Just because Jesus said FATHER forgive them does not mean The FATHER will Forgive them

[PloughBoy]

34But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.35And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.” 36And the soldiers also mocked Him, coming up to Him, offering Him sour wine, 37and saying, “If You are the King of the Jews, save Yourself!” 38Now there was also an inscription above Him, “THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.”

39And one of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!”40But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?

The Son obeys the Father and The Father does not obey’s The Son. For the Son does not commands The Father The FATHER Commands The Son and The Son obeys The commands of His FATHER.

Jesus said My Father is Greater than I.

Jesus said: I always obey My FAtHER.

And King David said: The LORD said unto my Lord, sit here on MY right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

The Father gives The SON commands for The SON does Not commands THE FATHER, And The FATHER does Not Obey The SON. And they are in Agreement at all times.

The SON prayed in The Garden of Gethsemane
3 times about This cup being removed from him, but He never got a an answer. And Jesus said not my will be done but your will be done.

He knelt down and began to pray, 42saying, “Father, if Thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Thine be done.” 43Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. 44And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.

 

[Samson2020]

Matthew 12:31 "Wherefore I say unto you, ALL manner of SIN and blasphemy SHALL BE FORGIVEN unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven
unto men."
Matt 12:32 Fits here as well.

I would conclude that the sin against Jesus was the sin that He was asking the Father to forgive them of. And since these are Jesus' words given Him to say by the Father these
are the Fathers words. After all God was in Christ Jesus reconciling the world unto Himself Not imputing their trespasses unto them.

We also know from 31 that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost was not to be forgiven; however, those words were spoken while the old covenant was still in effect.
Now if Jesus died to take away the sin of the world did He not pay the price for ALL of it with His own life?

 

[PloughBoy]

Matthew 12:31 "Wherefore I say unto you, ALL manner of SIN and blasphemy SHALL BE FORGIVEN unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven
unto men."
Matt 12:32 Fits here as well.

I would conclude that the sin against Jesus was the sin that He was asking the Father to forgive them of. And since these are Jesus' words given Him to say by the Father these
are the Fathers words. After all God was in Christ Jesus reconciling the world unto Himself Not imputing their trespasses unto them.

We also know from 31 that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost was not to be forgiven; however, those words were spoken while the old covenant was still in effect.
Now if Jesus died to take away the sin of the world did He not pay the price for ALL of it with His own life?

So one English paragraph of a translation was taken out of a book of Books and letters and Songs and poetry from“Genesis to Revelation” determines “The Salvation of The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY”.
WOW, what a “Theological Genius”.

PS. The WORD of GOD was in Jesus The Christ of GOD The FATHER.

“For My FATHER is Greater Than I”
“

Please do not forget You cannot label me with “Christian Dogma” or measure me with that “PlumbLine” thought. For I am measure by a different standard.
It is impossible to measure that line to me.

For I am a not a Christian and please do not measure me with that line. For you will always “Miss the mark” if you do.

S’Il vous plait

 

[Samson2020]

I used to be able to have a normal conversation with you. But now after a yr or so away you are unreachable and very strange to say the least. I will do my best to never respond
to anything you post as it just gets wierder when you respond.
Personally I question a sound mind still being in you.
You can always tell an unlearned person as they think they know it all, when in reality they just havn't figured out how unlearned they really are.

 

[Bethel]

34But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them;

Actually God did forgive them.
Why?
Its for the same reason that John 3:16 exists in the New Testament.
God was forgiving those Christ Killing Jews, before Christ died on the Cross, exactly as God forgives your sin, after Christ died on the Cross.

A.) Eternal Forgiveness on that DAY..... is based on God's mercy, AS Christ ON the Cross......both before He died and after.

 

[PloughBoy]

“Limited Atonement” sorry but GOD the FATHER is not Your Emily Post or Betty Crocker. For GOD the FATHER hands out “Mercy” as Well as “Justice” For He Is. A Just GOD a GOD of Justice and showing mercy to whom HE pleases.

 

[Bethel]

“Limited Atonement”

"Limited Atonement" : is a concept created Not by God, but by John Calvin.

I was not aware that he died for anyone's sins.

So....Try not to get them confused, next time.......as so many seem to do.

 

[PloughBoy]

I used to be able to have a normal conversation with you. But now after a yr or so away you are unreachable and very strange to say the least. I will do my best to never respond
to anything you post as it just gets wierder when you respond.
Personally I question a sound mind still being in you.
You can always tell an unlearned person as they think they know it all, when in reality they just havn't figured out how unlearned they really are.

Who do think you is, If your mission is or was to convert me into your ways. You lost before you began. I been this way for over 30 plus years and over 44 year walking in the ways of GOD who is my Father in which He has few adopted sons. I am solid as a rock, and cannot be move and not carried about every wind and doctrine of a mortal man.
For many in the past have view my meekness as weakness,
And when the rubber met The Road. The deception of their approach, which their intended victim look like a lamb slain, it was Bold as a “Lion”.
Wrong one.

 

[PloughBoy]

"Limited Atonement" : is a concept created Not by God, but by John Calvin.

I was not aware that he died for anyone's sins.

So....Try not to get them confused, next time.......as so many seem to do.

You do not know nothing about John Calvin or the doctrine of Limited Atonement. So you go into a corner and sit down. Your deception is remarkable. 1st go learn the language before you speak. And this time the language is called “Calvinese”. Then you address the matter intelligently. But we all know most are to lazy to read the whole book at least twice a year as a whole let alone learn “Calvinese”.

Are your horns growing now. Do you feel loving?

 

[Bethel]

You do not know nothing about John Calvin

"TUPLP".

There is your JCalvin doctrine.

Im not a follower.
Im a Christian......not a Calvinist.

This person you are enamored with, once helped someone be burned alive.
That's John Calvin's legacy among other things.
You should research the history...

As for me, i dont have any use for the idea that many believe he is the co-author of the bible.
He's not.
He's just some man whose theology has caused so much chaos in the body of Christ.

Hyper-Calvinism, is a cancer on the body of Christ.

 

[PloughBoy]

"TUPLP".

There is your JCalvin doctrine.

Im not a follower.
Im a Christian......not a Calvinist.

This person you are enamored with, once helped someone be burned alive.
That's John Calvin's legacy among other things.
You should research the history...

As for me, i dont have any use for the idea that many believe he is the co-author of the bible.
He's not.
He's just some man whose theology has caused so much chaos in the body of Christ.

Hyper-Calvinism, is a cancer on the body of Christ.

You said: you are a Christian.
And you act like one too!

 

[Bethel]

You said: you are a Christian.
And you act like one too!

Christianity is not an 'act", which explains why you dont understand it.

Also, Christ does not require us to agree with liars, heretics, or ministers of the devil.
So, count me in on that, PloughBoy.
Im all in.

 

[PloughBoy]

Christianity is not an 'act", which explains why you dont understand it.

Also, Christ does not require us to agree with liars, heretics, or ministers of the devil.
So, count me in on that, PloughBoy.
Im all in.

Really

 

[Bethel]

Really

What im explaining is...

Lets say a hyper calvinist wants to come to a "Christian" forum and talk about Calvin, instead of talking about Jesus.....as that is what they do. (thats how you recognize a disciple of John Calvin)
So, that does not make God happy, and so, it does not make me happy.
God is not interested in what John Calvin had to say.....>He's interested in getting as many people into the family of God, through Christ, as possible.

 

[PloughBoy]

What im explaining is...

Lets say a hyper calvinist wants to come to a "Christian" forum and talk about Calvin, instead of talking about Jesus.....as that is what they do. (thats how you recognize a disciple of John Calvin)
So, that does not make God happy, and so, it does not make me happy.
God is not interested in what John Calvin had to say.....>He's interested in getting as many people into the family of God, through Christ, as possible.

Over 2.6 Billion Christian’s in the world and over 44 million different denominations and non denominations of Christian’s. And every one of the 2.6 billion on top of the 44 million.. Christian organisation's,
If you think I am going to discuss The Life of John Calvin and The Remonstrant of 1610 held at The Synod of Dort. With a illiterate of such knowledge. Not me. I ain’t no fool and I am not going to act like one or be lead by a illiterate in such matters as these. I suggest take it to a illiterate in such matter concern The Remonstrance of 1610.
And drop the discussion about “John Calvin” with me. If you don’t I will.

you brought his name up I didn’t. And if you want to talk about John Calvin take it to another Thread. enough is enough. For we are drifting to far away.

 

[Bethel]

be lead by a illiterate in such matters as these.

"TULIP"........ Hyper Calvinism ......... Cult.

Same thing.
Dont be one one of those.


Go here.... "Michael Servetus'"

Do a bit of study.
Calvin didnt light the flame, he just held the Match, and this man burned.....burned.
There is your "Calvin"..... he's that one.

 

[PloughBoy]

"TULIP"........ Hyper Calvinism ......... Cult.

Same thing.
Dont be one one of those.


Go here.... "Michael Servetus'"

Do a bit of study.
Calvin didnt light the flame, he just held the Match, and this man burned.....burned.
There is your "Calvin"..... he's that one.

That is kindergarten grammar school materials a digestive over 30 plus years ago I been studying the Holy Scriptures and biblical history and biographies for over 40 year
And I don’t mean church ! And Sunday school classes a Bible study on Wednesday night or lame duck mens Saturday morning breakfast fellowship in the name of Jesus.
Why you still in grammar school and having such conversations. Where you been? “remember thy creator in the days of thy youth”

 

[Bethel]

That is kindergarten grammar school materials a digestive over 30 plus years ago I been studying the Holy Scriptures

Yet, you dont know anything about the personal life of the man whose doctrine you feel is what you need to tell me about, and this forum about.
See, im not the one strangled by "limited atonement" heresy that you wanted to share on this Forum.
Remember. ??

So, you are 40 yrs into Calvin, and im Seminary Trained and teach all over the world.
Anything else you need to compare?

As i said, just find out about this person, and that will hopefully help you to see the Light.

 

[PloughBoy]

Yet, you dont know anything about the personal life of the man whose doctrine you feel is what you need to tell me about, and this forum about.
See, im not the one strangled by "limited atonement" heresy that you wanted to share on this Forum.
Remember. ??

So, you are 40 yrs into Calvin, and im Seminary Trained and teach all over the world.
Anything else you need to compare?

As i said, just find out about this person, and that will hopefully help you to see the Light.

Are you dense, drop the conversation Christian about “John Calvin”And take it to another Thread

 

[Bethel]

Are you dense, drop the conversation Christian about “John Calvin”And take it to another Thread

Tired of talking about your Calvinism?
I dont blame you.
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PloughBoy
“Limited Atonement” sorry but GOD the FATHER is not Your Emily Post or Betty Crocker. For GOD the FATHER hands out “Mercy” as Well as “Justice” For He Is. A Just GOD a GOD of Justice and showing mercy to whom HE pleases.