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The Triune God

Waggles said:
I find it extremely problematic the doctrine that Jesus became God after his ascension to the Heavens (and sat down on the right hand of power).
The doctrine of Jesus a man becomes God or a god is the blasphemy of the Mormons and others.
It is unscriptural for both the OT and the NT teach of GOD as our Redeemer.
And the apostles most certainly preach that Jesus is God.
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John 1:1
Jesus is the word!
 
Waggles said:
I find it extremely problematic the doctrine that Jesus became God after his ascension to the Heavens (and sat down on the right hand of power).
The doctrine of Jesus a man becomes God or a god is the blasphemy of the Mormons and others.
It is unscriptural for both the OT and the NT teach of GOD as our Redeemer.
And the apostles most certainly preach that Jesus is God.
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I would challenge that last statement to prove that. Jesus is most always mentioned second in the salutation of the letters and as our Lord, not God.


Yet a man, Jesus, BECAME a life giving Spirit. and the author of eternal salvation.

1 Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was MADE a living soul, the last Adam was MADE a quickening spirit. Why are there only 2 Adams spoken of???
Heb 5:9 And being MADE perfect, He BECAME the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

Jesus BECAME the author after He had finished the process laid out by His Father to come into life eternal and was then pronounced to be a god by the Father.
He was perfected and MADE a quickening spirit by that same process as He now is the one who baptizes with the Holy Ghost.
His Father baptized Him at Jordan.
He finished the work given Him by the Father and thus was perfected by the things He suffered.
He then was raised from the dead and glorified thus no more death, and all power in heaven and earth GIVEN to Him, along with the ability to baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire.
He thus assumed the position that prior to His glorification only God had, the giving of life, but after He was perfected God passed that authority to Him.

But unto the Son He saith Thy throne O God is forever................. But prior to this happening God said many many times there was no God besides Himself Deu 32:39 Isaiah 44:8
Isaiah 45:5 Isaiah 45:21


Death has no dominion over Him anymore. He (Jesus) tasted death for every man BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
 
Born Again 2004 said:
John 1:1
Jesus is the word!
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Actually He is the Word made flesh. Meaning He is/was the plan, blueprint, explanation, divine reason, a concept. The pattern Son. If any man will come after me..............
He was a man and we see where He is now, and His challenge to any other man is that if you want to sit in my throne as I sit in my Fathers throne, take up your cross
daily and follow me.
Jesus is/was the absolute reason for the creation of everything and that is to bring many sons unto glory. He being the First Son to complete the Word, plan, blueprint, divine reason etc..

Logos in Greek has several meanings all of which explain the reason why all was done as it was done.
The Word of God is the entire Bible and Jesus was the explanation of what God is doing. Thus He is the truth of God and the Way in which man should follow Him into the kingdom.

Acts 13:41 "Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days a work in which ye will in no wise believe, though a man declare it to you."
 
Born Again 2004 said:
@Samson2020 So your Mormon state it!
Are you not proud of who are?
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I sir am not a Mormon, I was given one of the Mormon books once but it hit the trash can in a couple days.
I follow no denominational teaching, just the Holy Ghost.
Seems to me though that most all have some components correct but many still wrong.
It is strange that one can be called as a this or that based on one particular doctrine??
 
Samson2020 said:
I sir am not a Mormon, I was given one of the Mormon books once but it hit the trash can in a couple days.
I follow no denominational teaching, just the Holy Ghost.
Seems to me though that most all have some components correct but many still wrong.
It is strange that one can be called as a this or that based on one particular doctrine??
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Not a Mormon hey , sure fooled me!
We're you saved by God ..
What was the story?
 
Samson2020 said:
Yet a man, Jesus, BECAME a life giving Spirit. and the author of eternal salvation.
Jesus BECAME the author after He had finished the process laid out by His Father to come into life eternal and was then pronounced to be a god by the Father.
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doctrinal rubbish and blasphemy.
Luke 1:67 And his father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied, saying, 68 “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people
Titus 2:13 awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to himself a people for his possession, zealous of good works.
Isaiah 41:13 For I, the LORD your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, “Fear not, I am the one who helps you.”
14 Fear not, you worm Jacob, you men of Israel! I am the one who helps you, declares the LORD; your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel.
LORD = YHVH or Yehovah for some.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the [YHVH] of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Ō, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him [Jesus], I fell at his feet as one dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Fear not; I am the first and the last,
Rev 2:8 And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These things saith the first and the last, who became dead, and lived:

John 17:5 And now glorify THOU me with thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
 
Waggles said:
Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the [YHVH] of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
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At that time that was correct. But when David says "The LORD said to my Lord sit thou on my right hand........... Something would change according to the vision which was yet to come.

Unto the Son, He saith, Thy throne O God is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. ...................again a prophecy of what would be and now is.

There is no other..................agreed there will never be another Only True God. Jesus is also an alpha and an omega as He is the first and the last of the begotten of God via the flesh.

As I mentioned in my post that was a verse I used to clarify that prior to Jesus there was no other God. And indeed there will never be another Only True God-the Father.
 
Born Again 2004 said:
Not a Mormon hey , sure fooled me!
We're you saved by God ..
What was the story?
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I have been fortunate to be confirmed by the Lord in that I have been sent to deliver messages to individuals and small congregations, cast out unclean spirits, lay hands on the ill as
He has instructed and they recovered.
I do speak in tongues but only in private. Been sent to some "churches" and kicked out the same day as they would not receive what He had given to me for them. Subsequently
some were shut down shortly after.
When the infilling of the Holy Ghost came upon me I was driving and nearly wrecked, but that experience no one could ever forget. Laughing, crying for joy, words that could not be
understood coming out of my mouth, and truly knowing that what I had believed was now a known fact.


Only giving testimony.
 
QuestionIt said:
Too bad that Trinitarians don't listen to Jesus words.....
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John 10:30; "I and the Father are one."
Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
Rev 1:8; "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
John 5:25; "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
John 8:58; Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
Mark 2:28; "So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
John 3:16; "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18; "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 10:36; do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
 
B-A-C said:
John 10:30; "I and the Father are one."
Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
Rev 1:8; "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
John 5:25; "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
John 8:58; Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
Mark 2:28; "So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
John 3:16; "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18; "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 10:36; do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
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Like I said, too bad they don't listen!
No trinity, not saying he is God....
 
Rev 1:4-6 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: grace be unto you, and peace, from Him (God) which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which
are before His(Gods) throne; AND FROM JESUS CHRIST, who is the FAITHFUL WITNESS, and the first BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him
that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests unto God and HIS FATHER; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."
Not unto Himself but unto the Father.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the FAITHFUL and TRUE WITNESS, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD=FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD. Who else has overcome death and as of yet is raised from the dead?????

So Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, is THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD, according to the words that God gave Jesus to give to John.
Thus He (Jesus) cannot be the only true God as He is a creation of God according to God. Rev 3:14

QuestionIt said:
Like I said, too bad they don't listen!
No trinity, not saying he is God....
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Indeed. Anybody reading the Bible should understand that the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. No one has ever been there own Father, nor has anyone
ever become their own Son.
No one can come to the Son except the Father call him.
Trinitarian idea is Jesus calls you to Himself, then reveals Himself to be the Father that called you in the first place???????
But yet Jesus says that the children whom the Father hath given me. Did, therefore; Jesus give those children to Himself?
When Jesus says the Father hath given the Son life to have within Himself, did Jesus give this life to Himself?
 
Samson2020 said:
Rev 1:4-6 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: grace be unto you, and peace, from Him (God) which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which
are before His(Gods) throne; AND FROM JESUS CHRIST, who is the FAITHFUL WITNESS, and the first BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him
that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests unto God and HIS FATHER; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."
Not unto Himself but unto the Father.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the FAITHFUL and TRUE WITNESS, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD=FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD. Who else has overcome death and as of yet is raised from the dead?????

So Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, is THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD, according to the words that God gave Jesus to give to John.
Thus He (Jesus) cannot be the only true God as He is a creation of God according to God. Rev 3:14



Indeed. Anybody reading the Bible should understand that the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. No one has ever been there own Father, nor has anyone
ever become their own Son.
No one can come to the Son except the Father call him.
Trinitarian idea is Jesus calls you to Himself, then reveals Himself to be the Father that called you in the first place???????
But yet Jesus says that the children whom the Father hath given me. Did, therefore; Jesus give those children to Himself?
When Jesus says the Father hath given the Son life to have within Himself, did Jesus give this life to Himself?
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And Jesus identified his FATHER as the.... ONLY .... TRUE ..... God! (John 17:3, and elsewhere!)
 
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