WHO TOLD YOU?

[Jarhead0311]

Now take that….and apply it inwardly….

And try answering again, how God caused that!

For everything He made, was Goood!

He kicked him out, because he would have lived forever in destruction! It was man himself that cursed the ground, because of his own actions…

It was good until the creation disobeyed the creator.

 

[Luminary]

It was good until the creation disobeyed the creator.

Indeed it was It was paradise. And we are still destroying it.
And choosing too on a daily basis.


It is our home. Our Sustenance. The very air we breath! The very source to our life! (Water)
Physically and Spiritually.
For all that his Spirit of life is in, Is alive!

 

[Jarhead0311]

Indeed it was It was paradise. And we are still destroying it.
And choosing too on a daily basis.


It is our home. Our Sustenance. The very air we breath! The very source to our life! (Water)
Physically and Spiritually.
For all that his Spirit of life is in, Is alive!

I agree the world is our home but it is not adequate for spiritual life which only comes from God.

1Jo 2:15 - Love not the world,neither the things that are in the world.If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

 

[Luminary]

I agree the world is our home but it is not adequate for spiritual life which only comes from God.

1Jo 2:15 - Love not the world,neither the things that are in the world.If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

>Do not put created things above that which created it. <


***For God so loved the World that he sent his Son, that whosoever shall believe in him, shall have Eternal Life! Which is to simply Know Him! Thus lovingly Living…forever!

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

That is a question for God.

God Didn't create humans with the moral law & He also delivered all humans through faith in Christ's sacrifice (Romans7:6). Those who believe receive the deliverance from the forbidden moral law.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

It doesn't. It's just that when you start to categorize everything as either good or evil you become obsessed with the categorizing. If God made them naked and called it very good then
it was and nakedness is no different than fully clothed in His eyes. It's only in ours that we feel the need to cover up in the presence of one another and God. Maybe from simple guilt of what
has been done with the body for them?? Today it's just simply following the rules. I.E. this is what you were taught from a very early age.

No. We are justified because Jesus fulfilled it and died in our place not deserving it for He had never sinned.

That didn't fit the plan. The fall was necessary for them to gain their knowledge of good and evil and to "BECOME LIKE GOD". Remember Jesus was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of
the world to be the sacrifice for the sin of the world. How could that be unless they were intended to fall?
As far as the second half of the question, who says He does? Isaiah 48:8 calls us transgressors from the womb.

How so since God knows both good and evil, as He created both. It's knowing when to use evil to produce good.
Example is God sending judgement upon Israel for their rebellious ways. A form of punishment to turn them back to Him for that is what was in their best interest. Another might be
something like the fornicator being infested with disease to give him/her a taste of the consequence of the action undertook.
Thing is God sends evil even to His elect so that they can forgive it and become more like Him as this is the goal to become just like Jesus who is just like His Father. So in our case
the evil is dispensed to produce a loving (forgiveness ) response in our new spiritual man.
So in short no evil is ever dispensed from His hand without the resultant effect being to mature one into the image of His Son, whether your saved yet or not.
Evil to bring you unto God. Then evil to make you more and more like God.
But in order to understand this you would have to know that everything comes from God and is intended for your good. No chances whatsoever, you just have to see it for what it
is, opportunity.

Romans 8:28 .....All things work to the good for those that love His appearing...... These know it because they are aware of their calling and why they are suffering what they are
suffering.

Transgression is violating the moral law. Babies are born violating but don't have the moral law. So their violation is not reckoned as transgression.

It doesn't. It's just that when you start to categorize everything as either good or evil you become obsessed with the categorizing. If God made them naked and called it very good then
it was and nakedness is no different than fully clothed in His eyes. It's only in ours that we feel the need to cover up in the presence of one another and God. Maybe from simple guilt of what
has been done with the body for them?? Today it's just simply following the rules. I.E. this is what you were taught from a very early age.

No. We are justified because Jesus fulfilled it and died in our place not deserving it for He had never sinned.

That didn't fit the plan. The fall was necessary for them to gain their knowledge of good and evil and to "BECOME LIKE GOD". Remember Jesus was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of
the world to be the sacrifice for the sin of the world. How could that be unless they were intended to fall?
As far as the second half of the question, who says He does? Isaiah 48:8 calls us transgressors from the womb.

How so since God knows both good and evil, as He created both. It's knowing when to use evil to produce good.
Example is God sending judgement upon Israel for their rebellious ways. A form of punishment to turn them back to Him for that is what was in their best interest. Another might be
something like the fornicator being infested with disease to give him/her a taste of the consequence of the action undertook.
Thing is God sends evil even to His elect so that they can forgive it and become more like Him as this is the goal to become just like Jesus who is just like His Father. So in our case
the evil is dispensed to produce a loving (forgiveness ) response in our new spiritual man.
So in short no evil is ever dispensed from His hand without the resultant effect being to mature one into the image of His Son, whether your saved yet or not.
Evil to bring you unto God. Then evil to make you more and more like God.
But in order to understand this you would have to know that everything comes from God and is intended for your good. No chances whatsoever, you just have to see it for what it
is, opportunity.

Romans 8:28 .....All things work to the good for those that love His appearing...... These know it because they are aware of their calling and why they are suffering what they are
suffering.

If you are justified before God by faith in Christ's sacrifice, why do you yet need the moral law? Have you accepted the deliverance from the forbidden moral law according to Romans7:6?

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

I fulfill the law of the Spirit by Faith.

Thus justified.

As it’s works of my Spirit and not of my Flesh. For my flesh can do nothing!

So why did Jesus lived perfectly according to the moral law on our behalf till His death? Are you rejecting justification as a free gift given through Christ's sacrifice?

>Do not put created things above that which created it. <


***For God so loved the World that he sent his Son, that whosoever shall believe in him, shall have Eternal Life! Which is to simply Know Him! Thus lovingly Living…forever!

Heaven & all things in heaven are also created. So why do you seek to go to heaven?

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

I agree the world is our home but it is not adequate for spiritual life which only comes from God.

1Jo 2:15 - Love not the world,neither the things that are in the world.If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Heaven and all things in heaven are also created.

It was good until the creation disobeyed the creator.

It was not good earlier: Genesis 1:2: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters".

 

[Jarhead0311]

It was not good earlier: Genesis 1:2: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters".

I don’t believe God created everything good then Satan destroyed God’s creation and re-created everything. Scripture does not teach that and it is an argument from silence as not one verse says everything was created twice.

 

[Luminary]

Heaven & all things in heaven are also created. So why do you seek to go to heaven?

I don’t seek heaven. For it is already in our midst….

I seek the heart and mind of the one who made it. As this was the desire given me.

 

[Luminary]

I don’t believe God created everything good then Satan destroyed God’s creation and re-created everything. Scripture does not teach that and it is an argument from silence as not one verse says everything was created twice.

Well, depending on where you hear your information, I’ve heard this is the 5th try, that actually made it….

But, here is too speculation…lol

 

[Jarhead0311]

Well, depending on where you hear your information, I’ve heard this is the 5th try, that actually made it….

But, here is too speculation…lol

Nope, I believe Genesis as written not what folks add to it.

 

[Luminary]

So why did Jesus lived perfectly according to the moral law on our behalf till His death? Are you rejecting justification as a free gift given through Christ's sacrifice?

He was made perfect through the things he suffered.

Hebrews 2
5For it is not to angels that He has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6But somewhere it is testified in these words:

“What is man that You are mindful of him,

or the son of man that You care for him?

7You made him a little lowera than the angels;

You crowned him with glory and honorb

8and placed everything under his feet.”c

When God subjected all things to him, He left nothing outside of his control. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the authord of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.12He says:

“I will proclaim Your name to My brothers;

I will sing Your praises in the assembly.”

13And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And once again:

“Here am I, and the children God has given Me.”

14Now since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil,15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

16For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonementh for the sins of the people. 18Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted.


He did this so he could provide a way for us to follow so we may put to death the desires of the flesh, by taking up our own cross.
(By putting into practice the righetousness of God.)

• Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
  Philippians 4:9
• Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
  Matthew 7:24
• If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
  1 John 1:6
• The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.
  Psalm 111:11
• He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
  Luke 11:28
• Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  2 Peter 1:10-11

—No man can pay the sins of another. We will be accountable for every word and deed.

Psalm 49:7
“No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them—“

Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

Deuteronomy 24:16
“16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Matt 12
“For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. 35The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure.36But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Psalm 28:4
Give to them according to their work
and according to the evil of their deeds;
give to them according to the work of their hands;
render them their due reward.

John5:28
“28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”

I honor, respect, and praise his Sacrifice, to leave a way for new Life in me. For indeed he Is My Savior!

 

[Luminary]

Nope, I believe Genesis as written not what folks add to it.

Cool

 

[Beetow]

Here's a rare topic of discussion: Christ not only died for humanity's sins, but also
for its conscience.

• Heb 9:13-14 . . For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer
sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how
much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself
without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the
living God?

The dead working that takes place within humanity's conscience became active when
Adam tasted the forbidden fruit.

• Gen 3:22 . . The Lord God said: The man has now become like one of us, knowing
good and evil.

• Gen 6:5 . . And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and
that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
_

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

He was made perfect through the things he suffered.

Hebrews 2
5For it is not to angels that He has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6But somewhere it is testified in these words:

“What is man that You are mindful of him,

or the son of man that You care for him?

7You made him a little lowera than the angels;

You crowned him with glory and honorb

8and placed everything under his feet.”c

When God subjected all things to him, He left nothing outside of his control. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the authord of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.12He says:

“I will proclaim Your name to My brothers;

I will sing Your praises in the assembly.”

13And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And once again:

“Here am I, and the children God has given Me.”

14Now since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil,15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

16For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonementh for the sins of the people. 18Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted.


He did this so he could provide a way for us to follow so we may put to death the desires of the flesh, by taking up our own cross.
(By putting into practice the righetousness of God.)

• Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
  Philippians 4:9
• Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
  Matthew 7:24
• If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
  1 John 1:6
• The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.
  Psalm 111:11
• He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
  Luke 11:28
• Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  2 Peter 1:10-11

—No man can pay the sins of another. We will be accountable for every word and deed.

Psalm 49:7
“No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them—“

Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

Deuteronomy 24:16
“16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Matt 12
“For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. 35The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure.36But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Psalm 28:4
Give to them according to their work
and according to the evil of their deeds;
give to them according to the work of their hands;
render them their due reward.

John5:28
“28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”

I honor, respect, and praise his Sacrifice, to leave a way for new Life in me. For indeed he Is My Savior!

So you pay for your salvation?

I don’t seek heaven. For it is already in our midst….

I seek the heart and mind of the one who made it. As this was the desire given me.

God doesn't give the moral law to any human.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

I don’t believe God created everything good then Satan destroyed God’s creation and re-created everything. Scripture does not teach that and it is an argument from silence as not one verse says everything was created twice.

You have not explained Genesis 1:2 but just evading.

God created all pleasures. World refers to trust in works to be saved.

 

[Jarhead0311]

You have not explained Genesis 1:2 but just evading.

God created all pleasures. World refers to trust in works to be saved.

There is nothing to explain creation was a process as Genesis teaches.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

There is nothing to explain creation was a process as Genesis teaches.

You are evading from explaining as to why was there chaos & darkness after God created heaven & earth?

 

[Jarhead0311]

You are evading from explaining as to why was there chaos & darkness after God created heaven & earth?

I evaded nothing you added something that never happened between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2. Do you really believe Satan destroyed what God created and He had to recreate the earth ? Your view of God is lacking. Genesis describes the process of creation.