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How should Jesus come back to win the world unto himself bringing wrath or kindness

PloughBoy

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Purpose of This Letter

1Beloved, this is now the secondletter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mindby way of a reminder, 2to remember the words spokenbeforehand by the holy prophetsand the commandment of the Lordand Savior spoken by your apostles.

The Coming Day of the Lord

3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God theheavens existed long ago and theearth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the worldat that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people.
8But do not let this one factescape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousandyears like one day. 9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but ispatient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.

A New Heaven and Earth

10But the day of the Lord will comelike a thief, in which the heavenswill pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed withintense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered.
11Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holyconduct and godliness, 12lookingfor and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of whichthe heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will meltwith intense heat! 13But accordingto His promise we are looking fornew heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

14Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found spotless and blamelessby Him, at peace, 15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brotherPaul, according to the wisdomgiven him, wrote to you, 16as alsoin all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which there are some things that are hard tounderstand, which the untaughtand unstable distort, as they doalso the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard sothat you are not carried away by the error of [e]unscrupulous peopleand lose your own firmcommitment, 18but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lordand Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
 
Bringing neither wrath nor kindness, but Truth. The wrath is experienced by the untrue, and kindness is experienced by the True. To be true, or not to be true, is the 'choice' we all have.
 
Bringing neither wrath nor kindness, but Truth. The wrath is experienced by the untrue, and kindness is experienced by the True. To be true, or not to be true, is the 'choice' we all have.
Jesus is “The TRUTH” Per-se “The Original Copied Manuscript”.

So for you; I will rephrase the Question:
“How should “The TRUTH” come back to win the world unto himself bringing wrath or kindness”
 
Jesus is “The TRUTH” Per-se “The Original Copied Manuscript”.

So for you; I will rephrase the Question:
“How should “The TRUTH” come back to win the world unto himself bringing wrath or kindness”
I have already answered that. It is not the Truth which is wrath or kindness per-se. God is Truth, period. God brings Truth, not wrath nor kindness. Truth cannot be compromised and therefore is unconditional. It is only humans, who are fear-based, which bring in the terms of wrath and kindness and therefore conditional. Those who fear Truth will experience Truth as being wrathful. Those that love Truth will experience Truth as kindness, but deeper still, Truth is void of any fear where we no longer receive kindness/love because we will be Love, Truth, and Faithful.

Even your question 'How shouldwin...unto himself...bring...' is conditionally biased. Truth is unconditional, and until Truth is seen that way, there is no way of 'knowing' the Truth as the Holy Spirit does.
Whenever we let go of self, to become unconditional, Truth presents itself, through the Holy Spirit within us, and moves from within to the outer of our consciousness. Hence, we receive Truth as so clear and obvious, without any reasoning for it, that it simply becomes a 'knowing' - a conviction that cannot be explained. Truth Is. Unconditionality is the only way. We cannot grasp (conditional) the Truth, but we can allow (unconditional) the Truth to grasp us.

In other words. If we are open to the Truth, our consciousness will be Truth, and not some concept about wrath nor kindness.
 
Jesus is “The TRUTH” Per-se “The Original Copied Manuscript”.

So for you; I will rephrase the Question:
“How should “The TRUTH” come back to win the world unto himself bringing wrath or kindness”
' (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted,
and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee:
behold, now is the accepted time;
behold, now is the day of salvation
.)'
(2Corinthians 6:2)

Hello @PloughBoy,

By the time the Lord comes again, the age of grace will have passed. When He comes, it will not be to win the world unto Himself, will it? But in judgment. He will rule with a rod of iron).

(1st Advent)
' The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me;
because the LORD hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek;
he hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives,
and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,'

(2nd Advent)
and the day of vengeance of our God;
to comfort all that mourn;
To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion,
to give unto them beauty for ashes,
the oil of joy for mourning,
the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness,
the planting of the LORD, that He might be glorified.
(Isaiah 61:1-3)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
' (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted,
and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee:
behold, now is the accepted time;
behold, now is the day of salvation
.)'
(2Corinthians 6:2)

Hello @PloughBoy,

By the time the Lord comes again, the age of grace will have passed. When He comes, it will not be to win the world unto Himself, will it? But in judgment. He will rule with a rod of iron).

(1st Advent)
' The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me;
because the LORD hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek;
he hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives,
and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,'

(2nd Advent)
and the day of vengeance of our God;
to comfort all that mourn;
To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion,
to give unto them beauty for ashes,
the oil of joy for mourning,
the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness,
the planting of the LORD, that He might be glorified.
(Isaiah 61:1-3)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Here is one for you, And what method will be use to “Save those coming out of”The “Great Tribulation” who have wash their Robes in The Blood of The Lamb.

NASB 1977
And I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

24“But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOONWILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,25AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26And then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMINGIN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27And then He will sendforth the angels, and will gathertogether His [q]elect from the fourwinds, from the end of the earth to the end of heaven.”

I am not “Leading the witness”. “your Highness”

If you permit to say that in a kind and respectable way.
 
I honestly don't think Jesus will attempt to win the world. I'm pretty sure he plans
to take it by force like Russia's Vladimir Putin is even now taking Ukraine.

Ps 2:1-12 . .Why do the nations rage? Why do the people waste their time with
futile plans? The kings of the earth prepare for battle; the rulers plot together
against The Lord and against his anointed one. "Let us break their chains," they
cry, "and free ourselves from this slavery."

But the one who rules in heaven laughs. The Lord scoffs at them. Then in anger He
rebukes them, terrifying them with his fierce fury. The Lord declares, "I have placed
my chosen king on the throne in Jerusalem, my holy city."

The king proclaims The Lord's decree: "The LORD said to me, 'You are my son.
Today I have become your Father. Only ask, and I will give you the nations as your
inheritance, the ends of the earth as your possession. You will break them with an
iron rod and smash them like clay pots."

Now then, you kings, act wisely! Be warned, you rulers of the earth! Serve The Lord
with reverent fear, and rejoice with trembling. Submit to God's royal son, or he will
become angry, and you will be destroyed in the midst of your pursuits-- for his
anger can flare up in an instant.
_
 
Here is one for you, And what method will be use to “Save those coming out of”The “Great Tribulation” who have wash their Robes in The Blood of The Lamb.

NASB 1977
And I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

24“But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOONWILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,25AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26And then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMINGIN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27And then He will sendforth the angels, and will gathertogether His [q]elect from the fourwinds, from the end of the earth to the end of heaven.”

I am not “Leading the witness”. “your Highness”

If you permit to say that in a kind and respectable way.
'And one of the elders answered, saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him, "Sir, thou knowest."
And he said to me,
"These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white 'in' (ie., 'through') the blood of the Lamb."
(Rev 7:13-14)

Hi @PloughBoy,

Revelation 7:13-14 (above) show that this the standing of 'works'; and not of 'grace' as in this present dispensation, though accomplished through the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 12:11). For we, in this present dispensation of grace, are 'washed, justified, and sanctified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God' (1 Corinthians 6:11). This 'great multitude' have washed their own robes, and made them white . The consequence of this is shown in verse 15:-

'Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve Him day and night in His temple:
(Revelation7: 15:

* They perform priestly service day and night, and fulfil the duties of, 'servants', for they, 'serve before the throne.' Other Old Testament passages referred to here are Leviticus 26:11 and Ezekiel 37:27.

' ... and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.'
(Rev 7:16-17)

* These are the earthly blessings of the great multitude. The same blessings are prophesied in Isaiah 49:8-10; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 65:19 and Jeremiah 31:16. So Israel's blessings are extended to Gentiles. The fulfilment is seen in Revelation 21:3-4; Revelation 22:1 and Ezekiel 47.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'And one of the elders answered, saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him, "Sir, thou knowest."
And he said to me,
"These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white 'in' (ie., 'through') the blood of the Lamb."
(Rev 7:13-14)

Hi @PloughBoy,

Revelation 7:13-14 (above) show that this the standing of 'works'; and not of 'grace' as in this present dispensation, though accomplished through the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 12:11). For we, in this present dispensation of grace, are 'washed, justified, and sanctified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God' (1 Corinthians 6:11). This 'great multitude' have washed their own robes, and made them white . The consequence of this is shown in verse 15:-

'Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve Him day and night in His temple:
(Revelation7: 15:

* They perform priestly service day and night, and fulfil the duties of, 'servants', for they, 'serve before the throne.' Other Old Testament passages referred to here are Leviticus 26:11 and Ezekiel 37:27.

' ... and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.'
(Rev 7:16-17)

* These are the earthly blessings of the great multitude. The same blessings are prophesied in Isaiah 49:8-10; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 65:19 and Jeremiah 31:16. So Israel's blessings are extended to Gentiles. The fulfilment is seen in Revelation 21:3-4; Revelation 22:1 and Ezekiel 47.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Nice work, LOL.
 
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