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You can never “Fall Away” where you have not Been. Only if you Been there can you Fall Away from it

PloughBoy

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How far have we fallen and how long and deep at the Rapid pace, that cannot be discern by a “ Rebellious” child of “The Living GOD”who has become so wicked it is un-noticeable to him.:pensive: Not realizing the patience of GOD for that “Rebellious Child” to Repent from there wicked and their support of those of who are wicked, in the “High Places” whom they defend as righteous.
 
How far have we Fallen

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against “ALL” Ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress :eyes:the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has beenmade, so that they are withoutexcuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not [o]honorHim as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their reasonings, and their senselesshearts were darkened. 22Claimingto be wise, they became fools,23and they exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an imagein the form of corruptible mankind, of birds, four-footed animals, and crawling creatures.

PS. “You knew The TRUTH! And many have so long remain “QUIET” and “SiLENT” and Hidden in “THE DARK” but Proclaiming They Are “The Children of LIGHT”

But in Actuality A lot of Christian’s in The Western World are “The Children of Emily Post & “Charm School”. And “The Goddess of Feminality.”
And many are on a continuous free fall in this very direction and “Mutating”.
 
'And we know that the Son of God is come,
and hath given us an understanding,
that we may know Him that is true,
and we are in Him that is true,
even in His Son Jesus Christ.
This is the true God, and eternal life.
Little children, keep ( ie., guard ) yourselves from idols.
Amen.'
(1 John 5:20-21)

Hello @PloughBoy,

Reading 1 John yesterday morning the words, 'keep yourselves from idols' at the end of verse 21 (above) caught my eye; and in my Bible's marginal notes I read concerning these words:- 'an idol may not be a material one, but may consist in whatever a man looks to for help, apart from the Living God, see Ephesians 5:5' .

* Reading through your OP it came to my mind again, for though I cannot begin to put into words what I think concerning these things, I do agree with the thoughts you have expressed.

* My Bible marginal notes referred me to Ephesians 5:5, but I read the whole chapter, and quote just a few:-

'Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
and hath given Himself for us
an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savour.
.. But fornication,
.... and all uncleanness,
...... or covetousness,
........ let it not be once named among you,
.......... as becometh saints;
............ Neither filthiness,
.............. nor foolish talking,
................ nor jesting,
.................. which are not convenient:
.................... but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know,
.. that no whoremonger,
.... nor unclean person,
...... nor covetous (G4123) man, who is an idolater,
........ hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
.......... Let no man deceive you with vain words:
for because of these things cometh the wrath of God
.. upon the children of disobedience.
.... Be not ye therefore partakers with them.'
(Eph 5:1-7)

* Covetous:- G4123 ( pleonektēs )
.. Meaning:- holding (desiring) more, that is, eager for gain ( avaricious, hence a defrauder ):
.. Translated:- covetous.

* This is idolatry. The legal definition of a defrauder:-

To make a Misrepresentation of an existing material fact, knowing it to be false or making it recklessly without regard to whether it is true or false, intending for someone to rely on the misrepresentation and under circumstances in which such person does rely on it to his or her damage. To practice Fraud; to cheat or trick. To deprive a person of property or any interest, estate, or right by fraud, deceit, or artifice.
Intent to defraud means an intention to deceive another person, and to induce such other person, in reliance upon such deception, to assume, create, transfer, alter, or terminate a right, obligation, or power with reference to property.​
* I find this interesting in the light of your OP, @PloughBoy, for is not this what is done to the Truth? Is it not so often misrepresented?

* Friendship with the world is enmity with God. How we need to expose ourselves to the word of God, and let it wash our hearts and minds of the detritus that builds up within, blinding and warping our perception, and blunting our judgement of what is right in God's eyes and what is wrong.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Sometimes we as HIS People His Children. Have read things in The Bible pertaining to us! and [not to them],,seems small and “trival”. We plunk it off. Not realizing that the “dot & Iota” is imperative too! for it is also “the little leaven”.

Help me Jesus! “Love not The World” neither the things in it”!
“do not even sit down and eat with these people” who walk in such away even if they are called, a brother or a sister” and they don’t walk right, or talk right

Oh’ but they belong to [our church.]
“Obedience is better than Sacrifice”

It is time to “recess” our thinking. Because it is getting to late in the day.
I am going to try my best to not miss that Boat! “I am going to run like I am running late!” Even if I have to hop like “Walter Brennan”!

New American Standard Bible
Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

He ain’t going pull that “EVE” Maneuver on me!
:eyes:
i hope when you board the ship, I hope I will already be there, sitting down and looking out the window.:eyes:
 
'Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
and let us run with patience the race (ie., fight or conflict) that is set before us,
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame,
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him: (Proverbs 3:11-12)
For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth. '
(Hebrews 12:1-6)

:)
 
'And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things.
Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
I myself should be a castaway.' (ie., disapproved or rejected for the prize)
(1 Corinthians 9:25)

:)
 
' But refuse profane and old wives' fables,
and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
For bodily exercise profiteth little:
but godliness is profitable unto all things,
having promise of the life that now is,
and of that which is to come.'
(1 Timothy 4:7-8)

:)
 
How far have we fallen and how long and deep at the Rapid pace, that cannot be discern by a “ Rebellious” child of “The Living GOD”who has become so wicked it is un-noticeable to him.:pensive: Not realizing the patience of GOD for that “Rebellious Child” to Repent from there wicked and their support of those of who are wicked, in the “High Places” whom they defend as righteous.
Hello @PloughBoy,

Yes, I know I have been posting rather a lot, but forgive me this one last entry. :)

Your subject introduces the thought of 'falling away', and what it is that the Scriptures declare can be fallen from. For the heading says that if you have never experienced that, how can you fall from it.

There is only one place, as far as I can see, that you can be referring to, and that is 2:Thessalonians 2:3:-
'Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word,
nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.'
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)

* The,'falling away,' here, is apostacy, ie., a defection from TRUTH yes? I now see what you saying. If TRUTH has never been entered into by faith how can it be fallen from. Yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
This one sometimes comes to me in my sufferings but then I realize as Rocky did in his rematch with Clubber Lang "you ain't so BAD, you ain't so BAD" so I tell myself those words...lol.

Because I soon realize that our awesome Lord Jesus did just that, hallelujah and praise! For no servant is greater than his Master.

Just the first 25 seconds of this vid will set the stage.

 
Ecclesiastes 9:11 (KJV)
King James Bible
I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Matthew 24: 13 (NASB)
NASB 1977
“But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved.”
“Future Indicative”!
 
This one sometimes comes to me in my sufferings but then I realize as Rocky did in his rematch with Clubber Lang "you ain't so BAD, you ain't so BAD" so I tell myself those words...lol.

Because I soon realize that our awesome Lord Jesus did just that, hallelujah and praise! For no servant is greater than his Master.

Just the first 25 seconds of this vid will set the stage.

Hello @Mister,

If you are suffering for the name of Christ then as Peter says, 'Happy are ye'.

'But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye:
and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:
and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you
a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Having a good conscience;
that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation (ie., manner of life) in Christ.
For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.'
(1 Peter 3:14)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
OP: You can never “Fall Away” where you have not Been. Only if you Been there can you Fall Away from it
We were born innocent (in-no-sense) of the world we were about to believe in.
 
Hello @Mister,

If you are suffering for the name of Christ then as Peter says, 'Happy are ye'.
The life I have IS the life I have been given, and that happiness is peeking thru as I age in the Lord. I know it's not an allusion or a figment of my imagination but the Adversary would love for me to believe that. But I have the words and assurance of the God of the living by way of our Lord Jesus Christ, with the Helper by my side.

Blessings
 
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