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The first man came out red

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In Revelation 12:3 we read “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” The great red dragon in this verse is a symbolism of Satan, the Devil, or the Serpent as he has many names. But you ever wonder why he is shown as red? I believe it because it is clue for us to understand the nature of the man/beast, which by the way is also shown as red (or scarlet).

Revelation 17:3; “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.” Again the color is a clue to figure out the nature and mark of the beast, which is also the nature of the firstborn man.

Adam being the first man to have iniquity found in him is also a sign of this very thing; just as the name of Adam means earthly, red.

To confirm this sign we are also given a clue in Esau, who was also the firstborn. Genesis 25:25; “And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.” Who also by the way sold his birthright over some red pottage. Genesis 25:30; “And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.” ( Edom means red, earthly, of blood.)

More insight into the sign of the firstborn Esau is also shown here in Romans 9:13; “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” Why was this statement made by the Lord? If you back up to verse 8 we see the meaning in Romans 9:8; “That is, they which are the children of "the flesh", these are not the children of God: but the children of "the promise" are counted for "the seed.

So now we begin to see the firstborn "nature" of man is flesh, or "carnally minded" like a "natural" brute beast. Jesus confirms this truth here in John 3:6; “That which is born of the flesh is "flesh"; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” And is also shown here 1 Corinthians 15:46; “Howbeit that was "not first which is spiritual," but that which is "natural;" and afterward that which is "spiritual.”

The difference between the flesh (carnally minded man) and the Spirit (spiritually minded man) also shows the difference between the "serpents seed" and the "woman's seed"; and is also why the firstborn man persecutes those who are born again of God’s Holy Spirit. Galatians 4:29; “But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.” That is the "enmity between the 2 seeds; Even as Cain the "firstborn" of Adam killed his own righteous brother Abel, and then received a mark.”

In this we also see the "firstborn nature" of man has a different "spirit "working "in" him than that of God’s heavenly Spirit. Just as the Lord said in Genesis 6:3 “My spirit" shall not always "strive" with man, for that he also is "flesh:

This spirit in the firstborn carnally minded man is earthly, lustful and is also of this world; which is also the same spirit of the Red Dragon, or prince of this world. We see the red dragon empowers the scarlet beast which comes up out of the sea.

Revelation 13:2; “And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:4; “And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”

If we worship our heavenly Father and His Lamb in the Spirit of Truth and in righteousness; how do you suppose the firstborn man "worships" the red dragon and the scarlet beast?

And perhaps in better understanding these spiritual things, it will also help one to understand the "mark" of the beast, and also the image of the beast they truly worship through the lusts of their own flesh.

So you still might be wondering what is that "red mark" shown in the "firstborn man of sin", and the red dragon, and the scarlet colored beast?

The answer is found right here in Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your "sins be as scarlet", they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”

It is written in Job 7:20 “I have "sinned"; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a "mark" against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?”

Job 10:14 “If I "sin", then thou "markest" me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine "iniquity.

Jeremiah 2:22 "For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine "iniquity" is "marked" before me, saith the Lord."

Psalm 130:3 If thou, Lord, should "mark iniquities", O Lord, who shall stand?

And perhaps in knowing this mystery of Esau, it will also help one to understand these verses as well…. Obadiah 1:6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but it is the honor of Kings to search it out. Peace and God bless
 
We are all firstborn of the flesh, and also have a sin nature working in us because of Adams original sin. Romans 5:12“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

This is how the serpent corrupted God’s image in Adam by corrupting the ways of man to follow after the serpent’s desire. Genesis 4:7 “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.” This desire of the serpent is to serve the lusts of the flesh, and those who are of his spirit think like their father the Devil; or have the mind of the flesh (carnally minded) being earthly, sensual, and devilish.

But those who are of God the Fathers seed (womans seed) do mind the things of the Spirit of God, or do God’s will, or desire. The 2 seeds of flesh and Spirit are first shown here. Genesis 3:14-15 “And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (“it” is the spirit of a lie)

This enmity between Gods Spirit (Spirit of Truth) and the spirit working in the world and also in the firstborn man who is flesh is shown here. Genesis 6:3 “And the Lord said,

My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” But Jesus Christ came to destroy the body of sin and the works of the Devil. And to remove that enmity, or the spirit of the fleshy or carnal mind in man, and also give man a new Spirit and new mind in order to serve Gods will.

Because these 2 minds (flesh/ Spirit) are contrary to one another, just as the natural man has a mind of the flesh (carnally minded) and cannot understand the spiritual things of God. 1 Corinthians 2:14“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

The only way to resolve this issue of being carnally minded, and of that wicked seed and generation is to be born again and made a new man in Christ. Jesus said in John 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Now pay close attention to what Jesus says here in John 3:3 “ Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

This means the man who is not born again of the Spirit will not see, perceive, or understand the many mysteries of the kingdom spoken of in the law and prophets. The reason being is the kingdom of God does not dwell in Him by way of the Holy Ghost.(Spirit of Truth) Jesus said in Mark 4:11 “And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:”

This is why the world, and even those Christians who are still yet carnal cannot see or hear the many mysteries spoken by the Spirit of God in the law and prophets. And these 2 seeds, and these 2 mind
sets, or ways of thinking strive against one another.

This is why those who are of the world, and of the flesh, hate those who are of the Spirit. Galatians 4:29 “But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.” This persecution was first shown in the firstborn Cain killing Abel; notice Cain was of that Wicked seed in 1 John 3:12“Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.”

This is the wicked and adulterous generation Jesus was talking about in Matthew 16:4 and also in Matthew 12:45. And because they are of the serpents seed both John the Baptist and Jesus referred to them as a generation of vipers, and serpents in Matthew 23:33“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” These are those who are yet in the flesh, and do the lusts of their father the devil, they are the seed of evil doers.

This whole wicked world is under this corrupt condition 1 John 5:19 “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”

And the only remedy for this condition is either destruction, or for a person to come to the cross of Christ and be born again by faith in God’s spiritual seed of promise, and be made a new creature in Christ by His Holy Spirit. Then and only then will the covering vail of the flesh be removed from your mind, and your eyes will be anointed so that they can see the Kingdom of God that is within you.

The first nature working in mankind is sinful, is of the world, earthly, naturally minded, or carnally minded, and walks after the ways of the world. (lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, and pride of life)
John said in John 3:31 “..: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: ..” He speaks of the earth because that is all he knows naturally, like a natural brute beast.

The first man is natural as it is written in 1 Corinthians 15:45-48 “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.”

Our first man is carnally minded, but our new man in Christ is spiritually minded.
Romans 8:6 “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Romans 8:7 “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
Jesus came to remove that enmity….

Ephesians 2:15 “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”
1 Corinthians 2:10-16
 
In Revelation 12:3 we read “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” The great red dragon in this verse is a symbolism of Satan, the Devil, or the Serpent as he has many names. But you ever wonder why he is shown as red? I believe it because it is clue for us to understand the nature of the man/beast, which by the way is also shown as red (or scarlet).

Revelation 17:3; “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.” Again the color is a clue to figure out the nature and mark of the beast, which is also the nature of the firstborn man.

Adam being the first man to have iniquity found in him is also a sign of this very thing; just as the name of Adam means earthly, red.

To confirm this sign we are also given a clue in Esau, who was also the firstborn. Genesis 25:25; “And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.” Who also by the way sold his birthright over some red pottage. Genesis 25:30; “And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.” ( Edom means red, earthly, of blood.)

More insight into the sign of the firstborn Esau is also shown here in Romans 9:13; “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” Why was this statement made by the Lord? If you back up to verse 8 we see the meaning in Romans 9:8; “That is, they which are the children of "the flesh", these are not the children of God: but the children of "the promise" are counted for "the seed.

So now we begin to see the firstborn "nature" of man is flesh, or "carnally minded" like a "natural" brute beast. Jesus confirms this truth here in John 3:6; “That which is born of the flesh is "flesh"; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” And is also shown here 1 Corinthians 15:46; “Howbeit that was "not first which is spiritual," but that which is "natural;" and afterward that which is "spiritual.”

The difference between the flesh (carnally minded man) and the Spirit (spiritually minded man) also shows the difference between the "serpents seed" and the "woman's seed"; and is also why the firstborn man persecutes those who are born again of God’s Holy Spirit. Galatians 4:29; “But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.” That is the "enmity between the 2 seeds; Even as Cain the "firstborn" of Adam killed his own righteous brother Abel, and then received a mark.”

In this we also see the "firstborn nature" of man has a different "spirit "working "in" him than that of God’s heavenly Spirit. Just as the Lord said in Genesis 6:3 “My spirit" shall not always "strive" with man, for that he also is "flesh:

This spirit in the firstborn carnally minded man is earthly, lustful and is also of this world; which is also the same spirit of the Red Dragon, or prince of this world. We see the red dragon empowers the scarlet beast which comes up out of the sea.

Revelation 13:2; “And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:4; “And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”

If we worship our heavenly Father and His Lamb in the Spirit of Truth and in righteousness; how do you suppose the firstborn man "worships" the red dragon and the scarlet beast?

And perhaps in better understanding these spiritual things, it will also help one to understand the "mark" of the beast, and also the image of the beast they truly worship through the lusts of their own flesh.

So you still might be wondering what is that "red mark" shown in the "firstborn man of sin", and the red dragon, and the scarlet colored beast?

The answer is found right here in Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your "sins be as scarlet", they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”

It is written in Job 7:20 “I have "sinned"; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a "mark" against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?”

Job 10:14 “If I "sin", then thou "markest" me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine "iniquity.

Jeremiah 2:22 "For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine "iniquity" is "marked" before me, saith the Lord."

Psalm 130:3 If thou, Lord, should "mark iniquities", O Lord, who shall stand?

And perhaps in knowing this mystery of Esau, it will also help one to understand these verses as well…. Obadiah 1:6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but it is the honor of Kings to search it out. Peace and God bless

Beginning with your OP Subject-- your premise begins with an error that affects your (mis)understanding throughout.

"Adam" does not mean "red" and the first man didn't come out red. The first man was made spirit-- spirit, born of spirit. Man- physical man was made in the image of the divine and formed from the soil- earth man, earthy and I'm sure you know (but perhaps have forgotten) his name wasn't Adam, but adam simply means "man." It does not mean "red."

The adam (man) was formed from the adamah (ground). Beginning in chapter two of Genesis you see translators interchanging the generic adam (man) for the proper name "Adam" but in the original languages no such distinction exists. It's the same word. Man. Once Eve- is taken out of adam, a different word is used for man (ish) as is appropriate because from that moment on the man is changed, having a part of 'him' removed and separated from the whole adam into two distinct parts. Neither being "red" but one being flesh. You have adam the whole man made male and female in the image of God being divided to ish and ishshah. A man and his wife/companion. One flesh.

The word for red is admoni. Your error is in equating this to adam. It means he (Esau) came out of the womb ruddy. It has nothing to do with Adam.
 
Beginning with your OP Subject-- your premise begins with an error that affects your (mis)understanding throughout.

"Adam" does not mean "red" and the first man didn't come out red. The first man was made spirit-- spirit, born of spirit. Man- physical man was made in the image of the divine and formed from the soil- earth man, earthy and I'm sure you know (but perhaps have forgotten) his name wasn't Adam, but adam simply means "man." It does not mean "red."

The adam (man) was formed from the adamah (ground). Beginning in chapter two of Genesis you see translators interchanging the generic adam (man) for the proper name "Adam" but in the original languages no such distinction exists. It's the same word. Man. Once Eve- is taken out of adam, a different word is used for man (ish) as is appropriate because from that moment on the man is changed, having a part of 'him' removed and separated from the whole adam into two distinct parts. Neither being "red" but one being flesh. You have adam the whole man made male and female in the image of God being divided to ish and ishshah. A man and his wife/companion. One flesh.

The word for red is admoni. Your error is in equating this to adam. It means he (Esau) came out of the womb ruddy. It has nothing to do with Adam.
Wrong, Adam in the Hebrew is shown as ruddy= red

Strong’s Definitions
אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam'; from H119; ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.)

Ruddy means red in Hebrew…

Strong’s Definitions
אַדְמֹנִי ʼadmônîy, ad-mo-nee'; or (fully) אַדְמוֹנִי ʼadmôwnîy ; from H119; reddish (of the hair or the complexion):—red, ruddy.
 
Wrong, Adam in the Hebrew is shown as ruddy= red

Strong’s Definitions
אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam'; from H119; ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.)

Ruddy means red in Hebrew…

Strong’s Definitions
אַדְמֹנִי ʼadmônîy, ad-mo-nee'; or (fully) אַדְמוֹנִי ʼadmôwnîy ; from H119; reddish (of the hair or the complexion):—red, ruddy.

Is H119 (adom) used in Genesis? Or is it H110? (adam)

Try again Quickdraw.
 
How bout the Greek meaning of Adam…..

Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. Adam = "the red earth"
    1. Adam, the first man, the parent of the whole human family
 
A quick internet search of the Hebrew name “Adam”would have showed you this…..

What does Adam mean and stand for?​

The name Adam is of Hebrew origin and means "son of the red Earth". It derives from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", and is oftentimes used to reference mankind.
 
A quick internet search of the Hebrew name “Adam”would have showed you this…..

What does Adam mean and stand for?​

The name Adam is of Hebrew origin and means "son of the red Earth". It derives from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", and is oftentimes used to reference mankind.

Let me bail you out of Hebrew jail.

“Edom” means red. It’s both a description and a name of a place. You can equate it to the familiar word “Colorado” which is both a description - the color red, and the name of a place. If I told you about a cowboy names Colorado, that wouldn’t mean he’s a red skinned man, but it might mean he’s from Colorado or simply named Colorado.

“Adam” means man who was taken from the adamah man from the soil) and if you wanted to say earth or clay or even “red” soil, that would t be wrong, but it does not equate to your saying that the name Adam means red and red means sin.

It’s something that was unique to Esau (also called Edom) in that he was red, hairy, and with a ruddy complexion, but in the name Adam it speaks not of something unique, but of what is common to all men (mankind) in that Adam and Eve alike were ‘of the earth’

It’s talking about the physical nature, the physical forming from the “red” earth, the way clay is molded into shape to become a container for something. For what? For the spirit.

If you follow your logic to its fatal conclusion you have God forming man from sin. Adam the Red, sinful at inception.

Sorry Stew, not buying your pottage.
 
Adam” means man who was taken from the adamah man from the soil) and if you wanted to say earth or clay or even “red” soil, that would t be wrong, but it does not equate to your saying that the name Adam means red and red means sin.

It’s something that was unique to Esau (also called Edom) in that he was red, hairy, and with a ruddy complexion, but in the name Adam it speaks not of something unique, but of what is common to all men (mankind) in that Adam and Eve alike were ‘of the earth’

It’s talking about the physical nature, the physical forming from the “red” earth, the way clay is molded into shape to become a container for something. For what? For the spirit.

If you follow your logic to its fatal conclusion you have God forming man from sin. Adam the Red, sinful at inception.

Sorry Stew, not buying your pottage.
Clearly you do not receive correction, nor do you understand “the spiritual”things of God. Have a nice evening.
 
Clearly you do not receive correction, nor do you understand “the spiritual”things of God. Have a nice evening.

Adam means red! And that sounds like Edom! And Edom means red!

And red means sin and that rhymes with Tim and that starts with T!

Oh man we got Trouble!

 
Pardon me for butting in here….

But it would seem that both of you are along the same lines. Only separated by language. And perhaps culture(?)

Considering that the “cradle of life” started within the Middle East, these people are of a reddish brown color. More west, the get redder like the American Indians. Also to include the Mayans as they are much older, and are shown to have that reddish brown tint to their skin. This would be the physical side. That “earthly” side. The survival side.

Yet on the Spiritual side of things, living from their base instinct, in survival mode, carries a “red” hue to it, in the things unseen too our eyes.
Living from a “carnal” state, satisfying the flesh….

But it needs to be noted, that humanity as a whole, is in the process of an -Conscious- evolution. These writings, and the people they speak of, are at the level of a Child. If that. For we haven’t exactly come very far, just in the last 10000 years. Our intelligence far surpasses our maturity. And considering that the human race can only be dated back to about 200,000 years….we still have a ways to go.

So Truly, bravo to both of you! For you both added peices, that helps to make the picture whole! Which is the whole point in the first place:)
Thank you to both of you!
 
The color red shown in the first man Adam and in the firstborn Esau was a "sign" to "symbolize" the first "nature" and "spirit" working "in" the world, and also "in" all those who firstborn of the "flesh". The color red "symbolizes" sin and the "sin nature" that is found "in" all those who firstborn of the earth, being "earthy"; just as the beast that also comes up out of the earth is also shown as scarlet colored and the Dragon is also shown as Red, representing the same sin nature.

When God comes to destroy the "sinners" from off the earth,(Isaiah 13:9) and tread the grapes of wrath in the winepress;(Rev. 19:15) it is shown He is coming from Edom, Bozrah, and Idumea "signifying" this same message of destroying those who are of the serpents seed, being shown in the color red. (Edom, Bozrah, and Idumea)

Isaiah 63:1-6 “Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.”

Treading the winepress…..

Revelation 19:15 “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.”

A great slaughter is forecast in the land of Edom (Idumea)

Isaiah 34:4-6 “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon "the people of my curse", to judgment.6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

The "cursed people" are those who cannot cease from sin as shown in ...2 Peter 2:14 "Having eyes full of adultry, and that "cannot cease from sin"; being unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; "cursed children:"

Hebrews 12:16-17 " Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For you know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."
 
Pardon me for butting in here….

But it would seem that both of you are along the same lines. Only separated by language. And perhaps culture(?)

Considering that the “cradle of life” started within the Middle East, these people are of a reddish brown color. More west, the get redder like the American Indians. Also to include the Mayans as they are much older, and are shown to have that reddish brown tint to their skin. This would be the physical side. That “earthly” side. The survival side.

Yet on the Spiritual side of things, living from their base instinct, in survival mode, carries a “red” hue to it, in the things unseen too our eyes.
Living from a “carnal” state, satisfying the flesh….

But it needs to be noted, that humanity as a whole, is in the process of an -Conscious- evolution. These writings, and the people they speak of, are at the level of a Child. If that. For we haven’t exactly come very far, just in the last 10000 years. Our intelligence far surpasses our maturity. And considering that the human race can only be dated back to about 200,000 years….we still have a ways to go.

So Truly, bravo to both of you! For you both added peices, that helps to make the picture whole! Which is the whole point in the first place:)
Thank you to both of you!

I can appreciate that. The only point I'm trying to make is that Adam (the name of that person many associate with the first human) does not mean red.

You know, it's funny in a sense that we (here in North America) easily equate red-skinned with 'native' Americans--- as in the skin tone of the people that were here before any white people arrived. There are very good and interesting videos that debunk the whole 'Out of Africa' theory (more properly we should call it theology rather than theory) and one anthropologist that I know -named Robert Sepehr has a multitude of youtube vids on the subject, many of which include an exploration of this red-man idea. I don't agree with much of what he presents, but much of it I do find interesting. He has one vid in particular on the 0 negative blood type that touches on origins and has a couple million views. I won't link it here (in case that's against some kind of rule) but you can easily find it by searching- He dives into 'red' civilizations in other vids on Phonecia (meaning blood red) if you have an interest.

Rh- Negative Blood and Antediluvian Civilizations - ROBERT SEPEHR​


But that's NOT what I'm talking about here. I'm focusing on the tendency for people to take an idea, forming it into a premise, then building an entire theology around that premise. That's exactly how denominations are formed. How sects are formed, even how cults are formed. Get yourself a following and in time you have the Millerites, and from that the Seventh Day Adventists, the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Calvinists, the Mid-Acts Dispensationalists, the Catholics, the Protestants and so on....

Even bad ideas and false premises can become the foundation for such groups. It's an association game. You take an idea and build a theology around it-- things to support your idea. You cherry pick supporting material and embrace it while at the same time ignoring the material that counters your premise. I'll give an example...

In Exodus you have Moses and the people constructing the tabernacle for the ark of God-- what they considered to be the house for the very presence of God. "‘Take from among you a contribution to the LORD; whoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it as the LORD’S contribution: gold, silver, and bronze, and blue, purple and scarlet material, fine linen, goats’ hair, and rams’ skins dyed red, and porpoise skins, and acacia wood, and oil for lighting, and spices for the anointing oil, and for the fragrant incense, and onyx stones and setting stones for the ephod and for the breastpiece."

The Hebrew word in that passage is adom (red). It's a different word entirely from the Hebrew word for man (adam). They are not interchangeable. They don't mean the same thing just like Edom and Adam are not the same word and do not mean the same thing. The "red" (admoni) that Esau came out of the womb as is not the same as the 'red' soil that the man (adam or Adam) was formed from. That's the first problem. The second problem stems from the first error. When you want to parlay "red" into meaning "sin" are you willing to do so consistently? Is red blood then an equivalent? Are those red-dyed skins that cover the tabernacle then 'symbolic' of a covering of sin for the ark of God? It's problematic. Is the red blood sprinkled on the altar for sacrifice symbolic of sin? No-- it's a payment for sin.

The "dom" or "dam" root of all those words and names above comes from the single root word for red. It's the exact same word scripture uses for "blood" and sorry-- blood is not symbolic of sin. Unless you've constructed a whole new theology based upon that misconcept.
 
The color red shown in the first man Adam and in the firstborn Esau was a "sign" to "symbolize" the first "nature" and "spirit" working "in" the world, and also "in" all those who firstborn of the "flesh". The color red "symbolizes" sin and the "sin nature" that is found "in" all those who firstborn of the earth, being "earthy"; just as the beast that also comes up out of the earth is also shown as scarlet colored and the Dragon is also shown as Red, representing the same sin nature.

When God comes to destroy the "sinners" from off the earth,(Isaiah 13:9) and tread the grapes of wrath in the winepress;(Rev. 19:15) it is shown He is coming from Edom, Bozrah, and Idumea "signifying" this same message of destroying those who are of the serpents seed, being shown in the color red. (Edom, Bozrah, and Idumea)

Isaiah 63:1-6 “Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.”

Treading the winepress…..

Revelation 19:15 “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.”

A great slaughter is forecast in the land of Edom (Idumea)

Isaiah 34:4-6 “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon "the people of my curse", to judgment.6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

The "cursed people" are those who cannot cease from sin as shown in ...2 Peter 2:14 "Having eyes full of adultry, and that "cannot cease from sin"; being unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; "cursed children:"

Hebrews 12:16-17 " Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For you know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

Nonsense.

It's blood. And blood happens to be red.

Do you know why Esau was given the name Red? (Edom) It's NOT a mystery Stew. Scripture tells us.

First he was born hairy and ruddy (with a red complexion or perhaps red hair). Second-- and scripture is specific about this-- it's because he traded his birthright as the firstborn son, for a pot of red stew.

When Jacob had cooked stew, Esau came in from the field and he was famished; and Esau said to Jacob, “Please let me have a swallow of that red stuff there, for I am famished.” Therefore his name was called Edom. (red)
 
Nonsense.

It's blood. And blood happens to be red.

Do you know why Esau was given the name Red? (Edom) It's NOT a mystery Stew. Scripture tells us.

First he was born hairy and ruddy (with a red complexion or perhaps red hair). Second-- and scripture is specific about this-- it's because he traded his birthright as the firstborn son, for a pot of red stew.

When Jacob had cooked stew, Esau came in from the field and he was famished; and Esau said to Jacob, “Please let me have a swallow of that red stuff there, for I am famished.” Therefore his name was called Edom. (red)
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are “spiritually discerned.”
 

John 3:31-32​

King James Version​

31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

1 Corinthians 15:45-50​

King James Version​

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 
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