Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them

[PloughBoy]

Note:
GOD hears and answers all Prayers. Many times we are not listening,
For many times He Says no! And He does it in so many ways. And many are dull of hearing.
And then are the times He is silent, because He already told you once already. And do you think That GOD The FATHER needs to repeat something to you , you already know.
You can cry all you want, you are going to The Cross and you are going to suffer all kinds of Darkness what HE told you was going to happen. And when it is all over at That Coronation Day then you will understand “Jesus” my SON whom I Love.

 

[complete]

Ok, I am going to approach one of your why’s.:
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
please Note:
stamp date of Authority , Before Time Existed.

addition to memory:
Jesus The Christ of GOD is always “100 percent GOD and always 100 Percent human” and never does HE looses a percentage of HIS being.

And if the question is ask, how can he do that?

The answer: “With man things can be impossible, but with GOD nothing is Impossible” and HE can never cease to exist.

Hello @PloughBoy,

I think you must have my post mixed up with that of another, for I did not refer to these things, or speak in terms of 'why'. I had responded to your reference to Gethsemane.and the fact that God answered the Lord's prayer on that occasion, by sending the angel from Heaven to strengthen Him, thus alleviating the mental and physical pressure His body was under, thereby enabling Him to overcome the struggle of Gethsemane and go on to fulfil God's purpose for Him, at the cross.

His prayers were answered.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

Hear is one of the “Why’s” I approach,

Your quote:

“He was encountering, and they could have led to His death taking place before the time appointed by the Father: that is why He prayed that the cup of suffering he was enduring be taken from Him. He had come to die,”

Really, He Came to die?
How far did HE have to come?
And The Father sent The Angels?

What I wrote or posted for you in “Post 60 & 61” was one of those “Arrows” that goes Beyond many, But when it comes to you you have The Sight To go Beyond others who comes near not “The Mark”. For The Arrow is beyond you. You have to Look a little Further, and put all of The Pudding in The Pie, With the “Toppings” too!
Then Go back and read your Post #59 again
Then at some point you will find you may have made a effort of stripping “The Deity” of Christ at one point then another. Maybe unbeknownst to you.

Your Brother in Christ.

 

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Complete said in reply #59

'Who in the days of His flesh,
when He had offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears
unto Him that was able to save Him from death,
and was heard in that He feared; ... '
(Hebrews 5:7)

Hello @PloughBoy,

Looking back at your OP I see that you refer to the Garden of Gethsemane, and the occasions that the Lord prayed to God that, ' ... this cup pass from me'.

'Then saith He unto them,
My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death:
tarry ye here, and watch with Me.
And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying,
"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt."
(Matthew 26:38-39)

'He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying,
"O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from Me, except I drink it, Thy will be done."'
(Matthew 26:42)

'And he left them, and went away again,
and prayed the third time, saying the same words.'
(Mat 26:44)

* I believe that, Hebrews 5:7, quoted at the beginning of my post, tells us that those prayers were indeed answered: for He was saved from death on that occasion. In Luke's account of that ordeal in Luke 22:43, we are told that:- ' ... there appeared an angel unto Him from heaven, strengthening Him.' The only other occasion that we hear of angels ministering to the Lord in this way, was following His time of temptation in the wilderness:- 'Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him' (Mat 4:11) .

* The symptoms that are described in the three accounts that we have in Matthew, Mark and Luke, describe the effects of the ordeal He was encountering, and they could have led to His death taking place before the time appointed by the Father: that is why He prayed that the cup of suffering he was enduring be taken from Him. He had come to die, He was not seeking to avoid what He was born to do, no, for He had, 'put His hand to the plough', and would not 'look back' (Luke 9:62). This warfare He was undergoing could have ended in His death, and He did not want to die prematurely, He wanted to fulfill His Father's will, and be able to say, 'It is finished' (John 19:30).

'Who in the days of His flesh,
when He had offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears
unto Him that was able to save Him from death,
and was heard in that He feared; ... '
(Hebrews 5:7)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hear is one of the “Why’s” I approach,

Your quote:

“He was encountering, and they could have led to His death taking place before the time appointed by the Father: that is why He prayed that the cup of suffering he was enduring be taken from Him. He had come to die,”

Really, He Came to die?
How far did HE have to come?
And The Father sent The Angels?

What I wrote or posted for you in “Post 60 & 61” was one of those “Arrows” that goes Beyond many, But when it comes to you you have The Sight To go Beyond others who comes near not “The Mark”. For The Arrow is beyond you. You have to Look a little Further, and put all of The Pudding in The Pie, With the “Toppings” too!
Then Go back and read your Post #59 again
Then at some point you will find you may have made a effort of stripping “The Deity” of Christ at one point then another. Maybe unbeknownst to you.

Your Brother in Christ.

Hello @PloughBoy,

If, as you say, I have inadvertently done despite to the truth concerning the Deity of Christ, then I will indeed look back over what I have written in post #59, and ensure that that is not the case.

Thank you for your kindness.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[th1bill]

It seems to me you two like the same “confectionery” store. Located “Post 55”.

If you would stop with the false pride and smart mouthing, you might, accidentally, convey to us more than the evil in your heart.

 

[PloughBoy]

If you would stop with the false pride and smart mouthing, you might, accidentally, convey to us more than the evil in your heart.

I am not a fake, I know I am a “sinner”, that happens to be saved by Grace “Indicative”.
Now can you comprehend what that means?
For your information, that is a question.
Do you compute?
Another question.
1+1= 2.

 

[th1bill]

I am not a fake, I know I am a “sinner”, that happens to be saved by Grace “Indicative”.
Now can you comprehend what that means?
For your information, that is a question.
Do you compute?
Another question.
1+1= 2.

There you go again trying to make a dirt-ball sinner worse than Paul ever was, trying as hard to make a forgiven sinner that can tell true stories that wo uld make your blood boil. In three Combat Tours in Vietnam I killed and lusted to kill until I was sick of it, and you think your Child Speak will harm me?

 

[PloughBoy]

There you go again trying to make a dirt-ball sinner worse than Paul ever was, trying as hard to make a forgiven sinner that can tell true stories that wo uld make your blood boil. In three Combat Tours in Vietnam I killed and lusted to kill until I was sick of it, and you think your Child Speak will harm me?

Ok, let us give it a break. I don’t like you! You don’t like me, I don’t need you, I don’t want to need, you don’t need me, you don’t need to speak to me, I don’t need to speak to you.
At this point let us. Cease all of this unhealthy speech. The body of Christ does not need this poison coming from me.

So, in my weakness and I will cease fire and refrain from this kind of talk with you, and apologize to the my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord. And you. For such animosity, I don’t like you and don’t want to like you, so bye

PS. You growing any “Horns” yet?

 

[B-A-C]

It seems some threads are here just to be noise.
For example - "Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them"

John 10:29; "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 10:30; "I and the Father are one."

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

John 5:21; "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.
John 5:22; "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

 

[PloughBoy]

It seems some threads are here just to be noise.
For example - "Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them"

John 10:29; "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 10:30; "I and the Father are one."

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

John 5:21; "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.
John 5:22; "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

Some threads titles are
“evangelistic” there is a “Target”.
Some Thread titles are “informational” for those who are not informed, but like to be informed.
Some thread titles are inspirational, for those to be inspired.

Some thread titles are inspired by GOD,

Some threads Titles are sensual and inflamed by the flesh.

For only GOD himself is The Judge and at the proper date all “Words” we know will come into “Judgment” and a “Just” reward.

 

[God's Truth]

"Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them"

Right! For each one of us has to repent of our sins and forgive all who have sinned against us in order to be forgiven and saved.

 

[PloughBoy]

"Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them"

Right! For each one of us has to repent of our sins and forgive all who have sinned against us in order to be forgiven and saved.

So you are saying it is up to you to get saved? You have to do something and after you have done then Then GOD will save you. If he wants too

 

[God's Truth]

So you are saying it is up to you to get saved? You have to do something and after you have done then Then GOD will save you. If he wants too

It is up to us and it is up to Jesus. Jesus saves those who get his teachings and obeys. We have to do what Jesus says to do. We have to trust him and his commands and do what he says. His words are Spirit and life. We don't have the Spirit and life if we don't do what he says.

John 6:63 The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

 

[Samson2020]

Right! For each one of us has to repent of our sins and forgive all who have sinned against us in order to be forgiven and saved.

You are saved by GRACE through FAITH and that (FAITH) is NOT of yourself it (FAITH) is the GIFT OF GOD.

You could not nor would not forgive anything unless you had been forgiven first and truly knew it.

 

[God's Truth]

You are saved by GRACE through FAITH and that (FAITH) is NOT of yourself it (FAITH) is the GIFT OF GOD.

You could not nor would not forgive anything unless you had been forgiven first and truly knew it.

The gift is to God's children, His heirs.
We have to become a child of God's first before we receive anything
If we don't do what Jesus says to do, then we won't be saved.

 

[Samson2020]

The gift is to God's children, His heirs.
We have to become a child of God's first before we receive anything
If we don't do what Jesus says to do, then we won't be saved.

You really need to look up the definition of GRACE.

 

[God's Truth]

You really need to look up the definition of GRACE.

I know very well what grace is.
Grace is that we can be reconciled to God and no longer have to purify ourselves by getting circumcised in the flesh and sacrificing animals...
Grace is that we are purified by Jesus now by just having faith that his blood purifiers us of the sins we repent of doing.