If you don’t believe, in ETERNAL Punishment we need to act like one Exists! “The River of No Return”

[PloughBoy]

He ain’t going to“Trick Me”! People better Think! And some saying there is no demons and a devil, and The Lake of Fire is only for Demons and false prophets, [Proclaimers]

A whole lot “Women” is in “Hades”, The Church ands is not going you that
they call it Hate speech. The Bible refers to it, as A “Labor of Love”
But I know “Flattery” will get you everywhere” And who loves the tone of “Flattery”?

 

[PloughBoy]

Eternal Punishment Exists, No matter what Name you Give it! Hell hades The Grave, Gahanna! You can call it what you want!

 

[Samson2020]

Just a couple simple questions.

If it's up to the Father to draw a person to the Son and it's up to the Father to give that person the FAITH necessary to believe, why then do we seem to want those that He does
not choose to draw nor give that faith to, at this time, to eternally suffer. He didn't do that to Jesus, in fact Jesus was the sacrifice for the sin of ALL mankind to be testified in due time?

Is your God too incapable of having mercy on all? Is He too unloving to forgive all when we are commanded to forgive all? Or is it just your lack of understanding the spiritual
language used in Revelation that leads you down that road. The heresy of damnation.

 

[PloughBoy]

Just a couple simple questions.

If it's up to the Father to draw a person to the Son and it's up to the Father to give that person the FAITH necessary to believe, why then do we seem to want those that He does
not choose to draw nor give that faith to, at this time, to eternally suffer. He didn't do that to Jesus, in fact Jesus was the sacrifice for the sin of ALL mankind to be testified in due time?

Is your God too incapable of having mercy on all? Is He too unloving to forgive all when we are commanded to forgive all? Or is it just your lack of understanding the spiritual
language used in Revelation that leads you down that road. The heresy of damnation.

Ok, at The moment, for I am nothing but a “finite” creature waiting on my change. For as “GOD” who is some of us “Father” indicative. I don’t know nothing about His business. So far, what I do know, I am a “piece” dirt. and in “Anthropomorphic terms” HE Is “The POTTER” “Can The Clay speak to The POTTER, and question why you made me like this and made Them like that! Now this view point is “Spoken in Anthropomorphic terms” to convey a “Theological Thought” not a “Religious Thought” to look into “The Eyes of “DEITY”.
And backed up by these words:

“
For My thoughts are not your thoughts,

Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.

9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

So are My ways higherthan your ways

And My thoughts than your thoughts.

10“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,

And do not return therewithout watering the earth

And making it produce and sprout,

And providing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;

11So will My word be whichgoes out of My mouth;

It will not return to Me empty,

Without accomplishingwhat I desire,

And without succeeding in the purpose for which I sent it.”

Many are going to “ETERNAL PUNISHMENT” and a FEW into “ETERNAL LIFE” just Wait, It is “Imperative” we ALL will see. No matter what side of The River you will be on

When you laid down at night when you walk in the cool of The Day and When you sit down at The Table, you stew it, like “Gravy on biscuits” and Pouring “Molasses” on a Cool Sunday Morning in October, While The Oak Leaves are changing colors.

 

[Samson2020]

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, that no man could number, of all nations, kindreds, people, and tongues stood before the throne, and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes and palms in their hands;

Many are going to “ETERNAL PUNISHMENT” and a FEW into “ETERNAL LIFE” just Wait, It is “Imperative” we ALL will see. No matter what side of The River you will be on

I'm curious what a great multitide that no man could number would be? It doesn't sound like a small remnant.

 

[PloughBoy]

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, that no man could number, of all nations, kindreds, people, and tongues stood before the throne, and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes and palms in their hands;



I'm curious what a great multitide that no man could number would be? It doesn't sound like a small remnant.

I am quite sure there is a great number that no man can number like The “Stars in The Sky” He did tell “Abraham” that!
But from “The beginning of Time” or coming out of a time of “Great Tribulation.

for living right now this very day in this world there are about “8 Billion people living to day! And out of that 8 billion only a few will be saved.

If 10 % are saved out of todays “8 Billion” that comes to “800 million” that is a small amount out “8 Billion” [ When was the last time you counted up to 800 million?]

For My thoughts are not your thoughts,

Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.

9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

So are My ways higherthan your ways

And My thoughts than your thoughts.

10“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,

And do not return therewithout watering the earth

And making it produce and sprout,

And providing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;

11So will My word be whichgoes out of My mouth;

It will not return to Me empty,

Without accomplishingwhat I desire,

And without succeeding in the purpose for which I sent it.


Now, since The beginning of Creation, Time, Hypothetically, let us say; 6,000 years has past. Now let us say; of all the people combine together, let us say that only 7 or 8 percent will be saved. Now THAT is A great number and it also is A “Few” number that will be saved.

PS. I do know how to “CIPHER”!

Note: “A Theological thought” and we have also a “Religious Thought”.

Then we have “Hermeneutics”.

“When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense seek no other sense”

“And I Always remember, Let every be a liar and The Word of GOD be true”

For I am a man.

And my statement is not a “Paradox”.

 

[Samson2020]

Now, since The beginning of Creation, Time, Hypothetically, let us say; 6,000 years has past. Now let us say; of all the people combine together, let us say that only 7 or 8 percent will be saved. Now THAT is A great number and it also is A “Few” number that will be saved.

Yes lets include them that were born and died prior to the NT. How exactly do they even have a chance seeing without the spirit they are none of His? JTB was the greatest man born of a woman, but yet the least in the kingdom is greater than he. Does this imply that JTB will never be in the kingdom, or that when his time comes it will be after the second resurrection
during the second death period? Lets include David, Adam, Eve, Abel, Samuel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel, etc.... When is it their turn to come into life?

The way that leads unto life is indeed narrow and few there be that find it. Why? Because it is up to the Father to lead them to the WAY, Jesus. Unless He has mercy on them they will in no
way find the WAY.

However Paul tells us that God hath concluded ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy on ALL. Romans 11:32
NLT "For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so He could have mercy on everyone."
RSV "For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that He may have mercy upon all."

How do we fit these verses into the idea that God will suffer the majority to an eternal punishment? God is love and love demands forgiveness.

Romans 5:20-21 God's law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God's wonderful grace became more abundant.
So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now Gods wonderful grace rules instead giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through
Jesus Christ our Lord.

NIV Romans 5:18 "Consequently just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for ALL people."

The only real question is when do the others join us? after the second death time, the third??

Ephesians 1:10 "And this is the plan: at the right time He will bring everything together under the authority of Christ, everything in Heaven and on earth."
He must reign til ALL enemies are put under His feet.
That is the reconciliation of ALL things accomplished by His shed blood Col 1:20

 

[Samson2020]

What is the truth that sets one free?

Is is that you were chosen by God to as a vessel to mercy and the rest to eternal torment because He didn't like them?

Or that through the shed blood of Jesus everything will be reconciled unto the Father according to His own timing, which includes your entire family and all people?

 

[Dave M]

If it's up to the Father to draw a person to the Son and it's up to the Father to give that person the FAITH necessary to believe,

the bible also puts a lot of responsibility on us

Matthew 6:33​

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Luke 11:9 ​

And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

Faith comes from hearing

Romans 10:17​

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

 

[B-A-C]

Or that through the shed blood of Jesus everything will be reconciled unto the Father according to His own timing, which includes your entire family and all people?

Reconciled in that context simply means "paid off".
It will either be paid by Jesus....
Or it will be paid by you.... but you won't like the price.
But either way.. it will be reconciled.

 

[B-A-C]

the bible also puts a lot of responsibility on us

Amen.

Heb 11:6; And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

 

[B-A-C]

Is your God too incapable of having mercy on all? Is He too unloving to forgive all when we are commanded to forgive all? Or is it just your lack of understanding the spiritual
language used in Revelation that leads you down that road. The heresy of damnation.

God has mercy on all. Anyone/Everyone can accept/receive/obey Jesus. Nothing is stopping them.
It's their choice to reject Jesus. Not God's. (despite John MacArthur's calvinistic views).
God doesn't send anyone to hell. People choose for themselves to go to hell.

 

[Samson2020]

God has mercy on all. Anyone/Everyone can accept/receive/obey Jesus. Nothing is stopping them.

Oh really? Romans 9:16 "So then it is NOT of him that wills, NOR of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy."

1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them that stumble at the word, being disobedient: WHEREUNTO THEY WERE APPOINTED."??????

Who appointed them to disobedience and stumbling at the word of the kingdom???? And you would say then that you chose Him vs He chose you???

So according to you it's up to the individual, but according to scripture it isn't. Faith has to be given first from the Father, otherwise the wrath of God still abides on that vessel of dishonor.
We were all partakers of that wrath until we received mercy in the form of faith to believe unto salvation.

Romans 8:20 "The creation was made subject to vanity NOT WILLINGLY but BY REASON OF HIM WHO HATH SUBJECTED THE SAME IN HOPE."

Are you not part of the creation? If so, you were subject to vanity by the will of the Father!

 

[PloughBoy]

Yes lets include them that were born and died prior to the NT. How exactly do they even have a chance seeing without the spirit they are none of His? JTB was the greatest man born of a woman, but yet the least in the kingdom is greater than he. Does this imply that JTB will never be in the kingdom, or that when his time comes it will be after the second resurrection
during the second death period? Lets include David, Adam, Eve, Abel, Samuel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel, etc.... When is it their turn to come into life?

The way that leads unto life is indeed narrow and few there be that find it. Why? Because it is up to the Father to lead them to the WAY, Jesus. Unless He has mercy on them they will in no
way find the WAY.

However Paul tells us that God hath concluded ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy on ALL. Romans 11:32
NLT "For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so He could have mercy on everyone."
RSV "For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that He may have mercy upon all."

How do we fit these verses into the idea that God will suffer the majority to an eternal punishment? God is love and love demands forgiveness.

Romans 5:20-21 God's law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God's wonderful grace became more abundant.
So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now Gods wonderful grace rules instead giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through
Jesus Christ our Lord.

NIV Romans 5:18 "Consequently just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for ALL people."

The only real question is when do the others join us? after the second death time, the third??

Ephesians 1:10 "And this is the plan: at the right time He will bring everything together under the authority of Christ, everything in Heaven and on earth."
He must reign til ALL enemies are put under His feet.
That is the reconciliation of ALL things accomplished by His shed blood Col 1:20

Sir, did I not use the introduction statement for the Text which is in question here?

“Now, since The beginning of Creation, Time, Hypothetically,

and I Proceeded “Hypothetically”!
I did not speak in “Absolutes”. Concerning my thoughts, so, but you, spoke as if my Hypothetical was my claim was “Absolute”.

And I thought I did Separate the two patterns the best I could.

But I do see that you also have pull into play. A whole hosts of other displays which lies within their own Particular rights of study. That should be done Individually. Once that has been done and Establish. they can be “rightly place into The Texture of “Salvation”. And then be displayed on “The Wall” That many may see and Decide.

Sorry, I cannot at this point answer the many inputs you have Suggested. Unless we both have a understanding of each player you have place in the game and what they play into “The Salvation Works” of “The ALMIGHTY GOD” and His “SALVATION”.

PS. For me and you have not The Same Definitions of “Biblical Terminologies” or “Theological Words” and this places a great golf between us too.

If you say white I am thinking black. If I am thinking dog you are thinking cat. These are silent thoughts. And I for Sure, I do speak “Calvinese” most of the time because it is my “Theological Language” and I know you cannot speak or Quite understand that form of “Tongues”.

So it is not a Hatred or anger here, but a language problem in order for us to Commute The Biblical Text within “The Text of “Holy Scripture”.

PS. One Bite at a time. Then we chew slowly.
Now over 35 years ago their would not be a problem in our language concerning the Biblical text.

Like my wife had said to me why are over here with these people , you sound just like these other people, I cannot understand what they are saying, you talk just like them

My reply was “What people”. The people I be sending this money too! I said where are they at? She pointed me in the right direction.

I said, you mean it is a word for that! And there is a word that? I got kinda scared, because I started to understand them clearly! When a lot could not!
Matter of fact before they spoke I knew what was about to come out of their mouth!

My wife would say I listen to them on the radio, they would say the Exact same thing you say! I ask what channel is that?

I was Unaware, there anyone just like me!

My brother who is also a “Pastor” said that I was “ radical” in the church. But really I was a “Reformer” at Birth. A born “Calvinist” Augustinian sound, and Apostle Paul Miraculous. “ Theophany” Motivated. And set on “Fire”. And got a view of Hades and its heat and it is not like the heat on earth and I felt the “Torment” of “ETERNAL PUNISHMENT” and “Lying”.

That place is real!
I have warn you, It’s real!!

As sure as you feel The HOLY GHOST, That Other PLACE is REAL!

You don’t want to go to that PLACE! Even “Temporary”!

Why you show me LORD,

His reply: “Why Not You”!

If you haven’t never been There

I am not hating, you can believe what you want to believe, I don’t care!

And on that day I will not be telling you “I told you”
I ain’t going to say a word!

 

[Samson2020]

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[Samson2020]

Amen.

Heb 11:6; And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

I agree with this 100%

In light of "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it (faith) is the gift of God."
To those who received faith to believe unto salvation, it is only then that they can begin to try to please God in becoming a son, for that is what you were given the power to become.
John 1:12

 

[PloughBoy]

Oh really? Romans 9:16 "So then it is NOT of him that wills, NOR of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy."

1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them that stumble at the word, being disobedient: WHEREUNTO THEY WERE APPOINTED."??????

Who appointed them to disobedience and stumbling at the word of the kingdom???? And you would say then that you chose Him vs He chose you???

So according to you it's up to the individual, but according to scripture it isn't. Faith has to be given first from the Father, otherwise the wrath of God still abides on that vessel of dishonor.
We were all partakers of that wrath until we received mercy in the form of faith to believe unto salvation.

Romans 8:20 "The creation was made subject to vanity NOT WILLINGLY but BY REASON OF HIM WHO HATH SUBJECTED THE SAME IN HOPE."

Are you not part of the creation? If so, you were subject to vanity by the will of the Father!

Your quote:
“Are you not part of the creation? If so, you were subject to vanity by the will of the Father!”

That is why I died! And became a “New Creature” “Born of GOD” who citizenship is in “Heaven” and I am waiting on my new Body! He Promise he was coming “BACK” to get Me! some of us and We are waiting! Because HE promise! He was going give us That “Glorified BODY”. More Brighter Than Sun! I hope I will so “Bright” I will burn up “The SUN”!

“For Our GOD is A Consuming Fire”! And we will be “Coram Deo”

 

[PloughBoy]

Amen.

Heb 11:6; And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

That word that you are Implying There “Faith” in that context means in Hebrew “TRUST”!

Without Trust in GOD!!! it Is Impossible to please Him!

I told y’all I know How to read The Bible, The Translated text of “Holy Scripture”. When many see “Black I see White”!

In Neon lights! On a “Dark night” without a Star in sight!

I know something about The GOD in whom “I TRUST”!!

I am getting warm up! And I am on “a HILL”!

 

[B-A-C]

That word that you are Implying There “Faith” in that context means in Hebrew “TRUST”!

Sorry, not in this context. It actually tells us this in the verse.

Hebrews 11:6
(AMPC) But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out].
(ASV) and without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto him; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him.
(ESV) And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
(KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(MKJV) But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
(NAS77) And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
(NAS95) And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
(NIrV) Without faith it isn't possible to please God. Those who come to God must believe that he exists. And they must believe that he rewards those who look to him.
(NIV) And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
(NLT) And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.
(TPT) And without faith living within us it would be impossible to please God. For we come to God in faith knowing that he is real and that he rewards the faith of those who give all their passion and strength into seeking him.

Faith here, means you "must believe that God exists". You can't trust in Him, unless you believe He really exists.
In fact the entire context of Hebrews 11 is...

Heb 11:1; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Believing in something you can't see or touch. Nothing about trust here.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sorry, not in this context. It actually tells us this in the verse.

Hebrews 11:6
(AMPC) But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out].
(ASV) and without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto him; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him.
(ESV) And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
(KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(MKJV) But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
(NAS77) And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
(NAS95) And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
(NIrV) Without faith it isn't possible to please God. Those who come to God must believe that he exists. And they must believe that he rewards those who look to him.
(NIV) And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
(NLT) And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.
(TPT) And without faith living within us it would be impossible to please God. For we come to God in faith knowing that he is real and that he rewards the faith of those who give all their passion and strength into seeking him.

Faith here, means you "must believe that God exists". You can't trust in Him, unless you believe He really exists.
In fact the entire context of Hebrews 11 is...

Heb 11:1; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Believing in something you can't see or touch. Nothing about trust here.

I will say this again and I am not being mean and no one have to believe it.

For “TRUSTING” in GOD and Faith is interchangeable. For sometimes “You Must “TRUST” GOD! There cannot be no weakness or waving when you “TRUST GOD”. there is a Time to believe [Faith] and There is a Time to “TRUST”!

PS. the Letter was written to the Hebrew people!


“Let's define “faith.” The Hebrew word emunah (אמונה, pronounced “eh-moo-nah”) is understood in English to mean “faith” or “belief”. But it is often also translated as “faithfulness.” And yet, it describes much more than just believing a statement about God. It reveals a life of full reliance upon Him.