Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.
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B-A-C
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But He is not the Holy Spirit.
His character hasn't changed, but where He lived, (heaven or earth) if He had a flesh body, if was dead, and who He dwells with... has changed.
Reba1
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What is your belief of the Trinity? Remember at any cost to The Word of God force His Word to fit man's theology .
B-A-C
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Where does the Bible say Jesus is the Holy Spirit?
It is simply say the tongue of men natural uncovered or messengers of God believers called sons of God as the gift of prophecy, Not the gift of nonsense making baby noises falling back slain in the Spirit .If any man has not love
The are no gifts as noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. a sign someone made a noise. Jesus said its a evil genraration that seeks after signs and not prophecy actual words .Why wonder after or what they call self edifying ?.
1Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
I do not think it changes anything as to the doctrine of tongue spoken of in verse 21 of 1 Corinthians chapter 14 the testimony of the law found Isaiah 28 18 .
To the law Isaiah 28 and the testimony 1 Corinthians 14 :21 . . if mankind speak not of according that word of prophecy then there is no light in their path
1 Corinthians 14 :21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues languages) and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Have you looked at the foundation of the doctrine Isaiah 28? It speaks directly to those called drunkards in Isaiah 28 verse 1 those who mock God making noises like a baby (Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqawZe’er sham ze’er sham.”) and falling backward slain in the spirit .Again mocking the word of God the spirit of judgment with there oral tradition
Isaiah 28:9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:“Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqawZe’er sham ze’er sham.”So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”
But they would not listen to him. So the So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them: “Saw lasaw saw lasaw. Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw. Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.
The fulfillment of Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them: They called Peter the drunk they were intoxicated on false pride self edification .no such thing as a sign self edifying gift .
Again to the law ( So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them) and the testimony below
Acts 2: 12-13 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Reba1
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Thank you for making your views so very clear.
B-A-C
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How is healing someone, or prophesying self edifying? It doesn't help me in any way. Even if I speak in a tongue, how does that help me?
1Cor 14:2; For the one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people, but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries
1Cor 14:22; So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe
B-A-C
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Now that I've made mine clear, do you mind making yours clearer? Do you believe Jesus is the Holy Spirit?
I would offer it does take some work comparing everything that pertains to it which includes looking to the foundation as a law (isaiah28) the whole chapter .
That's the point, self edifying , seeking after wonderments or marveling doesn't help but rather it produces self pride as glorying in one own flesh . (I did it it proves I have the Holy Spirit) similar to water baptism, the foundation of the doctrines must first be searched out in the old testament the law. The new testament, the testimony of the law .
As it says. . its a sign that some do not believe prophecy they mock the spirit of judgement by making a noise and falling backward slain in the spirit . Its not a sign someone believes .
Prophecy the tongue of God is for believers .
The opening statement which is carried on from the previous love chapter .
1 Corinthians 14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. . . . (declare the word of God)
Spiritual gifts are not gifts seen, a spirit has no form.
It why Jesus spoke to Nicodemus and lovingly commanded him to marvel or wonder not not in regard to the greatest gift "born again " but rather believe . . . wondering or marveling leads to doubt not faith. . . . (the power of God )
Nicodemus who served a hierarchy of men, Pharisees, Sadaucesss etc. demanded of Jesus some outward proof .This shows they were not walking by faith the unseen eternal but rather after the temporal things seen .
John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Above the law . . below the outward testimony
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Signs that reveal prophecy is working in them follow after they are not sought after they reveal the spiritual unseen work of God . Again to emphasize they follow after not something we seek after as self-edifying.
The parable bellow speaks of it .
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;. The new tongues is the gospel prophecy it can cast out demons. Not senseless sounds . Believers can in effect come under the teaching of a brood of vipers as false prophets and they are not affected by those poisonous lies .They will not fall backward slain in the spirit of judgment according to the law of judgment. revealed in the old testament.
Many in a hope of self edifying .(I did it, it proves it.) . have drank poison and died , therefore revealing they did not mixing faith the unseen understanding of that parable they died wondering .Not coming to faith as it is written. . .believing.
In response to the Trinity / Godhead/. God the Father , Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are separate entities but work together to provide our salvation. The Holy Spirit came upon people and then left again. In the New Testament and onward the Holy Spirit comes to indwell a believer at the moment of salvation and stays with the person until he / she is with Jesus Christ forever.
Waggles
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Prove to me and others that praying in tongues are "senseless sounds."
Waggles
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That ain't scripture.
PloughBoy
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Let me say this again, i take no instructors, no teachings, and no suggestions about "GOD" by any "Corrupted" creature called man. because we are corrupted to the core. GOD gave us, meaning "the few", a straight command The 1st with a promise. "Thou shall obey thy father and Thy mother the 1st command with a promise.When she became pastor, brother, that was the time to leave, long before she told the lie that another woman was her wife.
And I am to obey The Government. for it is written in the Book "All men are liars" and I ain't into religion. And I ain't in "The U. S. Military ". And i Ain't into pastors. .. I don't care if the pastor is a male or female. I got one "Shepherd" and He ain't Human. And i don't need a interpreter....
I have a LIVING GOD and HE is My FATHER and I am not HIS only child. If GOD is your Father and JESUS the Christ is your High Priest, and The "ADVOCATE" the PARACLETE of GOD is living in you. why do you need instructions from a Corrupted a mere mortal man to teach you into anything about GOD.
Man can teach you a lot about religion. for he is a religious person. and He spends his life, and times learning about it hours upon hours and creating ones. adn In Full leadership with a host following him, like a herd of not knowing where they are going, Today it may be the springs of cool, tomorrow green pastures but yet it maybe the "Slaughter house". [Go have a talk with "EZEKIEL" let that Prophet talk to you]
Now I believe one may have the wrong god and could be in trouble and toss about every wind and the doctrines of men if you need a pastor a man or woman. You are still lost and searching and looking for answers. And if you are not in that category, you might be just, moving around , trying to deceive others and give them directions into the same lies of confusion of mortal religious men and in danger not knowing what you are doing.
The only instructions i give to my brothers and sisters who are "In Christ" i mean real "Brothers and sisters" in Christ read your Bible, a good and excellent one. from front to back, over and over again. read it as a "BOOK" until you know it as a BOOK. The Bible is not to be read like "Ticker Tape". or like "Fortune cookies". and if you have develop such practices. The devil is not going to cut you loose, Because he likes to engage like that. he is a Specialist in such practices. You are in trouble some practices is hard to break
And if you have been a true and real Child of GOD and been one for a least a year and have not develop the practices of reading your Bible as a whole and knowing it as such. Most likely you will never know your Bible "The WORD of GOD" and it is impossible to Know The "LIVING WORD of GOD" as you should. And you are doing yourself a "great Injustice" to yourself, especially GOD has Given you The Gift to know how to read. And have bless you with the Ability to hold a "Bible" in your hands.. The is a "GIFT"! from GOD.I said; this is what i believe. you may believe anything you want, I do not push my believeth on no one. I am nothing more than a "Witness" to what GOD has done for me concerning what is to come. "ETERNITY" is the purpose of GOD for my life. And I have a "Paraclete" given to me by "GOD". two "Advocate" in between.
And I do not need a man or women to stand on my behave. or give me instructions what i should have done. I have no regrets, What i have done, I have no regrets ,the good and the bad. in 1977, I said i will never do anything that i would have to say: "i knew i shouldn't have not done that" i will eliminate that phrase from my vocabulary. and i did. I have no regrets.
and this is why for me and many. I know nothing about others. but for me and My real "brothers and sisters" in Christ, This is "Indicative":
"And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, THEM HE ALSO GLORIFIED."
And I need no interpreter, I have a GOD and HE is "Our FATHER" not all , but "Our," And there is no other being like HIM. It is only One.
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PloughBoy
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Ok, senseless it is . Do you speak, in a "barbaric language"? are you a "true Child of GOD"? Does God and Jesus understand you Whether you talk or not? Is the "Advocate" The Paraclete live in you?
Now grade your own paper! Now! do you think somebody trying to confuse you
and to get you to walk in the Flesh? And trying to say The flesh is "Spirit" the voice box is "Spirit" and the tongue in your mouth is "spirit" and your lips are "Spirit"I am going to be straight with you, leave them along and go on to page two. And quit hanging around in "Vanity City". You keep hanging out there, in the next 20 years you will still be there.
you can add right. Who do you think trying to confuse you? One day you have to Rule and Reign with Christ.King James Bible
If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?
Reba1
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Who have you healed?
B-A-C
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I have seen people get up out of wheelchairs and walk. I have seen people with stage 4 terminal cancer completely healed.
I have seen a hand that was paralyzed for years start working again.
But I myself haven't healed anyone.
Reba1
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I do not doubt the Lord healing any one . Man does not do the healing God does. For me even the doctors heal at the hand of the Lord.