here’s the real problem:
Because believers today are called “Christians” instead of “New Covenant Jews”, most have no idea who they actually are.
They don’t realize that they are the true continuation of Israel —
the real Jews in Spirit, the heirs of the promise,
the covenant family of God.

The apostles were Jewish.
Jesus is the King of the Jews.
He fulfilled the Old Covenant and replaced it with a New one (Hebrews 8:13).
The early Church wasn’t “converted Jews” — they were completed in Christ.

Meanwhile, the people today calling themselves “Jews” —
Ashkenazi secularists, Talmudic mystics, and racial nationalists —
are not continuing the faith of Moses at all.

They deny Christ.
They follow the Talmud — a man-made system written 400 years after Jesus that mocks Christ, rewrites scripture, and promotes ethnic supremacy.

This is not the faith of Abraham, Moses, or the prophets.

Christianity is not a “separate religion.”
It is the true heir of the Old Testament.
Christ didn’t abolish the Law — He fulfilled it.
Then He redefined Israel — no longer by bloodline, but by faith in Him.

So no — we’re not “Gentiles tagging along” while unbelieving ethnic Jews somehow still hold the spotlight.
That’s a Zionist fantasy invented by Scofield, Darby, and a century of evangelical brainwashing.

The Church is Israel.
Christians are the true Jews — inwardly, spiritually, covenantally.

Anyone today claiming they’re “related to Abraham” —
but who rejects Jesus —
is not part of the covenant.

“If you reject the Son, you reject the Father also.” — 1 John 2:23
“If God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.” — Romans 11:22

The Bible calls them false Jews (see Revelation 2:9, 3:9).

And here’s what makes this even more absurd:
95% of the people living in modern Israel today aren’t even ethnically connected to ancient Israel.
They are Eastern Europeans and Khazars — descendants of a Turkic empire that were force-converted to Judaism in 740 AD under King Bulan.

In other words:
Not Jews by blood.
Not Israelites by heritage.
And not in covenant — because they’ve rejected the Messiah.

Yet the modern Church keeps pointing to these Christ-rejecting, identity thieves as “God’s chosen people,”
while ignoring what the New Testament clearly teaches:

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
Not by race.
Not by genetics.
By faith.

Even the original Israelites were cut off for unbelief.

There is no special status, no covenant privilege, no inheritance —
for anyone who denies the Son.

And here’s where it gets tragic:
Modern Christians — totally indoctrinated by Scofield’s lies —
are pointing to the very people who crucified Christ, who reject the Gospel, who follow the Talmud…
and calling them “the real Jews.”

Meanwhile, they have no idea that they themselves — the Body of Christ — are Israel now.

Not some abstract “spiritual Israel.”
Not an honorary tag-along.
But actual Israel.
The true Israel.
The heirs to every promise, covenant, and blessing — through Jesus Christ.
Israel isn’t a piece of land — it’s the Body of Jesus Christ.
It’s His people. His Church. His Bride.
To say that Israel is land in the Middle East is to deny what Jesus fulfilled.

“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28-29
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“The Church is the Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:16

So let’s make this plain:
Anyone even acknowledging that Isreal is a land in the Middle East is openly denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.

That’s not just bad theology.
That’s antichrist theology (1 John 2:22).
And over 80% of so-called “Christians” in the U.S. now follow this theology.
They have been discipled by Scofield, not Scripture.
They’ve traded the New Covenant for a Zionist counterfeit.
And they don't even realize they're denying the very One they claim to follow.

I know... scary isn't it.

Christianity is going to fall

It is written any house divided will fall key Abba be true n man be the liar..

Boggles me how many say God don't change yet they think He'd change how ,He refers to His people..
I see that word as a slur n nothing negative will come from the Lord. It is written in Him there is no darkness..
That was a man given name like someone calling me a mic cause I'm Irish.. n I'm sure Abba dont want His people boasting in it..He has never referred to me as hey Christian idk I'm just saying..

Welp got ta walk the pup n get hubby set up for the evening it was nice talking to ya at least ya ain't called me no names

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[KingJ]

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

You may need man to learn to memorize Scripture I on the other hand allow the Lord to reveal to me..

We r so not the same . Please stop projecting your ways unto me

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It is nice to see you posting scripture for your rebuttal. Keep it up!!

It is just a matter of time before you grasp that you are cherry picking scriptures, taking those you want and ignoring those I gave. If you keep this up you will be creating your own downfall. Half truths are the devils game per Matt 4:1-11.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

 

[Garee]

So where is it said one book n not to seek the Lord if man says not to??

The Bible warns the believer does not do as dying mankind under a curse to die once says to.do.

Calling them antichrists which is another teaching authority other than sola scriptura. or all things written in the law and prophets. Old and New Testament as one testimony

The Bible the one book of law is not a book philosophical theory (oral traditions)

It as it is written provides the spiritual or unseen understanding of God. His very essence. Three things, God is eternal Spirit; God is Light and is Love.

God is not a man as us.

On Mount Sinai when with his finger he wrote his will .He used two tablets written on two sides with no room for oral traditions

Setting up the use of the word two to represent Christ not seen has spoken . . .the witness of two used in various parables.

Two as if one witness below

Matthew 24:23-25;Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before

.Mark 13:21-23And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:;For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.;But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things

In affect saying Behold, I have told you before the final written loving warning not to add or subtract form the one book of God's law. Revelation 22:18-21

Remember Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after just as if his lies were true prophecy as it is written.

The father of lies is bringing even today lying power needed to seduce mankind to believe that God is still adding to his prophecy.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11;Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
;And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Twistie]

It is nice to see you posting scripture for your rebuttal. Keep it up!!

It is just a matter of time before you grasp that you are cherry picking scriptures, taking those you want and ignoring those I gave. If you keep this up you will be creating your own downfall. Half truths are the devils game per Matt 4:1-11.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

Ya I know the Word He dwells in me unlike many who just jump up n down ,call people name,n belittling n arguing I thank YH I follow Him n not the world's god

(⁠￣⁠(⁠ｴ⁠)⁠￣⁠)⁠ﾉ

 

[Twistie]

The Bible warns the believer does not do as dying mankind under a curse to die once says to.do.

Calling them antichrists which is another teaching authority other than sola scriptura. or all things written in the law and prophets. Old and New Testament as one testimony

The Bible the one book of law is not a book philosophical theory (oral traditions)

It as it is written provides the spiritual or unseen understanding of God. His very essence. Three things, God is eternal Spirit; God is Light and is Love.

God is not a man as us.

On Mount Sinai when with his finger he wrote his will .He used two tablets written on two sides with no room for oral traditions

Setting up the use of the word two to represent Christ not seen has spoken . . .the witness of two used in various parables.

Two as if one witness below

Matthew 24:23-25;Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before

.Mark 13:21-23And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:;For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.;But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things

In affect saying Behold, I have told you before the final written loving warning not to add or subtract form the one book of God's law. Revelation 22:18-21

Remember Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after just as if his lies were true prophecy as it is written.

The father of lies is bringing even today lying power needed to seduce mankind to believe that God is still adding to his prophecy.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11;Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
;And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

I find it kinda scary how many claim to follow Him {living God)but at the same time can't even discern between His Spirit n the evil ones Spirit..
So many latch onto that word christian instead of Christ..seems those who latch on that word christian are usually smug filled people who like to belittle n call names..idk what they are following but I know it's not the Living God..

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[Twistie]

Ya I know the Word He dwells in me unlike many who just jump up n down ,call people name,n belittling n arguing I thank YH I follow Him n not the world's god

(⁠￣⁠(⁠ｴ⁠)⁠￣⁠)⁠ﾉ

N cherry pick ya mean how ya follow man's word claiming God is only in One book?? Seems man left out a whole bunch of things they didn't want past on Yet Abba Has revealed them.. like you said He sent a great delusion onto the world one either stays in the boat or one walks on water with Him can't do both j.s.

He says why you call me Lord yet don't do what I say saith His Spirit..yet a Christian will do more so to stop another from growing closer to Him they tell people oh no don't seek n then spoon feeds scriptures.. I'm thinking many more or so go against what He tells his children to do then to do His will..

Personally imma keep following the Lord cause I see how many is n what they do to keep others from knowing Him

Hope all's well with ya

乁⁠༼⁠☯⁠‿⁠☯⁠✿⁠༽⁠ㄏ

 

[Brad Huber]

Yes, Romans 2:29 says exactly that:
“A Jew is one inwardly… and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.”

But let’s be clear:
Paul isn’t validating modern Judaism.
He’s redefining what it means to be a Jew under the New Covenant.

Being a true Jew is no longer about flesh, tribe, ritual, or the Law —
it’s about a transformed heart, reborn by the Spirit of Christ.

This isn’t just poetic language.
It’s a New Covenant reality.

Here’s the real problem:
Because believers today are called “Christians” instead of “New Covenant Jews”, most have no idea who they actually are.
They don’t realize that they are the true continuation of Israel —
the real Jews in Spirit, the heirs of the promise,
the covenant family of God.

The apostles were Jewish.
Jesus is the King of the Jews.
He fulfilled the Old Covenant and replaced it with a New one (Hebrews 8:13).
The early Church wasn’t “converted Jews” — they were completed in Christ.

Meanwhile, the people today calling themselves “Jews” —
Ashkenazi secularists, Talmudic mystics, and racial nationalists —
are not continuing the faith of Moses at all.

They deny Christ.
They follow the Talmud — a man-made system written 400 years after Jesus that mocks Christ, rewrites scripture, and promotes ethnic supremacy.

This is not the faith of Abraham, Moses, or the prophets.

Christianity is not a “separate religion.”
It is the true heir of the Old Testament.
Christ didn’t abolish the Law — He fulfilled it.
Then He redefined Israel — no longer by bloodline, but by faith in Him.

So no — we’re not “Gentiles tagging along” while unbelieving ethnic Jews somehow still hold the spotlight.
That’s a Zionist fantasy invented by Scofield, Darby, and a century of evangelical brainwashing.

The Church is Israel.
Christians are the true Jews — inwardly, spiritually, covenantally.

Anyone today claiming they’re “related to Abraham” —
but who rejects Jesus —
is not part of the covenant.

“If you reject the Son, you reject the Father also.” — 1 John 2:23
“If God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.” — Romans 11:22

The Bible calls them false Jews (see Revelation 2:9, 3:9).

And here’s what makes this even more absurd:
95% of the people living in modern Israel today aren’t even ethnically connected to ancient Israel.
They are Eastern Europeans and Khazars — descendants of a Turkic empire that were force-converted to Judaism in 740 AD under King Bulan.

In other words:
Not Jews by blood.
Not Israelites by heritage.
And not in covenant — because they’ve rejected the Messiah.

Yet the modern Church keeps pointing to these Christ-rejecting, identity thieves as “God’s chosen people,”
while ignoring what the New Testament clearly teaches:

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
Not by race.
Not by genetics.
By faith.

Even the original Israelites were cut off for unbelief.

There is no special status, no covenant privilege, no inheritance —
for anyone who denies the Son.

And here’s where it gets tragic:
Modern Christians — totally indoctrinated by Scofield’s lies —
are pointing to the very people who crucified Christ, who reject the Gospel, who follow the Talmud…
and calling them “the real Jews.”

Meanwhile, they have no idea that they themselves — the Body of Christ — are Israel now.

Not some abstract “spiritual Israel.”
Not an honorary tag-along.
But actual Israel.
The true Israel.
The heirs to every promise, covenant, and blessing — through Jesus Christ.
Israel isn’t a piece of land — it’s the Body of Jesus Christ.
It’s His people. His Church. His Bride.
To say that Israel is land in the Middle East is to deny what Jesus fulfilled.

“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28-29
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“The Church is the Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:16

So let’s make this plain:
Anyone even acknowledging that Isreal is a land in the Middle East is openly denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.

That’s not just bad theology.
That’s antichrist theology (1 John 2:22).
And over 80% of so-called “Christians” in the U.S. now follow this theology.
They have been discipled by Scofield, not Scripture.
They’ve traded the New Covenant for a Zionist counterfeit.
And they don't even realize they're denying the very One they claim to follow.

I know... scary isn't it.

So since you have taken over the jewish heritage, what tribe are you?

 

[Garee]

N cherry pick ya mean how ya follow man's word claiming God is only in One book?? Seems man left out a whole bunch of things they didn't want past on Yet Abba Has revealed them.. like you said He sent a great delusion onto the world one either stays in the boat or one walks on water with Him can't do both j.s.

He says why you call me Lord yet don't do what I say saith His Spirit..yet a Christian will do more so to stop another from growing closer to Him they tell people oh no don't seek n then spoon feeds scriptures.. I'm thinking many more or so go against what He tells his children to do then to do His will..

Personally imma keep following the Lord cause I see how many is n what they do to keep others from knowing Him

Hope all's well with ya

乁⁠༼⁠☯⁠‿⁠☯⁠✿⁠༽⁠ㄏ

Christian as a denomym.

Denomym meaning . . .residents of a city known by location She as the bride of Christ was re-renamed by the unseen Father in Acts promised in Isaiah 62.

Previously called her Israel .Christ meaning residents of the heavenly city of Christ named after her husban Chrsit .

Many have turned the name into a derogatory reference .

Christian the one tribe or family of all born again from above .

Make the name Christian great again .don't tear it down

 

[Twistie]

Christian as a demonym meaning residents of a city known by location She as the bride of Christ was re-renamed by the unseen Father in Acts promised in Isaiah 62.

Previously called her Israel .Christ meaning residents of the heavenly city of Christ named after her husban Chrsit .

Many have turned the name into a derogatory reference .

Christian the one tribe or family of all born again from above .

Make the name Christian great again .don't tear it down

I know what it claims to be.. n I know what I have seen those who claim that title do.. id say 90 percent wouldn't be welcomed in my home..out of that 90 probably 89 percent wouldn't want me around them n that one percent falls away.. I presume it's way Abba called hubby n I out of them temples a long time ago but He surely allowed us to see the evil n the wickedness that dwelled in them frfr

♡⁠(⁠>⁠ ⁠ਊ⁠ ⁠<⁠)⁠♡

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

So since you have taken over the jewish heritage, what tribe are you?

The New Covenant isn’t about tribal pedigree — it’s about being in Christ. The entire point of Paul’s teaching is that under the Gospel, lineage means nothing unless it’s through faith.

“In Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith... there is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:26–29

The apostles didn’t go around asking converts if they were from Naphtali or Issachar. They preached repentance and rebirth through the blood of the Messiah. The “tribe” I belong to? The one made up of those whose hearts have been circumcised by the Spirit — the only identity that matters under the New Covenant.

“A Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not the letter.” — Romans 2:29
That’s Paul — not me.

The misled Scofield theology is obsessed with the flesh.
Tribes. Land deeds. DNA tests.
Meanwhile, the Gospel is obsessed with the new birth.

So what tribe am I?

The same tribe as Peter, Paul, John, James, and every believer filled with the Spirit of Christ —
the Body of Jesus, the true Israel, the Bride, the Church.

If you’re still asking for tribal IDs in the age of grace, you’ve missed the Cross entirely.
And you're not following Jesus.
You're following the shadow of a covenant that's already been fulfilled —
while mocking the one that actually saves.

 

[Brad Huber]

The New Covenant isn’t about tribal pedigree — it’s about being in Christ. The entire point of Paul’s teaching is that under the Gospel, lineage means nothing unless it’s through faith.

“In Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith... there is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:26–29

The apostles didn’t go around asking converts if they were from Naphtali or Issachar. They preached repentance and rebirth through the blood of the Messiah. The “tribe” I belong to? The one made up of those whose hearts have been circumcised by the Spirit — the only identity that matters under the New Covenant.

“A Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not the letter.” — Romans 2:29
That’s Paul — not me.

The misled Scofield theology is obsessed with the flesh.
Tribes. Land deeds. DNA tests.
Meanwhile, the Gospel is obsessed with the new birth.

So what tribe am I?

The same tribe as Peter, Paul, John, James, and every believer filled with the Spirit of Christ —
the Body of Jesus, the true Israel, the Bride, the Church.

If you’re still asking for tribal IDs in the age of grace, you’ve missed the Cross entirely.
And you're not following Jesus.
You're following the shadow of a covenant that's already been fulfilled —
while mocking the one that actually saves.

So in revelations when the 144,000 are mentioned specifically tribe by tribe, you think that was just bs to make the evil jews predominant huh?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

So in revelations when the 144,000 are mentioned specifically tribe by tribe, you think that was just bs to make the evil jews predominant huh?

Ah, there it is — when the argument collapses, sarcasm shows up to take its place.

No, I don’t think Revelation is “bs.” That’s your straw man, not my theology. What I do believe — and what Scripture makes clear — is that the New Covenant redefines Israel, not by bloodline or tribal charts, but by faith in Jesus Christ.

You’re the one injecting Zionist ethnocentricism into a prophetic book written in apocalyptic code. Revelation uses symbols constantly — beasts with seven heads, women clothed with the sun, scrolls, seals, numbers — all pointing to spiritual realities, not literal census data.

Let’s be clear:
Revelation 7 lists 12 tribes, but Dan is missing, Ephraim is renamed, and the order doesn’t match any known tribal list from the Old Testament. That’s not random — that’s symbolic construction.
Twelve tribes × 12,000 = 144,000. That’s covenantal fullness — not a tribal headcount.
And what happens immediately after that list?

“After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, tribe, people, and language…” — Revelation 7:9

That’s the Body of Christ.
That’s the fulfillment of the covenant.
That’s the true Israel — reborn, global, and blood-washed by the Lamb.

First: the symbolic sealed remnant (144,000 — faithful Israel in Christ).
Then: the multinational, spiritual Israel — the full Body of Christ.
Not a bloodline. Not a racial club. Not a Zionist fantasy.

You accuse me of “making Jews look evil” — no. I’m telling the truth:
No one gets a pass for rejecting the Messiah — Jew or Gentile.
There is no covenant, no inheritance, no salvation apart from Jesus Christ.

So if you think Revelation is spotlighting ethnic Jews who still deny Christ as the centerpiece of end-times prophecy, you’re not defending Scripture — you’re trampling the cross to protect a Scofield doctrine that elevates unbelief over faith.

Paul didn’t preach two Israels.
He preached one Body, one Seed, one New Man in Christ.

So no — I don’t dismiss Revelation.
But I do reject your interpretation, because it contradicts everything the Gospel fulfilled.

There is no salvation through race.
There is no covenant without the Son.
And there is no “chosen people” apart from the Body of Christ —
because Jesus is the covenant.
And if you’re not in Him, you’re outside.

That’s not sarcasm.
That’s Scripture.

 

[Garee]

So in revelations when the 144,000 are mentioned specifically tribe by tribe, you think that was just bs to make the evil jews predominant huh?

144,000 is the golden measure of faith the unknown measure and not the literal measure of men that some call angels and God calls apostles . 12 represents the authority of God. . 12 times 12 = the authority of God.

12 tribes as gates to enter the heavenly city of Christ prepared for his bride, with the tribe of Dan missing to represent Old Testament saints and 12 walls as apostles with Judas missing to represent the new reformed testament saints

The beautiful parable

Revelation 21: 12-17And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.;And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.;And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.;And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.(apostle)

According to the two measures of God . #1the eternal (Gold) and#2 of men the temporal they must be mixed . If not mixed they remain mysteries of faith (the unknown eternal things of Christ)

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen(measure of men), but at the things which are not seen:(the golden measure of God) for the things which are seen (measure of men) are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Without the golden measure "parables" Christ the husband spoke not

Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

 

[bdavidc]

When is it that man started to tell people not to seek the Lord.. that His words are only in one book..

I know the word I don't need quotes scriptures.. I am seeking answers about when it started.

Ok thanks

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The departure from seeking the Lord didn’t begin with any one denomination or historical group, it began when men chose to harden their hearts and turn from God's voice. This is evident throughout Scripture, starting in the Old Testament. Every time Israel fell into idolatry, it was because they stopped seeking the Lord and began following what was right in their own eyes (Judges 21:25). The root of the issue was always rebellion and unbelief, not ignorance. The Bible clearly says that God commands people to seek Him (Isaiah 55:6, Hebrews 11:6), and when people don’t, it’s because of their own willful resistance. As time went on, even religious leaders began to twist God's words, adding to them or taking away (Jeremiah 8:8), and replacing the voice of the Lord with their own traditions or opinions. They began to speak as if God could only be known through their systems or interpretations, shutting up the kingdom of heaven against men (Matthew 23:13). The Greek word for “seek” (ζητέω, zēteō) means to strive for, to crave, to worship, this is not passive. God has always called His people to seek Him personally, not through the filters of men. So the moment any man says you shouldn’t seek the Lord, or that His voice is confined to a book without the living Spirit illuminating it, they are opposing the very heart of God. This deception started not with a date but with disobedience, anytime and every time someone rejects the Spirit of truth and the call to know God personally through His revealed Word.

 

[Brad Huber]

Ah, there it is — when the argument collapses, sarcasm shows up to take its place.

No, I don’t think Revelation is “bs.” That’s your straw man, not my theology. What I do believe — and what Scripture makes clear — is that the New Covenant redefines Israel, not by bloodline or tribal charts, but by faith in Jesus Christ.

You’re the one injecting Zionist ethnocentricism into a prophetic book written in apocalyptic code. Revelation uses symbols constantly — beasts with seven heads, women clothed with the sun, scrolls, seals, numbers — all pointing to spiritual realities, not literal census data.

Let’s be clear:
Revelation 7 lists 12 tribes, but Dan is missing, Ephraim is renamed, and the order doesn’t match any known tribal list from the Old Testament. That’s not random — that’s symbolic construction.
Twelve tribes × 12,000 = 144,000. That’s covenantal fullness — not a tribal headcount.
And what happens immediately after that list?

“After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, tribe, people, and language…” — Revelation 7:9

That’s the Body of Christ.
That’s the fulfillment of the covenant.
That’s the true Israel — reborn, global, and blood-washed by the Lamb.

First: the symbolic sealed remnant (144,000 — faithful Israel in Christ).
Then: the multinational, spiritual Israel — the full Body of Christ.
Not a bloodline. Not a racial club. Not a Zionist fantasy.

You accuse me of “making Jews look evil” — no. I’m telling the truth:
No one gets a pass for rejecting the Messiah — Jew or Gentile.
There is no covenant, no inheritance, no salvation apart from Jesus Christ.

So if you think Revelation is spotlighting ethnic Jews who still deny Christ as the centerpiece of end-times prophecy, you’re not defending Scripture — you’re trampling the cross to protect a Scofield doctrine that elevates unbelief over faith.

Paul didn’t preach two Israels.
He preached one Body, one Seed, one New Man in Christ.

So no — I don’t dismiss Revelation.
But I do reject your interpretation, because it contradicts everything the Gospel fulfilled.

There is no salvation through race.
There is no covenant without the Son.
And there is no “chosen people” apart from the Body of Christ —
because Jesus is the covenant.
And if you’re not in Him, you’re outside.

That’s not sarcasm.
That’s Scripture.

It wasnt sarcasm. Thats just you speaking ill of what I posted without reason. There is a LOT of anti Israel propaganda out there, and a lot of people, those calling themselves christians, who despise the jews. I simply said what I said to see if you were one of them. There is people living in Israel who serve the Lord Jesus. Certainly not the majority, but they are there. And the worse it gets for Israel, the more non believers will perish. Revelations does speak to that. I dont doubt that perhaps more jews during that tribulation may turn to the Lord. Perhaps not until they are nearly perished as a people, but that would certainly fulfill the part of all Israel being saved, not a lot left to save of ppl in Israel who serve the Lord.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

It wasnt sarcasm. Thats just you speaking ill of what I posted without reason. There is a LOT of anti Israel propaganda out there, and a lot of people, those calling themselves christians, who despise the jews. I simply said what I said to see if you were one of them. There is people living in Israel who serve the Lord Jesus. Certainly not the majority, but they are there. And the worse it gets for Israel, the more non believers will perish. Revelations does speak to that. I dont doubt that perhaps more jews during that tribulation may turn to the Lord. Perhaps not until they are nearly perished as a people, but that would certainly fulfill the part of all Israel being saved, not a lot left to save of ppl in Israel who serve the Lord.

You keep using “anti-Israel” like it’s some kind of trump card — as if challenging Scofield theology or rejecting Zionist myths somehow equals hating Jews.

Let’s clarify something:
I don’t despise Jews.
I despise false doctrine.
And I reject any theology that tries to give someone a spiritual pass based on ethnicity — especially when they openly reject the Son of God.

You're right that some in Israel today serve Jesus. And praise God for them.
But here's the problem: you’ve confused the nation of Israel with the people of God.

Romans 9:6 says it plainly:

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.”

And Paul goes further in Romans 2:28–29:

“For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly... but a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit.”

So let me be crystal clear:
Yes — God will save “all Israel.”
But Paul defines that “Israel” as those who are grafted into Christ — both Jew and Gentile. Not a political nation. Not a bloodline. Not an unbelieving state propped up by Rothschilds and the UN.

You’re waiting for a future salvation of national Israel after they reject Christ, deny the Gospel, and trample the blood of the covenant — and you call that God’s plan?

That’s not biblical. That’s Scofield.

Jesus didn’t die to revive Old Covenant shadows.
He is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets.
He is the true Israel — the Vine — and we are branches only if we remain in Him.

You keep quoting Revelation like it supports a racial endgame, but you’re missing the very next verse:

“A great multitude from every nation...”

That’s the goal.
That’s the Church.
That’s the New Jerusalem — not dirt, or a patch of land, but a blood-bought bride.

There’s no salvation without Christ — not for Gentiles, not for Jews.
So no — I don’t buy your fear-based “what if you’re anti-Israel?” bait.

I stand with Jesus.
And I stand with anyone, Jew or Gentile, who does the same.

But if you're preaching two peoples of God, two plans of salvation, and a future temple where Christ was already sacrificed once for all — you’re not defending Israel.

You’re denying the cross.

 

[Rhema]

When is it that man started to tell people not to seek the Lord.. that His words are only in one book..

I know the word I don't need quotes scriptures.. I am seeking answers about when it started.

Right after the Ten Commandments were spoken by God.

And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.​

- Exodus 20:18-19 KJV

So Moses wrote a book.

Kind regards,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

Right after the Ten Commandments were spoken by God.

And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.​

- Exodus 20:18-19 KJV

So Moses wrote a book.

Kind regards,
Rhema

So God wrote a book. . two tablets hewn from rock written with his finger on both sides with no room for oral traditons of dying mankind .