Some of us are Zionist and some of us are not There is Only One True Hebrew of GOD & Only One True “ISRAEL OF GOD

[PloughBoy]

There is one purpose why “GOD” had HiS Son Create All Creation. One Purpose then Destroy the created world, Which has no more use. One purpose it was, One People one GOD. The End. No stragglers.

No need. GOD needs NO one. GOD is not lonely, Neither is HIS Son. HE needs nothing.

Nothing impresse HIM,

The Purpose is, HE Loves, HiS SON.

To show how much HE Loves Him, HE DECIDED TO GIVE Him. A “Gift”.
THAT only a “GOD” can GIVE to A “GOD”

[BONE of MY BONE Flesh OF MY FLESH”]

ANd The SON said; and made it clear to “The DIRT”

“MY FATHER is GREATER Than I”

The Mortal’s mind “Cannot”. Comprehend that!

But “Drit since It is “DIRT” will, because “It is DIRT” and “DIRT” always acts like Dirt.

So in essence to The Mortal mind, I will express this in laymen terms.

A “Gift” for HIS SON, nothing more nothing less. A “GIFT” for His Son, most likely “Presented at “The Cornation Ceremony”

That all.

So, in essence, it ain’t all about “The Dirt”.

Less The dirt boast.

“Some of us are Zionist and some of us are not There is Only One True Hebrew of GOD & Only One True “ISRAEL OF GOD”​

Can The Mortal’s mind at least, “Comprehend The Three”

The Father The Son and The Hebrew.

 

[PloughBoy]

And may I, in laymen terms say this:

“putting The Cream on This “Pudding”

Recorded in The Book of The Gospel According to John”

“I do not ask in behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that Thou didst send Me.

Our Future Glory

22“And the glory which Thou hast given Me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as We are one; 23I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me. 24“Father, I desire that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am, in order that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me; for Thou didst love Me before the foundation of the world. 25“O righteous Father, although the world has not known Thee, yet I have known Thee; and these have known that Thou didst send Me;26and I have made Thy name known to them, and will make it known; that the love wherewith Thou didst love Me may be in them, and I in them.”

Oh’ boy, shake shake!

 

[Brightfame52]

I agree with the OP. It is written, the children of the flesh are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. The promise of God the Father is the promise of the Holy Spirit.

This is “the circumcision” of the heart that makes us fellow citizens of God’s Israel.

Jesus said in John 4:22 that “salvation is of the Jews.”

So why would Jesus only mention the Jews? It is because, to God a Jew is one who is defined “inwardly by the Spirit,” and not outwardly according to “the flesh”.

God showed in the flesh and blood Jews, and Israel, what he was going to perform in a “spiritual people”; who are also to be considered a part of God’s Israel.

Lets confirm this message with some scripture. Paul says in Romans 2:29 That a Jew is one which is “inwardly”, and the circumcision is that of “the heart”, and in “the spirit”. Paul also says in Romans 9:6-8 That they are not “all” Israel, which are “of” Israel. Paul goes on to say in verse 8 that the children of “the flesh” are not the children of God: but the children of the“promise” are counted for the seed.

The “promise” Paul is refering to is “the promise of the Holy Spirit”, which is the “circumcision of the heart” as “a sign” of being made a fellow citizen into the One body of Christ. The seal of the Holy Spirit is also a sign of the righteousness of the faith, which is imputed to those who believe, as was shown in Abraham.

We are told in 1 Corinthians 12:13 that both Jews and Gentiles are baptized into “One body” by One Spirit.

Ephesians 2:11-19 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being “in time past Gentiles” in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being “aliens” from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.14 For he is our peace, who hath made both “one,” and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain “one new man”, so making peace;16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in “one body” by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.18 For through him we both have access by “one Spirit” unto the Father.19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but “fellowcitizens” with the saints, and of the household of God;”

This making of 2 peoples( Jews and Gentiles) into “One” is also shown here in Romans 11:15-24 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert“grafted in” among them, and “with them” partakest of “the root” and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not “the root”, but the root thee.19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be “grafted in”.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert “grafted”contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

So you see, we are all a part of One body by One Spirit, and all a part of One Olive tree enjoined by the same root, which is Christ. Jesus said “I am the root and the offspring of David”

The Lord is the first, and is with the last. Amen

Very Good, you made some go biblical points. Please clarify what you mean by the children of promise in Rom 9:8
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

I have my conclusion, but you said it related to the Spirit, please clarify. Thanks

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Very Good, you made some go biblical points. Please clarify what you mean by the children of promise in Rom 9:8
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

I have my conclusion, but you said it related to the Spirit, please clarify. Thanks

Yes the promise of the Father is the Holy Spirit, by which we also receive Christ in us, which is the seed of promise.

Jesus showed us what the promise of the Father was ….

Luke 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes the promise of the Father is the Holy Spirit, by which we also receive Christ in us, which is the seed of promise.

Jesus showed us what the promise of the Father was ….

Luke 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

I do agree that the Spirit is a promise given to Abrahams Seed, from among the jews and gentiles respectively Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith[or Christ].

Yet I believe the children of promise are people that Christ makes believers out of, people of Faith. God had to fulfill His promise to Abraham that He made him a Father of many nations Gen 17:1-5

And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

So everyone who is given Faith is a fulfillment of that promise Gal 3:7

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Each person of Faith is brought about by Gods promise just as God brought about Isaac, a child of promise Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

People of Faith are a product of Gods promise just like Isaac. Of course that did entail the giving of the Spirit because Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22. Do you understand what I'm saying here ?

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

I do agree that the Spirit is a promise given to Abrahams Seed, from among the jews and gentiles respectively Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith[or Christ].

Yet I believe the children of promise are people that Christ makes believers out of, people of Faith. God had to fulfill His promise to Abraham that He made him a Father of many nations Gen 17:1-5

And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

So everyone who is given Faith is a fulfillment of that promise Gal 3:7

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Each person of Faith is brought about by Gods promise just as God brought about Isaac, a child of promise Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

People of Faith are a product of Gods promise just like Isaac. Of course that did entail the giving of the Spirit because Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22. Do you understand what I'm saying here ?

Yeah, it speaks of the same, because it is by the Spirit that we receive the seal of the righteousness of the faith, which speaks of the circumcision of the heart, and the imputed righteousness of Christ by faith.

Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

 

[PloughBoy]

2And a Canaanite woman from that regioncame out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely demon-possessed.” 23But He did not answer her with even a word. And His disciples came upand urged Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting [j]at us!” 24But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25But she came and began [k]to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26Yet He answered and said, “It is not [l]goodto take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27And she said, “Yes, Lord; but please help”



New American Standard Bible
And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd.


Y’All don’t hear Me,,,, What I am saying!

“One People, One GOD!


New King James Version
As He says also in Hosea: “I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.”

 

[Brightfame52]

Yeah, it speaks of the same, because it is by the Spirit that we receive the seal of the righteousness of the faith, which speaks of the circumcision of the heart, and the imputed righteousness of Christ by faith.

Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Okay, do you believe righteousness is imputed before or after Faith ?

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Okay, do you believe righteousness is imputed before or after Faith ?

We, like Abraham have to believe in the Word of God ( Christ) and that faith in God’s Word (Christ) is then imputed unto us as righteousness.

I wrote a study on it here….

When “we truly believe in” God’s Word and what Jesus Christ did for us, by going to the cross to die for our past sins, and to also make us free from the power of future sin and death. Then we, by the grace of God are born again; and we receive the Righteousness “of” God, which is by the faith “of” Jesus Christ. Notice this “gift” of imputed righteousness is by the faith “of”Christ, and is not given to us because of our own works, but by the works “of” Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith “of”Jesus Christ, even we have believed “in” Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith “of” Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Again notice the imputed righteousness “OF” God is given because of the faith “OF” Jesus Christ, when “we believe in” what Jesus did for us.

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness “of”God which is by faith “of” Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that “believe”:for there is no difference:

We being born again of the Spirit now live, because of the faith “of” the Son of God.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith “of” the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Notice, it is not “our own righteousness”that saves us, but the righteousness “of”God, through the faith “of” Jesus Christ.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having “mine own righteousness”, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith “of” Christ, the righteousness which is “of” God by faith:

This faith “of” Christ is “the gift of faith”we receive by the grace of God. (not of ourselves)

Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that “not of yourselves”: it is “the gift of God:”

God foretold of how his servants would have “His righteousness” imputed to them.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and “their righteousness is of me”, saith the Lord.

We receive this righteousness “of” God by the faith “of “Jesus Christ, when “we believe in” Him.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through “the righteousness of God” and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith “of” Jesus Christ might be “given to them” that believe. (gift of faith)

So in order to receive this gift, we must believe in (by faith in) the words of God concerning His Son, and in the power of the cross, in the cleansing power of the blood of Christ; and in the power of God’s resurrection through Jesus Christ our Lord.

For this is “the work of God”, that you “believe” on Him whom He has sent.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by “faith in” Christ Jesus.

So “believe” the words of Jesus Christ, and seek God’s righteousness by “faith in” Jesus Christ.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and “his righteousness”; and all these things shall be added unto you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might “be made” the righteousness of God “in him.”

This gift of grace and of the righteousness of God, and of the faith “of” Christ cannot be “earned by your own works”, it is a gift given to those who truly believe.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God “without the law” is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith “of” Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them “that believe”: for there is no difference:

Romans 4:6 “Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness “without works”,

Romans 10:3 “For they being ignorant of “God's righteousness”, and going about to establish “their own righteousness”, have not submitted themselves unto “the righteousness of God”.

Galatians 2:21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

James 2:23 “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham “believed God”, and it was “imputed unto him for righteousness”: and he was called the Friend of God.

We cannot save ourselves or work off our own sin debt, neither can we make ourselves righteous.

Romans 4:2-5 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3 For what saith the scripture? “Abraham believed God”, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.5 But to him that worketh not, but “believeth on him” that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

So believe in the power of the Lord that can make you righteous

Genesis 15:6 “And he “believed in” the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time“his righteousness”: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which “believeth in” Jesus.”

Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but “believeth on him” that justifieth the ungodly, “his faith” is counted for righteousness.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law “for righteousness” to every one that “believeth”.

Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt “believe in thine heart” that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt besaved. 10 For with the heart man “believeth unto righteousness”; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”​

So believe “in” the Word of God, and receive the imputed righteousness of God, being justified by the faith “of” Jesus Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

stewardofmystery

We, like Abraham have to believe in the Word of God ( Christ) and that faith in God’s Word (Christ) is then imputed unto us as righteousness.

I wrote a study on it here….

When “we truly believe in” God’s Word and what Jesus Christ did for us, by going to the cross to die for our past sins, and to also make us free from the power of future sin and death. Then we, by the grace of God are born again; and we receive the Righteousness “of” God, which is by the faith “of” Jesus Christ. Notice this “gift” of imputed righteousness is by the faith “of”Christ, and is not given to us because of our own works, but by the works “of” Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your response, and I gather from it that you believe imputed righteousness is a consequence of our act of faith or believing. I would disagree with that, I believe scripture teaches that faith/believing is a consequent of having had righteousness imputed because of Christs Faithfulness in His Obedience unto death. Yet that's a different discussion.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

stewardofmystery



Thanks for your response, and I gather from it that you believe imputed righteousness is a consequence of our act of faith or believing. I would disagree with that, I believe scripture teaches that faith/believing is a consequent of having had righteousness imputed because of Christs Faithfulness in His Obedience unto death. Yet that's a different discussion.

Yes, I believe we must believe first in order to be born again and receive the imputed Righteousness.

John 3:15-18​

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King James Version​

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15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[Brightfame52]

stewardofmystery

Yes, I believe we must believe first in order to be born again and receive the imputed Righteousness.

Okay, I believe thats serious error, but most believe that.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

stewardofmystery



Okay, I believe thats serious error, but most believe that.

I see no error whatsoever in believing in Jesus Christ. I would say the serious error would be not believing in Jesus Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

I see no error whatsoever in believing in Jesus Christ. I would say the serious error would be not believing in Jesus Christ.

There is no error in believing in Jesus Christ, if one is believing in Jesus Christ. Sometimes we are deceived.