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Shaolin

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If God created mankind as physically mortal (which according to Scripture He did) because that was a huge part of His plan of the ages, why did He put the Tree of Life in the garden of Eden where Adam might have ate from it and become immortal (physically)?

It is rare (after years of answering questions about the Bible and Christianity) that someone asks me something that I cannot readily answer...so while I am doing research in order to answer this person, I thought I would see if anyone here has had any insight on this point that might help me answer it.

Blessings!
 
I'd want to look into the question's assumptions first

  • Where in the Bible do you draw the idea that mortality was part of God's original purpose for humankind?
  • How do you get to the idea that the tree of life was the source of immortality?
 
If God created mankind as physically mortal (which according to Scripture He did) because that was a huge part of His plan of the ages, why did He put the Tree of Life in the garden of Eden where Adam might have ate from it and become immortal (physically)?

It is rare (after years of answering questions about the Bible and Christianity) that someone asks me something that I cannot readily answer...so while I am doing research in order to answer this person, I thought I would see if anyone here has had any insight on this point that might help me answer it.

Blessings!
Hi, it's a straight forward answer depending on one's presuppositions. I agree that man was created mortal. He will always be mortal. The Bible says that the Father alone has immortality. It's not that Adam would eat of the Tree of Life and transform into a immortal being, but rather, that by eating of the Tree he would continue to have life. Ultimately all lifencomes from God. Paul said God gives life to all things. That's present tense. In other words everything that is alive is alive because God is giving it life. Believers will have eternal life, not because they become immortal, but rather because God will give them life continously forever. From what we see in Scripture the mechanism by which God will give this life is the Tree of Life.
 
If God created mankind as physically mortal (which according to Scripture He did) because that was a huge part of His plan of the ages, why did He put the Tree of Life in the garden of Eden where Adam might have ate from it and become immortal (physically)?

It is rare (after years of answering questions about the Bible and Christianity) that someone asks me something that I cannot readily answer...so while I am doing research in order to answer this person, I thought I would see if anyone here has had any insight on this point that might help me answer it.

Blessings!

It's a great question. However man was created with life as he would not die as long as he did not partake of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

That said man would not necessarily need to eat of the tree of life as he believed he could not die unless being disobedient.

Did Adam and Eve understand what death was?

It's a funny thing that the serpent did not temp them to eat of the tree of life instead, but then if that had happened there would not have been need for Jesus, for no curse
would have been placed on mans mind.

One might also wonder why was the serpent in the garden to tempt in the first place?? And as Butch5 points out, it is God that gives life to all things, the serpent was there
because God wanted it to be as that was His plan from the beginning. Eph 3:9
 
I'd want to look into the question's assumptions first

  • Where in the Bible do you draw the idea that mortality was part of God's original purpose for humankind?
  • How do you get to the idea that the tree of life was the source of immortality?

Genesis 3:22
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--"

Obviously Adam was not created to be immortal in body, otherwise God would not have had to say "and live forever" because if he had been created immortal in body, then it was already too late.

As to the second question...it is answered in my answer above. God clearly states that IF Adam ate from the tree of life, then he would "live forever."

Thanks for the participation!

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Hi, it's a straight forward answer depending on one's presuppositions. I agree that man was created mortal. He will always be mortal. The Bible says that the Father alone has immortality. It's not that Adam would eat of the Tree of Life and transform into a immortal being, but rather, that by eating of the Tree he would continue to have life. Ultimately all lifencomes from God. Paul said God gives life to all things. That's present tense. In other words everything that is alive is alive because God is giving it life. Believers will have eternal life, not because they become immortal, but rather because God will give them life continously forever. From what we see in Scripture the mechanism by which God will give this life is the Tree of Life.

Actually, the Tree of Life is not how God will give us eternal life, Jesus is the only way to have eternal life. We are either in personal relationship with the Father "in Christ" and have eternal life, or we do not. Eternal life in the NT Scriptures is simply the term Jesus used when addressing the "kind" of life a person will have after this physical life. We are all immortal spirits temporarily dwelling within physical bodies, as Scripture teaches.

However, the question in the OP, is...since God created us mortal, which assumes that He did not want us to live in this physical world as immortals, why did He put the Tree of Life in the Garden?

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It's a great question. However man was created with life as he would not die as long as he did not partake of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

That said man would not necessarily need to eat of the tree of life as he believed he could not die unless being disobedient.

Did Adam and Eve understand what death was?

It's a funny thing that the serpent did not temp them to eat of the tree of life instead, but then if that had happened there would not have been need for Jesus, for no curse
would have been placed on mans mind.

One might also wonder why was the serpent in the garden to tempt in the first place?? And as Butch5 points out, it is God that gives life to all things, the serpent was there
because God wanted it to be as that was His plan from the beginning. Eph 3:9

Actually, according to Gen. 3:22 and others, God did not create mankind to be immortal. When God said that Adam would die the moment he ate from the bad tree, that was spiritual death because sin separates us from God. He did not die physically when he bit the fruit...again, because God spoke of spiritual death, not physical.

The serpent was just a serpent, the difference was that satan fell before the Creation and possessed the serpent, which is how it was able to speak. And I agree, the tree of knowledge was put there because it was part of God's plan that man would fall...but only as a prelude to being able to reach much greater heights than he ever could if he remained innocent of mind.

Thanks for participating!

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Actually, the Tree of Life is not how God will give us eternal life, Jesus is the only way to have eternal life. We are either in personal relationship with the Father "in Christ" and have eternal life, or we do not. Eternal life in the NT Scriptures is simply the term Jesus used when addressing the "kind" of life a person will have after this physical life. We are all immortal spirits temporarily dwelling within physical bodies, as Scripture teaches.

However, the question in the OP, is...since God created us mortal, which assumes that He did not want us to live in this physical world as immortals, why did He put the Tree of Life in the Garden?

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Do you remember in the first post I mentioned presuppositions? That's why you're having trouble answering the question. It's the presupposition that you're an immortal spirit. You're not. You are a flesh being. The Apostle Paul tells us that the Father alone has immortality.

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1 Tim. 6:13-16 KJV)

You are flesh.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen. 3:17-19 KJV)

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (Gen. 6:3 KJV)

When we start with the proper presuppositions our conclusions are different. Man is flesh. He is given life by God on an ongoing basis. Eternal life is not a quality of life. It is life that will never end.

What I gave you in my first post is the answer to your question. The problem is the your presuppositions are leading you to an incorrect conclusion.
 
Do you remember in the first post I mentioned presuppositions? That's why you're having trouble answering the question. It's the presupposition that you're an immortal spirit. You're not. You are a flesh being. The Apostle Paul tells us that the Father alone has immortality.

In context, when Paul says that God alone has immortality, he was speaking about men, not their spirits. Scripture is replete with the fact that human beings are immortal as to our spirits...you will either live forever in heaven, or in the lake of Fire, just as Scripture clearly teaches. That is immortality. My presupposition on this point is straight from Scritpure.


13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1 Tim. 6:13-16 KJV)

You are flesh.

Correct to a point...you are a spirit temporarily dwelling within a mortal body, just as Scripture teaches...for example...

1 Corinthians 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Human beings were created as tripartite beings according to a vast amount of Scripture: physical mortal body, soul (seat of the emotions and intellect), and spirit. This is quite solid in Scripture, which (so far that i know of) only JW's reject. That is how solid of a doctrine it is presented in Scripture...only heretical groups deny it.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen. 3:17-19 KJV)

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (Gen. 6:3 KJV)

When we start with the proper presuppositions our conclusions are different.

Yes...I see...I also make the solid observation that you do not employ a complete Biblical hermeneutic in your interpretations...and that is why your conclusion is false. We are flesh, we are also spirit. One text does not destroy another. All Scripture must be harmonized with all other Scripture, and when you fail to do that, you end up with false conclusions. Your presupposition is in error, not because I say so, but because Scripture demonstrates it as such.

Man is flesh.

As already demonstrated with Scripture, man is not JUST flesh. That is where your supposition goes awry.

He is given life by God on an ongoing basis.

Your Scripture that you get that from is...what? No where is physical life ever stated as continuously given by God, only eternal life is conditional from God. Physical life is conditional upon eating, drinking, sleeping, and breathing...anything that causes you to cease eating, drinking, sleeping, and breathing will kill you - and that has nothing to do with God.

Eternal life is not a quality of life. It is life that will never end.

The phrase, "eternal life" is utilized in the NT Scriptures in two ways only (both of them directly from covenant): either meaning that one is currently in personal covenant relationship with God, or that one has made it to the consummation of eternal life in heaven with God. The term "eternal life" does not mean in either capacity that "life" will never end. Those who will be cast into the Lake of Fire are called "dead" as well as those who are not walking with God...Paul says they are dead while they live. Spiritual discernment must be utilized in order to determine the correct Spirit-intended meaning of a word or phrase.

What I gave you in my first post is the answer to your question.

Actually, there was no answer in your first post. The question was, why did God place the tree of life in the garden. You did say, " that by eating of the Tree he would continue to have life." But that is not what the evidence of Scripture leads to...

Genesis 3:22
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--"

According to the passage, Adam was not immortal but if he had partaken of the tree of life even one time, he would...according to God's own words..."live forever." A continual eating from the tree was not necessary; all it would have taken, according to the text, is one bite.

The problem is the your presuppositions are leading you to an incorrect conclusion.

I have demonstrated with Scripture, that it is not my presupposition (which amounts to an unwarranted assumption) that is leading to an incorrect conclusion...

Blessings!

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In context, when Paul says that God alone has immortality, he was speaking about men, not their spirits. Scripture is replete with the fact that human beings are immortal as to our spirits...you will either live forever in heaven, or in the lake of Fire, just as Scripture clearly teaches. That is immortality. My presupposition on this point is straight from Scritpure.




Correct to a point...you are a spirit temporarily dwelling within a mortal body, just as Scripture teaches...for example...

1 Corinthians 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Human beings were created as tripartite beings according to a vast amount of Scripture: physical mortal body, soul (seat of the emotions and intellect), and spirit. This is quite solid in Scripture, which (so far that i know of) only JW's reject. That is how solid of a doctrine it is presented in Scripture...only heretical groups deny it.



Yes...I see...I also make the solid observation that you do not employ a complete Biblical hermeneutic in your interpretations...and that is why your conclusion is false. We are flesh, we are also spirit. One text does not destroy another. All Scripture must be harmonized with all other Scripture, and when you fail to do that, you end up with false conclusions. Your presupposition is in error, not because I say so, but because Scripture demonstrates it as such.



As already demonstrated with Scripture, man is not JUST flesh. That is where your supposition goes awry.



Your Scripture that you get that from is...what? No where is physical life ever stated as continuously given by God, only eternal life is conditional from God. Physical life is conditional upon eating, drinking, sleeping, and breathing...anything that causes you to cease eating, drinking, sleeping, and breathing will kill you - and that has nothing to do with God.



The phrase, "eternal life" is utilized in the NT Scriptures in two ways only (both of them directly from covenant): either meaning that one is currently in personal covenant relationship with God, or that one has made it to the consummation of eternal life in heaven with God. The term "eternal life" does not mean in either capacity that "life" will never end. Those who will be cast into the Lake of Fire are called "dead" as well as those who are not walking with God...Paul says they are dead while they live. Spiritual discernment must be utilized in order to determine the correct Spirit-intended meaning of a word or phrase.



Actually, there was no answer in your first post. The question was, why did God place the tree of life in the garden. You did say, " that by eating of the Tree he would continue to have life." But that is not what the evidence of Scripture leads to...

Genesis 3:22
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--"

According to the passage, Adam was not immortal but if he had partaken of the tree of life even one time, he would...according to God's own words..."live forever." A continual eating from the tree was not necessary; all it would have taken, according to the text, is one bite.



I have demonstrated with Scripture, that it is not my presupposition (which amounts to an unwarranted assumption) that is leading to an incorrect conclusion...

Blessings!

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Show one passage that says man is a spirit. Just one. I'll be waitimg.
 
If God created mankind as physically mortal (which according to Scripture He did) because that was a huge part of His plan of the ages, why did He put the Tree of Life in the garden of Eden where Adam might have ate from it and become immortal (physically)?

It is rare (after years of answering questions about the Bible and Christianity) that someone asks me something that I cannot readily answer...so while I am doing research in order to answer this person, I thought I would see if anyone here has had any insight on this point that might help me answer it.

Blessings!
If they become immortal, would they not cease to be able to reproduce?

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Since they were under the commandment to multiply, probably why they had never considered eating from the tree of life.
 
Show one passage that says man is a spirit. Just one. I'll be waitimg.

I already did...did you ignore it, or simply reject it because you didn't like being shown to be wrong?

Here is another one:

Luke 8:54-55
But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise." And her spirit returned, and she got up at once. And he directed that something should be given her to eat.

That's two...want more?

Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

That's three...how many do you need in order to amend your theology to line up with Scripture? In reality, you only need one.

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If they become immortal, would they not cease to be able to reproduce?

Being immortal or mortal has no bearing upon the ability to reproduce, it has nothing to do with sex.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

This has nothing to do with being immortal either, it has to do with the fact that our resurrected bodies will not have sexes, just as angels are not male or female...but I see what you are saying.

Blessings!

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I already did...did you ignore it, or simply reject it because you didn't like being shown to be wrong?

Here is another one:

Luke 8:54-55
But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise." And her spirit returned, and she got up at once. And he directed that something should be given her to eat.

That's two...want more?

Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

That's three...how many do you need in order to amend your theology to line up with Scripture? In reality, you only need one.

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None of your references say that man is a spirit - merely that they have a spirit within them.
 

This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven. Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth; and there was no man to cultivate the ground. But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground. Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
 
If God created mankind as physically mortal (which according to Scripture He did) because that was a huge part of His plan of the ages, why did He put the Tree of Life in the garden of Eden where Adam might have ate from it and become immortal (physically)?

It is rare (after years of answering questions about the Bible and Christianity) that someone asks me something that I cannot readily answer...so while I am doing research in order to answer this person, I thought I would see if anyone here has had any insight on this point that might help me answer it.

Blessings!
Hello @Shaolin,

The tree of life is also in Revelation 2:7; Revelation 22:2; 22:14: and it's leaves were for the healing of the nations. In Proverbs 15:4, Proverbs 13:12; Proverbs 11:30 and Proverbs 3:18, reference to the tree of life is figurative.

Genesis 3:,22-24, a silence of horror descended at the thought that Adam and Eve, in their now sinful conditional, should eat of the tree of life and live for ever. Genesis 2:9, being it's first occurrence.

The fact that the leaves are used for the healing of the nations in Revelation 22, causes me to wonder if it was the eating of the leaves continuously which would keep Adam and Eve alive and well and prevent the degenerative process of aging, rather than that the eating of it, on one occasion, would cause them to live for ever.

However, as we are not told, it is not for us to conjecture. So I will let the word of God stand as it is, and praise God for what He has, by His grace made known, and not concern myself with those things He has chosen to keep within His own council.

Thank you
in Christ Jesus
Chris
 
If man was created, mortal which means he would eventually die then why put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden if he was going to die anyway?
 
I already did...did you ignore it, or simply reject it because you didn't like being shown to be wrong?

Here is another one:

Luke 8:54-55
But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise." And her spirit returned, and she got up at once. And he directed that something should be given her to eat.

That's two...want more?

Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

That's three...how many do you need in order to amend your theology to line up with Scripture? In reality, you only need one.

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"Her spirit returned". Her denotes ownership or possession, not person. If I said, her house, would that mean she is a house? If I say, her truck, does that mean she is a truck? The answer is no. So, saying her spirit doesn't mean she is a spirit. It simply means it came back to "Her". Obviously if it returned to her, it is not her. Are you aware that the Greek and Hebrew words that are translated "spirit" simply mean wind or breath? The DO NOT carry the idea of a disembodied consciousness like the English word spirit does. When they are translated as spirit, it is a figure of speech. So, what if we translated the passage literally?

But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise." And her breath returned, and she got up at once. And he directed that something should be given her to eat.

See, if translate it with breath it makes perfect sense. She was dead and her breath returned and she was alive.

Nothing here says that man is a spirit. Paul says, "our spirit" our denotes possession or ownership, not person. If I say, "our truck" does that mean I am a truck? If I say, "our house" does that mean I am a house? The answer to both is no. It simply means that we have ownership or possession of a truck or house. So, that passage doesn't prove your point.

Nothing here proves your point that man is a spirit. It simply shows that man has a spirit or literally breath. We already know that because God put His breath or spirit in man at creation.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen. 2:7 KJV)

There is the spirit in man, it is the breath of life. notice though that it isn't man, man is dust as the passage says. The breath or spirit is something of God Himself.
 
If man was created, mortal which means he would eventually die then why put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden that would cause him to die?
You'll have to ask God for that answer.
 
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