Have you been Baptized?

[Bob Carabbio]

Umm...no. Repenting in Scripture, particularly in the NT, always has to do with sin. And I repeat, according to Scripture, Jesus was sinless...that means He had nothing to repent from.

Exactly what kind of religion to you hail from, because what you give above is not Scriptural in the least bit.

SO when God repented, it was because He'd sinned??

 

[HonorVids]

Yes, it was a great feeling to be baptized, as Jesus Christ was baptized.

 

[Shaolin]

SO when God repented, it was because He'd sinned??

First of all...what evidence do you have from a legitimate source that God has ever repented from anything?

You made a bold statement with no Scripture to back it up...

And by legitimate, I mean a valid translation other than the error-riddled KJV.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

First of all...what evidence do you have from a legitimate source that God has ever repented from anything?

You made a bold statement with no Scripture to back it up...

And by legitimate, I mean a valid translation other than the error-riddled KJV.

Chuckle!!! since you're apparently a KJV hater, pray tell what's your "Magic translation" that you consider "valid"??

 

[Shaolin]

Chuckle!!! since you're apparently a KJV hater, pray tell what's your "Magic translation" that you consider "valid"??

I say with David...

Psalms 119:104*
Because of Your instruction I understand truth; therefore, I am established in uprightness and I hate anything that is false.

When studying the Greek, it was made abundantly clear that the KJV (along with others) are corrupt and not accurately translated according to the Greek and its rules of grammar (like the NIV). As I have stated many times, Greek cannot be accurately translated into English on a word-for-word basis, and every...EVERY...English translation thus far (except for paraphrases, which I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole) are word-for-word renderings.

Anyone who know at least two different languages fluently will tell you the same. Most languages cannot be rendered accurately in translation unless they are thought-for-thought translations. When you see an asterisk on the address of a text that I quote, that tells you that it is a thought-for-thought translation of that text, because there is something wrong with the translation in other renderings.

 

[BroTan]

Again...gnostic knowledge does not come from God or His Spirit. No where in Scripture are we told, or is it even hinted at, that Christ is the tree of life. You are deluded, listening to seducing spirits. You should put that nonsense aside and start following Scripture and what the Spirit says (if you could hear Him when He speaks, that is)...

Yeah....I just needed to confirm my thoughts. I post a simple scripture an ask a simple question about who these two trees where, and thats how you respond. peace in Jesus name

 

[Shaolin]

Yeah....I just needed to confirm my thoughts. I post a simple scripture an ask a simple question about who these two trees where, and thats how you respond. peace in Jesus name

Yes...that's because "these two trees" are NOT people, Christ or otherwise. A tree is a tree...simple as that. If your thought was that the tree of life is Christ, then your thought has been confirmed to be in error.

Blessings.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I say with David...

Psalms 119:104*
Because of Your instruction I understand truth; therefore, I am established in uprightness and I hate anything that is false.

When studying the Greek, it was made abundantly clear that the KJV (along with others) are corrupt and not accurately translated according to the Greek and its rules of grammar (like the NIV). As I have stated many times, Greek cannot be accurately translated into English on a word-for-word basis, and every...EVERY...English translation thus far (except for paraphrases, which I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole) are word-for-word renderings.

Anyone who know at least two different languages fluently will tell you the same. Most languages cannot be rendered accurately in translation unless they are thought-for-thought translations. When you see an asterisk on the address of a text that I quote, that tells you that it is a thought-for-thought translation of that text, because there is something wrong with the translation in other renderings.

SO you DON'T KNOW which translation is BETTER than the KJV, then??? Very "Helpful".

 

[Shaolin]

SO you DON'T KNOW which translation is BETTER than the KJV, then??? Very "Helpful".

Another person who can't understand plain English...and you are trying to lecture me on Scripture? Very telling.

Let's try again at the 3rd grade level...NO English Bible to date is free from translation error. While that might mean to you that there is no Bible "better" than the KJV, to those with common sense understanding it also means that NONE of them are accurate 100%.

I can tell you straight up that the ESV is FAR better than the KJV, even the NKJV is far better than the KJV. Sorry if you are a lover of the KJV, but it IS one of the worst ones out there (aside, of course, of the NIV...the Not Inspired Version...).

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Another person who can't understand plain English...and you are trying to lecture me on Scripture? Very telling.

Let's try again at the 3rd grade level...NO English Bible to date is free from translation error. While that might mean to you that there is no Bible "better" than the KJV, to those with common sense understanding it also means that NONE of them are accurate 100%.

I can tell you straight up that the ESV is FAR better than the KJV, even the NKJV is far better than the KJV. Sorry if you are a lover of the KJV, but it IS one of the worst ones out there (aside, of course, of the NIV...the Not Inspired Version...).

FInally a "Straight answer" So the ESV is your go-to version, then.

So Jeremiah 18:8 instead of "REPENT" (KJV) substitutes the word "RELENT" (ESV) which, of course in this case carries exactly the same meaning: IF (big "if) the nation turns from their evil, then the BAD God was going to do to it, won't happen. SO - no "SIN" involved - only a change in direction based on certain criteria.

 

[Shaolin]

FInally a "Straight answer" So the ESV is your go-to version, then.

So Jeremiah 18:8 instead of "REPENT" (KJV) substitutes the word "RELENT" (ESV) which, of course in this case carries exactly the same meaning: IF (big "if) the nation turns from their evil, then the BAD God was going to do to it, won't happen. SO - no "SIN" involved - only a change in direction based on certain criteria.

Allow me to educate you a little here so that you don't remain in ignorance on this point...

Firstly, this is not a passage or subject matter that you can call upon a single word for justification or nullification. The intent of God is made fully known in that He has already made up His mind that He will bring disaster unless they repent, and if they do repent, He has already made up His mind to not bring disaster. The only way you can come to the full and complete, accurate understanding of a text is to take everything in the text into consideration. You are arguing out of a bias against the idea that you have in your mind, but that idea is based upon a false premise.

God knows everything that will ever take place, and in order to be righteous, He sets the rules. Those rules do not change. If this...then this, but if that...then that. Since He has already made the rules, it does you no good to try and play against them, which is what you have done (albeit without understanding that you have).

Your argument is void and moot. God does not "repent," nor does He change His mind. He acts according to righteousness and the righteous and just rules that He has ALREADY set. IF you die in your sins, He will sentence you to eternal fire. But if you repent, walk with Him according to His rules, and die in personal relationship with Him, then you will go to heaven. "If...then; if not...then."

Secondly, God does NOT contradict Himself, ever. Therefore, when we read that God does not repent (I Sam. 15:29), that is exactly what He means. Whenever you find an "apparent" contradiction in Scripture, it is NOT Scripture that contradicts...it is either a faulty translation of one or more texts, or it is your carnal interpretation. But God does not contradict Himself.

Hope that helps.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Allow me to educate you a little here so that you don't remain in ignorance on this point...

Firstly, this is not a passage or subject matter that you can call upon a single word for justification or nullification. The intent of God is made fully known in that He has already made up His mind that He will bring disaster unless they repent, and if they do repent, He has already made up His mind to not bring disaster. The only way you can come to the full and complete, accurate understanding of a text is to take everything in the text into consideration. You are arguing out of a bias against the idea that you have in your mind, but that idea is based upon a false premise.

God knows everything that will ever take place, and in order to be righteous, He sets the rules. Those rules do not change. If this...then this, but if that...then that. Since He has already made the rules, it does you no good to try and play against them, which is what you have done (albeit without understanding that you have).

Your argument is void and moot. God does not "repent," nor does He change His mind. He acts according to righteousness and the righteous and just rules that He has ALREADY set. IF you die in your sins, He will sentence you to eternal fire. But if you repent, walk with Him according to His rules, and die in personal relationship with Him, then you will go to heaven. "If...then; if not...then."

Secondly, God does NOT contradict Himself, ever. Therefore, when we read that God does not repent (I Sam. 15:29), that is exactly what He means. Whenever you find an "apparent" contradiction in Scripture, it is NOT Scripture that contradicts...it is either a faulty translation of one or more texts, or it is your carnal interpretation. But God does not contradict Himself.

Hope that helps.

But, of course, what you missed completely is that "Repentance" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with SIN, and only means to stop what you're doing, turn around, and go another way. In this instance, that's exactily what Jesus did at His baptism - He STOPPED being what He was (which had no sin attached thereto), and went another way.

 

[Shaolin]

But, of course, what you missed completely is that "Repentance" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with SIN, and only means to stop what you're doing, turn around, and go another way. In this instance, that's exactily what Jesus did at His baptism - He STOPPED being what He was (which had no sin attached thereto), and went another way.

I just read your post where you claim to be part of the Assemblies...if that was not a lie, then you betray what you attend.

I did not miss anything...if you will recall to mind (if you can), I said from the outset of this conversation that in the NT the word repent only has to do with sin. The word translated as repent is is found 32 times in the NT, and in every instance it directly refers ONLY to repenting from sin.

You are adding your own carnal reasoning to Christ's baptism. He did not repent, God used His baptism as His inauguration into His Messianic Offices and that was when He began His ministry. You are arguing out of ignorance of the subject matter, not out of any actual accurate knowledge of it.

Blessing

 

[BroTan]

Yes...that's because "these two trees" are NOT people, Christ or otherwise. A tree is a tree...simple as that. If your thought was that the tree of life is Christ, then your thought has been confirmed to be in error.

Blessings.

In Genesis 3: 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So you think Cherubim with a flaming sword just guarding a regular tree out of the ground. Well according to what I just post, that's a very very power tree, because you could live forever eating off that tree of live.

 

[Shaolin]

In Genesis 3: 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So you think Cherubim with a flaming sword just guarding a regular tree out of the ground. Well according to what I just post, that's a very very power tree, because you could live forever eating off that tree of live.

Yes, because that is exactly what the Word says. No where, again, does it ever say anywhere, nor even hint at, the false demonic idea that Christ is the tree of life. We see the tree in Eden, and then we never see it again until the last few chapters of Revelation. Again, if you are daft enough to think that Jesus is a tree of life, then you have some real cognitive issues.

Don't add to the Word, BT, and don't subtract from it...when you do, you only hurt yourself and anyone naive enough to believe your nonsense.

 

[BroTan]

Yes, because that is exactly what the Word says. No where, again, does it ever say anywhere, nor even hint at, the false demonic idea that Christ is the tree of life. We see the tree in Eden, and then we never see it again until the last few chapters of Revelation. Again, if you are daft enough to think that Jesus is a tree of life, then you have some real cognitive issues.

Don't add to the Word, BT, and don't subtract from it...when you do, you only hurt yourself and anyone naive enough to believe your nonsense.

So why did Eve talk to the tree of the knowledge of good of evil in Genesis 3: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Looks like a tree that can talk here.

 

[Shaolin]

So why did Eve talk to the tree of the knowledge of good of evil in Genesis 3: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Looks like a tree that can talk here.

Wow...the fact that you have demonstrated a very limited reading comprehension here is truly telling...no wonder you are caught up in so many false teachings. Read it again, IN CONTEXT:

Genesis 3:1-7
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?"
2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden,
3 but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.

The tree never talks (rolling eyes), it is the satan possessed snake that is talking.

(Yeash!)

This is more evidence...

 

[BroTan]

Wow...the fact that you have demonstrated a very limited reading comprehension here is truly telling...no wonder you are caught up in so many false teachings. Read it again, IN CONTEXT:

Genesis 3:1-7
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?"
2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden,
3 but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.

The tree never talks (rolling eyes), it is the satan possessed snake that is talking.

(Yeash!)

This is more evidence...

There a conversation happening here in Genesis 3: 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The fruit of tree here is the knowledge of good and evil, but the name turn to the serpent, who's speaking to the women. pay attention to what you are reading. Serpents don't talk nor trees, so who is this talking?

 

[Shaolin]

There a conversation happening here in Genesis 3: 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The fruit of tree here is the knowledge of good and evil, but the name turn to the serpent, who's speaking to the women. pay attention to what you are reading. Serpents don't talk nor trees, so who is this talking?

Wow...just...wow... We see where "God said..." and where "Eve said..." and where the "serpent said..."; but no where do we see that "the tree said..."

If its too hard to follow, I can try to break it down to a 3rd grade level of understanding...but 99% of the Christian world who has read this narrative, understands that the serpent can only speak because it is possessed by satan at the time.

Do I need to break it down, or can you understand that?

 

[Buscolady]

Fooy!
Under water, one, two or three method are all fooy...all man-made.

People mistaken :"BAPTISM" only water associated with being "dunked"..food!

Many à good Christian mistakes Baptism with water because what they think Jesus told Nicodemus in the book of JOHN that person MUST be born of Water and the Spirit to be saved hence Water Baptism! and because the Bible repeatedly mentions being baptized in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; again ,for many, this requires Water Baptism.
But, Jesus was telling Nicodemus that a man, to be saved, he must have two births: one of water AND one of the Spirit.
Jesus further explained this to Nicodemus by saying; " Flesh gives birth to flesh and the Spirit gives birth to Spirit !

The first birth we all have, "Born of water" (the womb) and the second birth is the birth into the Kingdom of God by the Holy Spirit...If you believe in Jesus , as your personal and only Savior, God will infuse you with His Spirit, hence "Born of the Spirit"!

WATER BAPTISM IS AND CAN BE A VERY SPECIAL MOMENT BUT, you can be born of God, "Born of the Spirit", in or out of the water!

This is the truth