What to expect in hell
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KingJ
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Well CS Lewis and yourself would then be adding to scripture what is not there.
Rev 22:19 has a very terrifying warning for all who do that The scariest passages in scripture.
Yes, scripture is clear that God will punish according to crimes committed Rom 2:6. God is just.
Hell will be a lot like a prison with criminals. There are only 'so many' niceties you can give criminals. The worse of the worse will need to be in a more secure area. All prisoners need to be watched, managed and punished if they hurt others.
It will be very interesting to see how God creates an environment for the evil to live out their eternal existence. We need to be very careful to not incriminate God on this vastly unknown future event. There is not a single scripture that says God is evil, unjust and unrighteous. If we teach that God will be torturous and evil on those who refuse to repent of their sins and accept Jesus, we are out of line. God will be just, good and righteous in His treatment of all. To those in heaven and to those in hell.
KingJ
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KingJ
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Sure, but you still need to back up what you state with scripture. You said ''God's word says differently'', I simply asked ''where''? What scripture and verse are you alluding to? I would like to know.
KingJ
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I can think of many reasons.
You may want to visit your loved ones. You may want to do charity work. God may want us on 'guard duty'.
Do you think Jesus will stop us from visiting hell? and if so, why?
How do you know?
MedicBravo
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A lot of things can be inferred or "the most logical reason" without something being spelled out or any kind of evidence.
It's what police and detectives have been doing since they became a thing.
Heaven cannot be accurately experienced or understood by flawed, finite mortal minds so by your insistence why should Hell be? It can't.
I'm not quoting God, Jesus, or anyone else.
Why? God knows more than us and that punishment IS just and right no matter yours, mine, or anyone else's feelings on the matter.
As He is the Creator, Judge, and Authority then if say someone you care about does go to Hell then you can't get angry at God for it.
I imply nothing.
I highly suggest you watch some videos from this guy. A decades long atheist and police detective who in trying to see if God was real and the validity of Christianity became a Christian while doing his research.
God and the Bible doesn't speak on EVERY SINGLE thing yet we can easily infer/conclude what He has said on anything.
KingJ
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Correct, a lot can be inferred. With hell we just need to:
1. Ensure that we are using actual scriptures to paint a picture and not media outside of it. Otherwise we just may become guilty of the most terrifying verse in the entire bible Rev 22:19.
2. Ensure that what we infer does not incriminate God. We have a job as Christians to be an ambassador for God and if we get that wrong, I doubt He will be pleased with us. One cannot make a bigger error of misrepresentation of God then to state He will torture those He does not have to be nice to, for all eternity. That would be teaching the lost that you believe your God that you love so much and want all to serve, sit a top a list of the most evil beings to ever live.
I highly propose that you read the Geneva convention before you again infer anything with regards to hell. The Geneva convention was stipulations that the good 'unsaved' people of the world put in place. Rules and regulations on how the most evil people in society, those Germans that experimented on children, gassed Jews and sieged Russian cities, should be treated. It stipulated that they will not repay evil with evil. Like for like. The most wicked would receive lethal injection. A quick death. The rest would be isolated to a concentration camp. Receive good food. Receive conjugal visits. Receive doctor visits. Receive pets.
If you want to infer using scripture, consider earth and the four ''curses'' God put on Adam and Eve after their sin. Imagine teaching a baby that when they grow up, the A-Z of their existence will 1. PAIN in childbirth, 2. if they are female the man will RULE over them, 3. The ground will be CURSED 4 . They will DIE, dust to dust. That poor child will jump of a cliff. It would be a 100% incorrect presentation of God and earth. The fact that earth is a relativity nice place is because God is a good God. We can infer that!!! Why don't you?
So lets ask ourselves, if good people can put in place the Geneva convention, Christians should be able to do one BETTER surely? and then what of God who is PURE LOVE 1 John 4:8, light with NO darkness in Him AT ALL 1 John 1:5, righteous in ALL His ways Psalm 145:17.
So, for the love of God, why the hell is it that so many 'Christians' here cannot and do not care to properly represent God on what He will do to the wicked. I will argue that if we incriminate Him, suggest a suffering in hell that no good person on the planet would EVER approve of, we simply DO NOT know God and are very likely not Christians.
Sure, link it.
Eddie Deepfield
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This is irrelevant when discussing hell as the creation and operation of hell is a necessary requirement in a righteous, just and fair future. Hell is where the Devil, the fallen angels and unrepentant sinners will be incarcerated for eternity.
Hell is thus a God created place of retributive justice, punishment and judgement.
What happens in hell is justified. Hell is referred to as a Lake of Fire.
Rev 20: 14 - "Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
Matt 25:41 - “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Matt 3:12 "....burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Eternal fire is what one can expect in hell and as people chose to go there, despite Gods love and salvation plan, God cannot be labeled as being evil, unjust or unrighteous.
Those in hell will suffer intense and excruciating pain - emotional, spiritual and physical.
Rockerduck
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Understanding God and a few more verses about Hell,
Malachi 3:6 - “For I am the Lord, I do not change;
Ezekiel 18:22-24 - Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
Luke 3:17 - His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Isaiah 66:24 - And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched.
Psalm 55:14-16 -
Let death seize them;
Let them go down alive into hell,
For wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.
Malachi 3:6 - “For I am the Lord, I do not change;
Ezekiel 18:22-24 - Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
Luke 3:17 - His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Isaiah 66:24 - And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched.
Psalm 55:14-16 -
Let death seize them;
Let them go down alive into hell,
For wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.
KingJ
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It is most certainly not irrelevant if it can be proven that there is more scripture on the topic to be considered, as is the case with those speaking to hell. Many cherry pick scripture on hell and place a full-stop thereafter.
How is that any better then the devil in the wilderness quoting scripture? It is not. If you know scripture well, you will know there is a lot more to consider. Many here are 100% guilty of false teaching and misrepresentation of God.
I repeat and please listen. Imagine being 'that' person standing before God of the universe on judgement day that is 100% guilty of misrepresenting Him to the lost that He loves and died for.
Yes, 99.99% of people on the planet agree with a prison for criminals.
What takes place therein however. That is a whole different topic.
Scripture? It is an incorrect assumption of yours that all in hell are incarcerated.
You have just done what I have rebuked other Christians in this thread for. Why did you not include Luke 16 in your selection of scriptures speaking to fire in hell? Luke 16 is the only passage of scripture in the entire bible that explains exactly what type of suffering one will receive in the fires of hell.
I would think that be a very important passage to include. If you do not include it, you leave the poor reader to assume the absolute worse possible thoughts of burning in fire. IE False teaching. Please re-read my first paragraph to you.
Please explain exactly what you mean by that or quote a scripture that says that. I do not agree.
Depends on the punishment they will experience. Please re-read my OP.
Now you are adding to scripture what is not there. Please quote a scripture that says this.
@ KingJ-- why try to make hell sound like it's not so bad. It's only meant for Satan, the beast and the false prophet.
God has provided the only way for everyone else to stay Out. He has provided salvation for everyone else. A person needs to believe thst Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that Jesus Christ died on the cross with our sins and thst He was buried and that He rose again bodily on the 3rd day. Look at 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4.
Personally I've accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior/ Lord so I'm looking forward to heaven which is the exact opposite of hell. And time goes on Forever..
God has provided the only way for everyone else to stay Out. He has provided salvation for everyone else. A person needs to believe thst Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that Jesus Christ died on the cross with our sins and thst He was buried and that He rose again bodily on the 3rd day. Look at 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4.
Personally I've accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior/ Lord so I'm looking forward to heaven which is the exact opposite of hell. And time goes on Forever..
KingJ
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I don't. I stick to what scripture says. Why do you and others constantly add to scripture what is not there?
Are you not terrified of meeting God oneday and being guilty of adding to scripture? Especially considering that on this topic your additions incriminate Him? You should be.
Why would you say this? This is error. It was first created for the devil and angels as they were the first to be permanently removed from heaven. Since then, mankind has also fallen and rejected Jesus. So now, we know it is 'meant' for all fallen angels and unrepentant humans who reject Jesus.
Why do you say heaven is the complete opposite of hell?
You really think that difference between one going to eternal torment over eternal bliss is the fact that you can muster up faith. A faith like children have in unicorns? Or repeat some 'magical words'. Christianity is so much more then a mere 'faith mustered up' in Jesus. As explained here What is a Christian and how do you become one?.
Eddie Deepfield
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If i may come in to explore this topic further - Getting an unbeliever to accept the teaching of excruciating torment in hell is the hardest thing for any believer.
The problem is we cannot think like God. We think like humans and as we would never dream of leaving even a small animal to die a prolonged death out in the street, much less suffer forever, it is thus understandably some would like to believe in a more compassionate view point of hell, although that is only a recent conviction.
Which was never taught by the Lord Jesus or Apostle Paul or any of the NT letter writers or even early Church Fathers and leaders till recent times. Where its more suitable to tickle peoples ears rather than offend their modern sensibilities with Biblical truth.
Apart from it being erroneous, it would also be pointless to teach that Hell ls not a place to be feared.
Eddie Deepfield
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LK16:22 "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side."
The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:14-31) is not referring to the final resting place - the final hell referred to as an eternal lake of fire in Revelation.
Abraham's bosom or being by the side of Abraham is a temporary place for the dead and has no relevance for the final resting place of the dead who died in their sin - which is the Lake of Fire.
This parable has its roots in ancient Hebrew beliefs about the afterlife. In Hebrew tradition, the concept of Sheol referred to the place where all souls went after they died, both righteous and unrighteous.
KingJ
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1. The statement was that the only passage in the entirety of scripture that gives details on what exactly one can expect in fire, in the afterlife, is in Luke 16. You are correct that it was Hades and that Hades will be cast into the Lake of fire. But, that is a separate topic. Please try understand that.
2. It is not a parable from Jesus. It is a story. Actual names are mentioned, this is not done in parables.
Bethel
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what to expect in Hell?
What can the unbeliever expect to find out there?
Expect to discover that you can now believe that it exists, and now that you do, you'll want to trust in Christ. And you will, and it wont matter, because God only forgives your sins, while you are ALIVE.
And once you are dead, you died IN YOU SINS< and that is why you are in HELL... as your sin was not forgiven and now the end result is that you can't get them forgiven.
That is what you are going to find out, if you die today, and you have never trusted in Christ as your Savior.
What can the unbeliever expect to find out there?
Expect to discover that you can now believe that it exists, and now that you do, you'll want to trust in Christ. And you will, and it wont matter, because God only forgives your sins, while you are ALIVE.
And once you are dead, you died IN YOU SINS< and that is why you are in HELL... as your sin was not forgiven and now the end result is that you can't get them forgiven.
That is what you are going to find out, if you die today, and you have never trusted in Christ as your Savior.
B-A-C
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Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
Luke 16:25; "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
As other's have mentioned, hell isn't the worst of it.
Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Hell is a temporary place that eventually will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Eventually everyone is Hell will be freed long enough to face the judgment.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 14:10 ; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 18:9; "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
2Pet 2:4; For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
2Pet 2:9; then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
2Pet 2:10; and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
There are people who believe God won't do any of this, but they are deceived. The Bible clearly says He will.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
For those who think hell is simply separation from God...
Rev 14:10' he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
"in the presence of the Lamb". Jesus will be there watching.
[KJV] Psa 139:8; If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
God exists everywhere, even in hell.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
Luke 16:25; "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
As other's have mentioned, hell isn't the worst of it.
Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Hell is a temporary place that eventually will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Eventually everyone is Hell will be freed long enough to face the judgment.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 14:10 ; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 18:9; "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
2Pet 2:4; For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
2Pet 2:9; then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
2Pet 2:10; and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
There are people who believe God won't do any of this, but they are deceived. The Bible clearly says He will.
Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
For those who think hell is simply separation from God...
Rev 14:10' he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
"in the presence of the Lamb". Jesus will be there watching.
[KJV] Psa 139:8; If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
God exists everywhere, even in hell.