Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[Shaolin]

Don't just give insults, try to prove your beliefs with scripture.

Once again, trying to call the kettle black. You consistently claim that others are doing EXACTLY what YOU are doing...and yet you apparently don't see your own sin. Take the log out of your own eye first, hypocrite, so that you can accurately see if the person you are talking to actually has a splinter in their eye...

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[Shaolin]

So why have you failed at doing this??

I would say why he doesn't, but I think you already know!!!

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[Shaolin]

You only want to promote what the doctrines a denomination you believe, a denomination that tickled your ears. That is how God's Truth is chosen by many. If someone wants God's Truth and not some denomination's truth, then they are to go only by the scriptures.

What hypocrisy! You have been shown numerous passages that demonstrate your claim to be false, and yet you come back with your own imagination, not the Scriptures, in your failed effort to defend your false claim.

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[God's Truth]

Only in people's mind that don't know the difference between a testament and a covenant...which you have now demonstrated failure to understand.

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They are the same.

Jesus came and taught his last will and testament.
He taught how to be an heir, a child of God's, and what one would receive as an heir.
Then he died and the will went into effect.

 

[God's Truth]

Again, you demonstrate that you have very poor reading comprehension. I did not call Abel a prophet or a martyr...yet he was murdered because he was following God's rules and Cain wasn't. So, while I did not call him a martyr, yet he was according to the definition of the word. You are sorely lost, sir. And, they do exist...I said I have never met one PERSONALLY, but I have listened to a couple on videos in the past.

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Abel is called righteous, but he is not called a prophet or a martyr.

 

[God's Truth]

Sorry...but I don't listen to things people try to tell me who are listening to doctrines of demons and seducing spirits. You might as well hang it up...

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Let's just look at the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

You make bold claims that you cannot, and do not even try, to uphold or defend with Scripture. There is only one reason for that...you are not of God and teach spiritual darkness even when you have been deceived to believe that you are. So...according to you...you are the only one who has the correct understanding of Scripture - even when it has been demonstrated with Scripture that you don't know what you are talking about. I am surprised that they have allowed you to continue here unabated...

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A person can be saved, but be led into false doctrines. There are many denominations and they teach falseness because they are not going by the Bible they are going by the teachings of men.

 

[God's Truth]

Once again, trying to call the kettle black. You consistently claim that others are doing EXACTLY what YOU are doing...and yet you apparently don't see your own sin. Take the log out of your own eye first, hypocrite, so that you can accurately see if the person you are talking to actually has a splinter in their eye...

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Give a scripture you would like to talk about.

 

[God's Truth]

What hypocrisy! You have been shown numerous passages that demonstrate your claim to be false, and yet you come back with your own imagination, not the Scriptures, in your failed effort to defend your false claim.

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One must check with the scriptures to see if what they are taught is true according to the scriptures.

Tongues were for 1. a sign, 2. to the Jews, 3. during the laying of the foundation, 4. it was a prophecy fulfilled, 5. it was a testimony from God that what the apostles spoke was from Him, along with all the other miracles the apostles could do, 6. the tongue speaker spoke supernaturally so that those with foreign languages heard the message in their language supernaturally, 7. the tongue speaker spoke mysteries, teachings about the gospel.

The sign was given to the Jews during the laying of the foundation the prophecy was fulfilled and God already testified to it, no one is using tongues to give those the message of God in other foreign languages, the mystery has been given, we have the scriptures in the Bible and it is finished.

 

[vhusley]

One must check with the scriptures to see if what they are taught is true according to the scriptures.

Tongues were for 1. a sign, 2. to the Jews, 3. during the laying of the foundation, 4. it was a prophecy fulfilled, 5. it was a testimony from God that what the apostles spoke was from Him, along with all the other miracles the apostles could do, 6. the tongue speaker spoke supernaturally so that those with foreign languages heard the message in their language supernaturally, 7. the tongue speaker spoke mysteries, teachings about the gospel.

The sign was given to the Jews during the laying of the foundation the prophecy was fulfilled and God already testified to it, no one is using tongues to give those the message of God in other foreign languages, the mystery has been given, we have the scriptures in the Bible and it is finished.

You only speak partial truth.
This sign (tongues) carried over to the Gentiles. Paul was lecturing the Corinthian church, which would have been almost entirely comprised of Gentiles…..and they had tongues….and all of the other gifts as well. Paul instructed them to desire the greater gifts.

 

[God's Truth]

@vhulsey said: "You only speak partial truth.
This sign (tongues) carried over to the Gentiles. Paul was lecturing the Corinthian church, which would have been almost entirely comprised of Gentiles…..and they had tongues….and all of the other gifts as well. Paul instructed them to desire the greater gifts."


The whole truth is being spoken, no scripture is put aside. The Gentiles received the gift of tongues too, and they spoke in FOREIGN languages that the Jews from every nation could understand. The Gentiles speaking in tongues let the Jews know that the Gentiles were also included in salvation.

 

[vhusley]

The whole truth is being spoken, no scripture is put aside. The Gentiles received the gift of tongues too, and they spoke in FOREIGN languages that the Jews from every nation could understand. The Gentiles speaking in tongues let the Jews know that the Gentiles were also included in salvation.

You’re reading more into scripture than is actually there and missing much substance that is there.
There is more than just the GIFT of tongues and tongues as a sign to unbelievers.
However, it takes spiritual maturity to understand this.

 

[vhusley]

@God's Truth and yes, you are putting aside scripture.
You may fool people who don’t know God‘s word or you may even convince yourself that you are not, but you certainly are.
1 Corinthians 14:15
1 Corinthians 14:39

 

[God's Truth]

You’re reading more into scripture than is actually there and missing much substance that is there.
There is more than just the GIFT of tongues and tongues as a sign to unbelievers.
However, it takes spiritual maturity to understand this.

Let's discuss it.

 

[vhusley]

Let's discuss it.

See my corresponding post

 

[God's Truth]

@God's Truth and yes, you are putting aside scripture.
You may fool people who don’t know God‘s word or you may even convince yourself that you are not, but you certainly are.
1 Corinthians 14:15
1 Corinthians 14:39

It is important to realize that after the believers in the bible had the gift of speaking in tongues for the sign to the Jews…they kept the gift even when the Jews of other languages were not around. Therefore, the tongue speakers spoke only to God when they spoke in tongues they themselves did not understand and when no Jews from other languages were there, because, God, of course, can understand all the earthly languages the tongue speakers were speaking. How is that beneficial to anyone, even to the speaker when they can’t understand what they are saying?

Again, if there were no other people of other languages around to understand the tongue speaker, and if the tongue speaker themselves cannot interpret what they say and there was no other interpreter, then they are to be quiet and only speak to God, and this speaking edified (nurtured) only themselves. Only the real tongues were edifying. Tongue speaking edifies (nurtures) only the tongue speaker when no one understands because the tongue speaker feels blessed that God gave them an amazing gift. How greatly edifying it is for oneself just to have such a gift; that is the only way it edifies when you don’t understand what you are saying.

It is a false edification when one is performing babbling.

 

[Shaolin]

They are the same.

Jesus came and taught his last will and testament.
He taught how to be an heir, a child of God's, and what one would receive as an heir.
Then he died and the will went into effect.

No, uneducated thing...they are not the same thing. A testament is what a testimony is, and it comes from the Latin; a covenant is something completely different, but your uneducated self can't see that because you lack knowledge. A covenant is a legal accord between at least two parties that brings those parties not only into legal standing (contract) but also legal relationship (adoption, marriage) They are not the same thing.

Furthermore, a covenant or testament is NOT a "will." Again you don't know what you are talking about. I am beginning to suspect that you are really a teenager masquerading as an adult, because your knowledge base is so very low. A will goes into affect upon the death of the individual to any present heirs at the moment of death...that is NOT what a covenant is (and, BTW, the New Covenant was inaugurated at Christ's baptism, and was ratified at the last supper, NOT when Jesus died).

Please, educate yourself.

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[Shaolin]

Abel is called righteous, but he is not called a prophet or a martyr.

You don't listen very well, do you.

He doesn't have to be called a martyr in Scripture in order for him to have been martyred. Again, please, THINK before you speak.

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[Shaolin]

Let's just look at the scriptures.

I tried to show you Scripture, but you refuse to listen to what Scripture says.

You try to appear to be righteous, but you are only fooling yourself.

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[Shaolin]

A person can be saved, but be led into false doctrines. There are many denominations and they teach falseness because they are not going by the Bible they are going by the teachings of men.

Again, GT...you show your hypocrisy and you can't even see it because you have a log in your own eye.

Practically everything you have said on this thread is of your own warped interpretation, and NOT what Scripture teaches when it is taken as a whole like it is supposed to be taken.

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