Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[brighthouse98]

But Daniel!!! Paul never spoke on his own but rather!!!! (2 Peter 1:19-21!!) hehe

 

[Daniel L.]

hehe

The Holy Spirit cannot contradict Jesus, so either Paul didn't have the Holy Spirit, or "not of works" actually means keep the commandments if you want to live.

 

[brighthouse98]

ic Daniel you never read my scripture

 

[Sue D.]

How about the passage says what it means-- not of works and you don't have an understanding of what inspired means.

God told men what to write through the holy spirit. Just like the verse says that 'brighthouse 98' shared.

 

[Daniel L.]

How about the passage says what it means-- not of works and you don't have an understanding of what inspired means.

The Witness of God is Greater.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

-The Holy Spirit cannot contradict Jesus, so "not of works" can only mean yes of works, or else it is not inspired.

 

[God's Truth]

That verse is saying that God sees what We think are good works as dirty rags.

No. No way. It is never as a filthy rag to obey God.

Which is why what we think are good works for salvation, aren't needed or wanted by God. The blood of Jesus Christ that was she'd on the cross is all that's needed for a person's salvation.

People are taught wrong about the filthy rags scripture.

God did not like it that the Jews could sin, do a righteous act and give a sin offering, but not really be sorry for their sins.
They weren't sorry for their sins.
They wouldn't stop sinning, they would not repent.
It made their righteous blood offerings like a filthy rag offering.

Isaiah 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!


Their offerings were meaningless because they were not sorry for their sins.


Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Meaningless Offerings

10Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

11To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

13Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

15And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

17Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

 

[God's Truth]

Of course there's the need for repenting as part of salvation. But it's not a good work. Because Ephesians 2 passage says Not of works , lest sny man should boast'.

The 'not of works' that Paul speaks of is that no one is to do the purification/ceremonial works anymore.

It means we don't have to get circumcised and adhere to a special diet and observe special days and sacrifice animals.

It means we are purified now by just having faith that Jesus' blood purifies us---of the sins WE REPENT OF DOING.

Just look for yourself.

Every time Paul says 'not of works', circumcision is not far.

Paul never rebukes anyone for thinking they had to repent of their sins and obey!

Paul only rebuked people when some Jews talked them into observing special days and getting circumcised and abstaining from certain meat.

 

[Sue D.]

The Witness of God is Greater.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

-The Holy Spirit cannot contradict Jesus, so "not of works" can only mean yes of works, or else it is not inspired.

Your last paragraph makes no sense. "Not of works" means no works. Period.

 

[God's Truth]

It's not an assumption, it is a deduction from the fact that the Same Father created both man and animals. And if the Same Father created them both, we deduce they are brothers because they have the same Father.

God put man above the animals, and we can decide when to kill for food and or safety. We can also decide when to have a loved pet put to sleep if it is suffering.

 

[God's Truth]

It is just one witness of men, but it doesn't matter, the Way to the Father is Jesus, not Paul. So, if you want to go to the Father you follow what Jesus says, not Paul. And Jesus says that if we keep His commandments we shall live. Anything that goes against the Word of God is false doctrine. Jesus is the Word of God, not Paul.

Paul didn't teach wrong when he said 'not of works'. People misunderstand Paul. Paul was explaining we no longer do the purification works of the law.

These are the purification works of the law that we are no longer to do:

Works of the law:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

 

[Daniel L.]

Your last paragraph makes no sense. "Not of works" means no works. Period.

It would make sense if you had believed in Jesus, and trusted His Words, because they are True. Remember Jesus is the Way to the Father, not Paul. If you want to go to the Father you do what Jesus says, not Paul. Because the Witness of God is Greater. So, "not of works" can only mean yes of works, or else it isn't inspired, because the Holy Spirit will not contradict Jesus, The Truth.

Works of the law:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

I would disagree, with the dietary laws, because shedding innocent blood will always be unlawful. And the Sabbath day, will always be Holy, because God sanctified it, and He will never "de-sanctified".

 

[God's Truth]

I would disagree, with the dietary laws, because shedding innocent blood will always be unlawful.

Then you are accusing all the prophets and Jesus himself of sinning.

And the Sabbath day, will always be Holy, because God sanctified it, and He will never "de-sanctified".

All special days were about Jesus.
Observing special days is now worthless when it comes to salvation.
Jesus is our Sabbath Rest.

 

[Daniel L.]

God put man above the animals, and we can decide when to kill for food

God also put man above the childreen, and you can't kill them based on that. Neither for food, because they aren't food.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

-And before you say it "changed" understand that He doesn't change, nor His Word, nor His Law.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

 

[Daniel L.]

Then you are accusing all the prophets and Jesus himself of sinning.

No, that is impossible, so the only one to blame here, is the devil and his lies.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[God's Truth]

God also put man above the childreen, and you can't kill them based on that. Neither for food, because they aren't food.

I am going by scriptures. You seem to be going by something else, almost comedy.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

-And before you say it "changed" understand that He doesn't change, nor His Word, nor His Law.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

So when Abel sacrificed an animal, and Cain gave fruits of the soil....?
Whose offering did God accept?

 

[God's Truth]

No, that is impossible, so the only one to blame here, is the devil and his lies.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You think the Bible is full of lies?

 

[Daniel L.]

You seem to be going by something else

That is your own understanding, because Scripture will show you the One that created man, created the animals also, so they are brothers because they have the same Father.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

-And if you reject Him as a Father, you still have the Breath of Life in both man and the animals, the same Breath of Life, the living Soul from the same Father.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

-So, no matter which one you kill, it is still a kill, a loss of Breath, life and Soul. That is why:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

-How can you take away that which Father has given? How can you kill that which Father has made alive?

So when Abel sacrificed an animal, and Cain gave fruits of the soil....?
Whose offering did God accept?

Abel didn't blood sacrificed an animal, because Abel is righteous, not wicked.

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

-God accepted the fruits of the soil. And rejected blood sacrifice.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-So, Cain, whose works were evil, is the one who slew his brother. Cain is the one who offered an evil sacrifice of fools, and this abomination was rejected because the LORD hates hands that shed innocent blood.

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

-And because he was of the wicked one, he lied about it later, and that is why you see the offerings swaped, because he is a liar and the father of it.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[Daniel L.]

You think the Bible is full of lies?

Not full.

Jeremiah 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

-But Jesus warned us about false prophets and false Christs.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

-Wolves in sheep's clothing, and tares among the wheat.

Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

 

[God's Truth]

Not full.

Jeremiah 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

-But Jesus warned us about false prophets and false Christs.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

-Wolves in sheep's clothing, and tares among the wheat.

Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

There is no way the Almighty God didn't leave us His written words in a book that we can trust.

 

[Daniel L.]

There is no way the Almighty God didn't leave us His written words in a book that we can trust.

He did, He preserved His Word in such a way that I can still prove to you killing animals is unlawful, just from Scripture. But because of Justice He also allowed for tares among the wheat, to see who really loves Him. Because you can quote a dozen verses where it says God said to kill animals, and shed innocent blood. So, it all comes down to what voice do you listen to, His voice or the voice of strangers.

Ezekiel 22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

-I can only present the verses, the decision has to be made in each persons hearth, whom will ye serve?