Why was GOD scared of Satan?

[zeth4500]

There were no rainbows before The Flood because rainbows need direct sunlight, water droplets and a dark cloud background. None of those were available before the flood.

there were no rainbows before the great flood..? i think thats a stretch to claim there was no light nor water on earth, how did the people pre-flood survive, let alone virtually all creatures on earth?
im gonna disagree.

 

[Rxlx]

there were no rainbows before the great flood..? i think thats a stretch to claim there was no light nor water on earth, how did the people pre-flood survive, let alone virtually all creatures on earth?
im gonna disagree.

Once again you show you are one of the so-called Christians who cannot understand the written word in the Bible nor my words.
I did not say there was no light or water as even you should be able to read Genesis and read GOD created Earth as a ball of water and basic elements and light being created during Creation Week.
No wonder The Great Donald says US education is a disgrace!

 

[Rxlx]

what born again believer would ever write such a title as this thread? only a person who does not fear God would right such foolishness.,

You are another who lacks basic understanding.
Go back to my OP and maybe all will come clear.

 

[Rhema]

You obviously lack the wisdom, knowledge and discernment offered by holy spirit which is why you cannot accept Satan rules the world and will do until Jesus returns soon.

Thank you for admitting that you don't actually believe the scripture as written.

But most all, like yourself, are wrapped up in the religious fairy tale they tell themselves.

But out in the real world Matt 28 clearly means...

And there we have it. Your belief that scripture cannot mean what it says, and so needs YOU to tell us that it means something else. And so begins the religious fairy tale that you tell yourself and demand that others believe.

Your "real world" exists because Christians don't abide the simple truths that Jesus said.

John 12:31; Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

You post this with blind eyes. NOW, not in the future. The prince of this world was cast out, and your unbelief is evident even as you reject the scriptures that you yourself post.

Utterly amazing.

2 Cor 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Cor was written about 25 years after Jesus returned to heaven - so obviously he was still ruling Earth.

As I've proven in a number of posts, Paul would have had no problem using the name Satan if he meant Satan. He did so THREE times in Second Corinthians. To the readers of Paul's epistles, the "god of this world" was the Roman Emperor who demanded that all Roman subjects worship in accordance with Roman law, thereby blinding their minds at the threat of torture and execution.

But you wish to live in your religious fantasy bubble (and change the meaning of Jesus' words).

Try read this and maybe the scales will fall from your eyes and your mind will understand that Satan is still ruling Earth: When will Satan be defeated? | GotQuestions.org

I don't read from a website that is thoroughly riddled and infected with heresies, like worms though an apple.

Satan will be defeated when the true disciples of Jesus stop rejecting the scriptures and walk in the power as they should.

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.​

- Acts 1:8 KJV

Yet the Greek word μάρτυς doesn't mean "witnesses" but "one who settles a matter with his words." I'd post the entry from the Cambridge Greek Lexicon, but why should I waste the time if such falls on deaf ears?

GOD clearly gave Satan one thousand years for each day of Creation to try rule Earth

And the fiction continues on, and on, and on.

Rhema

 

[Rxlx]

Thank you for admitting that you don't actually believe the scripture as written.

But most all, like yourself, are wrapped up in the religious fairy tale they tell themselves.


And there we have it. Your belief that scripture cannot mean what it says, and so needs YOU to tell us that it means something else. And so begins the religious fairy tale that you tell yourself and demand that others believe.

Your "real world" exists because Christians don't abide the simple truths that Jesus said.


You post this with blind eyes. NOW, not in the future. The prince of this world was cast out, and your unbelief is evident even as you reject the scriptures that you yourself post.

Utterly amazing.


As I've proven in a number of posts, Paul would have had no problem using the name Satan if he meant Satan. He did so THREE times in Second Corinthians. To the readers of Paul's epistles, the "god of this world" was the Roman Emperor who demanded that all Roman subjects worship in accordance with Roman law, thereby blinding their minds at the threat of torture and execution.

But you wish to live in your religious fantasy bubble (and change the meaning of Jesus' words).


I don't read from a website that is thoroughly riddled and infected with heresies, like worms though an apple.

Satan will be defeated when the true disciples of Jesus stop rejecting the scriptures and walk in the power as they should.

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.​

- Acts 1:8 KJV

Yet the Greek word μάρτυς doesn't mean "witnesses" but "one who settles a matter with his words." I'd post the entry from the Cambridge Greek Lexicon, but why should I waste the time if such falls on deaf ears?


And the fiction continues on, and on, and on.

Rhema

You haven't a clue. Did you spend your youth as a Mormon?

 

[Rhema]

You haven't a clue. Did you spend your youth as a Mormon?

No. I spent my youth learning to read Koine Greek so I never had to deal with translations or interpretations made by ridiculous people.

 

[backNforth]

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I spent my youth learning to read Koine Greek so I never had to deal with translations or interpretations made by ridiculous people.

Now we would be mocked with a snippet of Rhema's CV (in reality, his MO).

Rather, "I spent my youth learning to read" the Holy Bible "so I never had to deal with" such self-absorbed wannabee 'scholars' and misleaders of men.

Academic credentials have never been God's criteria for using a person. Moses did not go to Desert State for forty years.

Truth is independent of who presents it. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 4:3-4, "it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment...he that judgeth me is the Lord." The callers to the "Answer Man" program are calling the wrong source. God said in Jeremiah 33:3, "Call unto me, and I will answer thee." God is the "Answer Man."

God warns us in Psalm 62:9, "men of high degree are a lie." The church is dying by degrees, with men going to seminary before they've been to the altar. The only D.D.s in the Bible are the "dumb dogs, they cannot bark" (Isa. 56:10), but speak "smooth things" (Isa. 30:10) to mausoleums of "dead men's bones" (Matt. 23:27). God's comment about scholars is in Malachi 2:8, 12. He says the scholar "caused many to stumble," and "corrupted the covenant." Today, scholars are creating new versions that corrupt the Old and New Testaments, as Rhema has been shown previously.

To whom will God reveal knowledge? Isaiah 66:2 says, "to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word." If the new version proponents such as Rhema, or the new version editors "tremble" at God's word, then the Lord will reveal something to them. If they don't "tremble," it does not matter if they have a Ph.D., a Th.D., or a D.D. or are a Greek geek, the words of knowledge are going to be "hid" from them (Luke 10:21). (Because God is silent toward those who do not tremble at his word, such men are forced to scour man-made commentaries and lexicons and "study Greek" to pretend they have something to say.)

According to Romans 8:29, we are going "to be conformed to the image of his Son." But recall that while he was here on earth "his visage was so marred more than any man" (Isa. 52:14). So we can expect this same genre of religious leaders, who turned Jesus Christ over to the soldiers for abuse, to mar the image of anyone who looks to Jesus Christ for authority and not to them.

Given your propensity to mock, it doesn't surprise me that your god would do so as well.

That's because my God is evidently not your god. Again, here's what my God says about what awaits you and your Greek god:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh (Pro. 1:26).
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[Rhema]

Now we would be mocked with a snippet of Rhema's CV (in reality, his MO).

Rather, "I spent my youth learning to read" the Holy Bible "so I never had to deal with" such self-absorbed wannabee 'scholars' and misleaders of men.

You've never read the Bible, bNf. Ever. You've only read translations, and are therefor completely dependent on your scholars and misleaders of men. You show fear and insecurity when confronted with how the Greek text of the NT actually reads. And since you don't know Greek, are way out of your depth in such discussions.

All ya got is ad hominem, and your words have no effect on me. Your god mocks, and you are a mocker after him.

That's because my God is evidently not your god.

And thanks be to God for THAT.

Your laughing god who likes to instill fear:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;​

- Proverbs 1:26 KJV

My God, of which I have no fear:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

- 1 John 4:18 KJV

All your conspiracy posts show a lot of fear within you.

You'd best deal with your own problems.

Rhema

God said in Jeremiah 33:3,

Peradventure they will hear, and turn every one from his evil way: then I will cease from the evils which I purpose to do to them, because of their evil practices.​

- Jeremiah 33:3 Brenton

I would pray that you turn from your evil way.

Cry to me, and I will answer thee, and I will declare to thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.​

- Jeremiah 40:3 Brenton

And I think you need to cry harder.

 

[backNforth]

And I think you need to cry harder.

And I think you need another injection.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Enough.

Any further back-and-forth will result in pruning the thread and locking it to prevent responses from the culprits. (backNforth & Rhema)

Although entertaining, I am sure the originator of the thread would appreciate it if the barbs you are slinging at each other would be taken elsewhere.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[backNforth]

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[re: John 12:31] You post this with blind eyes. NOW, not in the future. The prince of this world was cast out, and your unbelief is evident even as you reject the scriptures that you yourself post.

“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” (John 12:31)

Now...shall be...

Context: Jesus is foretelling his own death here in this entire passage (v. 27 and onward) i.e. it is obviously future.

"now" (nyn) frequently denotes a somewhat extended portion of present time as opposed to a former state of things. Sometimes nyn with the present is used of what will occur forthwith or soon (e.g. Luke 2:29; John 12:31; John 16:5; John 17:13; Acts 26:17). Sometimes nyn with a future, of those future things which are thought of as already begun to be done (e.g. John 12:31). (source)

And I'm quite familiar with the word "shall" used here (ekballō), in a deliverance ministry, as it is the same word Jesus used when casting out devils.

Conversely, Rhema's "was" is found only in his copyrighted book (e.g. ESV), an owned-by-men version of the Holy Bible. And, as a result of its use, he has been misled him on the meaning of this passage. His tendency to trust other sources outside of the Holy Bible, and to isolate scripture, is concerning. Further, the rush to judge another (ala "you reject the scriptures"), particularly when such charge is based upon a false premise (i.e. man's "was" vs. scripture's future shall be), is a trap for inexperienced players.
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[Rhema]

And I'm quite familiar with the word "shall" used here (ekballō),

Apparently not, since ἐκβάλλω doesn't mean "shall." Shall is just a "helper verb" attached because of the syntax of English.

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.​

- John 12:31 KJV

So given John 12:31, then.... just when was the prince of this world cast out?

Rhema

 

[backNforth]

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Shall is just a "helper verb" attached because of the syntax of English.

Yep. But we should remember KISS, keeping it simple for our readers, lest their "minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." (2 Cor. 11:3). We are to lift up our readers rather than pester them with ostentatious displays, "...be[ing] not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." (James 3:1-2).

So given John 12:31, then.... just when was the prince of this world cast out?

This is Rxix's thread. Let's give her the floor.
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[Rhema]

This is Rxix's thread. Let's give her the floor.

I asked you. So don't be rude. You dumped out a lot of misinformation directed at ME about the adverb "now."

So answer for yourself, please. (Unless you can't.)

Given John 12:31, then.... just when was the prince of this world cast out?

 

[backNforth]

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I asked you. So don't be rude.

Have you not considered what Christ4Ever said?

You dumped out a lot of misinformation directed at ME

The word of God is clear that it is a sin to deal presumptuously with others:

Numbers 15:30, "But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

Deuteronomy 17:13, "And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously."

Psalms 19:13, "Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression."

Presumptions or accusations are based on natural reason (unless it's an unrebuttable presumption where, in fact, you have committed evil, and there's a witness). But we're confronted with rebuttable presumptions every day and we probably don't know it because we're trained to answer. We've already been conditioned with a response.

So answer for yourself, please. (Unless you can't.)

Presumptions are something that the natural man has created. The natural man comes up with a presumption and they cast a burden on you to prove otherwise.

Another, more typical example, of a presumptuous question would be something like, "Have you beaten your wife lately?" Either a "yes" or "no" answer is bad. This question "presumes" you have beaten your wife already. If you answer "yes," you admit guilt. If you answer "No," you still admit to having beat your wife, just not lately. Their presumptuous questions steer your mind to the answers they want. In scripture, you don't find where God asks a leading question.

Proverbs 18:13, "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

This is Rxix's thread. Let's give her the floor.

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[Rhema]

Have you not considered what Christ4Ever said?

Yes, he wanted you (and I ) to not be rude. My follow up questions were valid given your attack on my position.

But all I see now is a hot mess of spin, with you dissembling from an answer when challenged back.

With the context of any passage NOW, doesn't mean 2,000 years later.

Given the context of John 12:31, then.... just when was the prince of this world cast out?

Rhema

Especially knowing that the words in John 12:31 preceded Matthew 28:18

This is Rxix's thread. Let's give her the floor.

(Given her absurd claims, I think she's passed out on it.)

 

[Rxlx]

If Jesus is not GOD how can he be called everlasting father, how can he be called Mighty God, you either believe the word of God that is proven or you do not

get a bible and try read it???????????????

 

[bdavidc]

GOD is not Jesus and Jesus is not GOD.

Oh, but Jesus is God.