@Daniel L. -- I was just looking at the Genesis passage regarding Cain and Abel. Vs 4 Abel also brought of the first born of his flock -- the Lord respected his offering of his sheep. So it Was okay with the Lord. I don't know why You're having a problem with it.
Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?
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I know what it says, but the reason why I have a problem understanding it, is because of the other witnesses, that say God doesn't accept blood sacrifices.
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
-So, I believe all these witnesses that say the LORD hates blood sacrifices, they are an evil abomination unto Him. And because the LORD cannot change, He must have always been this way, He never desired sacrifice, He never delighted in the blood of lambs. Which means He woud have never accepted a blood sacrifice, ever. They are evil. So, if Abel was righteous, he would have never offered a blood sacrifice.
Anyways, that is if you believe the rest of the Bible. But if you want to believe this abomination, that God accepted a blood sacrifice, and that righteous Abel shed innocent blood, defilling his righteousness, you would have to ignore the verses above, and I'll give you some more, starting with Jesus Himself
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Hosea 8:13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.
@ Daniel L. You're free to accept or reject any scripture you choose to. Talk to God about your concerns in scripture. The seeming contradictions , etc. You've given your thoughts and various scripture passages. Some of which really don't apply.
Probably your biggest misconceptions is that the animal world are our brothers and sisters. Observing our environment would tell you otherwise. The dog I had years ago was not my brother or sister. It was a dog-- a pet I helped take care of. And the parakeet we had when I was growing up -- it was not a brother or sister -- it was a bird. It came from another bird. I've already brought this up.
Now if you want to celebrate the birthday of your pet go ahead. Give it ice cream and cake. Or when you discover your cat is expecting kittens or your dog is having puppies -- go ahead and invite the neighborhood cats and it dogs to your yard and have a baby shower. But don't be surprised if your neighbors think you're a little 'strange'. Or a Lot strange. But that's your business. And it's certainly not based on scripture.
Probably your biggest misconceptions is that the animal world are our brothers and sisters. Observing our environment would tell you otherwise. The dog I had years ago was not my brother or sister. It was a dog-- a pet I helped take care of. And the parakeet we had when I was growing up -- it was not a brother or sister -- it was a bird. It came from another bird. I've already brought this up.
Now if you want to celebrate the birthday of your pet go ahead. Give it ice cream and cake. Or when you discover your cat is expecting kittens or your dog is having puppies -- go ahead and invite the neighborhood cats and it dogs to your yard and have a baby shower. But don't be surprised if your neighbors think you're a little 'strange'. Or a Lot strange. But that's your business. And it's certainly not based on scripture.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
The only way the dog was not your brother is if you have a "different father" than him. A father that didn't create the animals, an idol. Because the Father of the animals is The One True God, and the same is also the Father of Adam. Which means Adam and the animals are brothers, because they have the same Father. You need to understand, those who have the same Father are brothers, because they have the same Father. If God is your Father, you are brothers with the animals, because the God that made you, made also the animals, your brothers. We have the same Father, I don't get it, how is this so hard to understand. The Same Father.
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Hebrews 9:11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation)
12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
PS: Christ Jesus himself was the ultimate blood sacrifice for sinners.
1Peter 1:18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
Because you are ignoring scripture when His word did change from saying everything was good and He said it was good until the fall.
You cannot prove that God would continue to say everything is good after the fall when Adam sinned and death came by sin. That is not good. There is no way God would call that good.
A person might not agree with everything in God's Word but we do need to accept it as God's Word.
In Genesis God did indeed create everything including mankind. But - left on our own, we became very evil in all our ways. He regretted ever having created us. Noah and his family were the only righteous people and they were saved by the ark which God gave them instructions for building. Everything and everyone was drowned in the world-wide flood.
So God regretted and destroyed.
In Genesis God did indeed create everything including mankind. But - left on our own, we became very evil in all our ways. He regretted ever having created us. Noah and his family were the only righteous people and they were saved by the ark which God gave them instructions for building. Everything and everyone was drowned in the world-wide flood.
So God regretted and destroyed.
Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Hosea 8:13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.
@Daniel L. --. Obviously you're satisfied with your application of God's Word even though several of us pointed out that your handling of God's Word is faulty. And some of what you'd find perfectly okay is ridiculous. So the rest of this conversation with out my comments.
Just because you say it is faulty, doesn't mean it is. If you think it is faulty, you must prove your point with Scripture. And adress the dozen verses I presented you with. Also, if you can't understand that the Father created every creature, both Adam and the animals, the fault is on you.
@ Daniel L -- the question isn't weather or not God created everything in this world. It's Your conclusion that That means that everything that has life / breathing moving thing are brothers and sisters to each other. Mankind and animal life being related as brothers and sisters. God teaches us many things through the nature that we observe. Human beings reproduce other living people in the form of children and the animal world does the same thing. I have one biological sister and one biological brother. But I have No brothers or sisters in the animal world. Neither do you.
Well, you deny that God is the Father of the animals. And that He is the Father of Adam. You know He created both, but you can't grant Him to be their Father.
-Why not?
But, anyways, what about:
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
-They have all one Breath, we know our Breath is the Breath of Life, the Living Soul, which we received from the Father. So, if we have all One Breath, that means the animals must have also the Breath of Life, the Living Soul, which they have received from the Father. That is why:
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]
-Because they have all one Breath, the Breath of Life, from the Father. So, no matter which one you kill, you will be killing the Breath of the Father, a Living Soul, the Breath of Life. It is a kill, in both cases, and you know: "Thou shalt not kill".
You speak for yourself, because you don't know the hearts of all men. But it goes to show, you have to speak out of your understanding, since you ran out of arguments, and cannot present Scripture. You just refuse for the sake of refusing.
Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.
Even if I didn't convince "most", that doesn't prove me wrong. It is just the Narrow Path. You can run for now, but not for long. All will be revealed.
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And Daniel that also includes yourself as well. you never did answer my question as I showed you both chapter and verse that Jesus himself ate meat! Fish ( Luke 24:41-43)
Jesus cannot sin.
Thou shalt not kill
So, Jesus cannot kill.
He is also full of the Knowledge of the Lord, so He won't hurt nor destroy:
Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
And He does the will of the Father, which is to eat herbs and fruits. Because His Law cannot change. So, He won't sacrifice flesh and eat it:
Hosea 8:13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.
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Isaiah 11:9 has nothing to do with eating, unless he ate on the mountain. wow how twisted are you? Next Hosea 8:13 Jesus was not sacrificing anything when he was eating fish either, and he was not around Egypt at that time either. You live under the Law,and you shall be judged as such since you do not believe Jesus was above the law he himself fulfilled. Do you know what also was on the cross when Jesus gave his life for us???( Eph 2:13-15 and Col 2:13-14) The law!
