Have someone convince you, that GOD is so loving He will not send you to hell? Because it seems Like it is not important to you

[Br. Bear]

After this manner therefore pray ye:
Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:9-10

 

[th1bill]

Just a few question for your consideration, to help reconcile the above with other verses found in the Bible that make suggestions that ALL men will eventually be made alive in Christ.
When that day comes then hell, and death will truly be the last enemies to be placed under the feet of Jesus by the Father.

So the first question would be:

Where will all the tormented souls be when hell is no longer an enemy?

How does the Father continue to torture anyone as He has become all and IN ALL.? Does He then torture Himself?

Do we really understand the Revelation for he that reads and UNDERSTANDS the Revelation is blessed, not just the reader. Indeed the reader without understanding is left a fearful mess,
but the understanding reading is left with freedom for he comprehends the truth and love of God unto salvation of ALL. For God so loved the world that he sent Jesus...............
Who can be a believer except he who has received mercy from God? Thus He concluded ALL in unbelief so that He might have mercy on ALL.
Romans 11:32 NIV " For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have MERCY ON THEM ALL." Question is when?

Your above writing is during a time when the old law, old covenant still was in effect.
Let us consider that there is no other name by which a man must be saved other than Jesus. Let us also consider that there was no greater man born of a woman than John the Baptist according
to Jesus. But the least in the kingdom was greater than John. Thus both Abraham and John were not born again as they died prior to the instituting of the New Covenant.

Now to the good part.

1 Co 15:22 "For as in ADAM all DIE, even so in Christ SHALL all be made ALIVE." 23- But every man in his own order.....................

Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one (Adam), judgement came upon ALL MEN to CONDEMNATION (Gods judgement); even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus) the FREE GIFT
came upon ALL MEN to JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE (Gods judgement)."
Both the condemnation and the justification were decrees by the Father according to what Adam had done or Jesus did. Neither decree had anything to do with anyone other than those two
men, but the decrees affected every one ever born and Adam and Eve as well.

1 Co 15:25 "For He(Jesus) must reign until He (God) has put ALL ENEMIES under His (Jesus') feet.' 26- "The last enemy to be destroyed is death."

The only way to accomplish the destruction of death is that every man should be made alive unto God in Christ as stated above in 1 Co 15:22

You see the Revelation uses much spiritual language that seems to paint a pretty bleak picture for those not found in the Lambs book of life. But in reality when you consider carefully what has
been placed back in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone you will see the same thing that you see today within the world.
1- The beast. This is simply a government system that requires functional people to run it. And God will set that up.
2-False Prophet- False religion. Again people are required to propagate false religion, and not people in chains being burned forever.
3-Death- But as we read earlier in 23 death is an enemy that is reconciled and placed under Jesus' feet. Not to mention that if death is in hell then people will die so eternal torment is not possible.
4-The grave- if people die, and they will, then the grave is necessary for placement of the body, and again no eternal torment if in the grave and dead.
5-Satan is there and all his minion, but Why? It is to carry on the work of perfecting through suffering of the next group of elect. Possibly John the Baptist, David, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph etc...
as these and any who died prior to the establishment of the New Covenant could not attain to the kingdom as they were never BORN AGAIN, as the Holy Ghost was not given until after Jesus'
ascension.

It is simply a reassembling of the things that you now see in the world today so that another group can be made alive and enter into the kingdom through much tribulation.

There are many many lines upon lines and precepts upon precepts that are necessary to understand the Love of God, and how He could eventually bring All into life through Christ, but
1 Co 15:22-23 tells us that He intends to do just that. Otherwise the power of sin would be greater than the willing sacrifice of the Son, and Jesus died for ALL not just some.

1 Co 15:28 "Now when ALL things are made subject to Him (Jesus), then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him (God) who put ALL things under Him (Jesus), that God
may be ALL in ALL. God is Love. Therefore Love is in ALL and is ALL.

Maybe this will help the understanding of the "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In the beginning God had a project, a plan, the plan was
with Him and Him only, and the plan was to reproduce Himself through life giving spirits that are the express image of himself the Bible calls either the Son or sons.
It is a propagation of Love. We who came out from God as ALL the spirits of men come from within Him are schooled in good and evil as a necessary part of becoming what the Father is
Gen 3:22..........man is become as one of us, knowing good and evil................. By design.
Thus tribulation whether you call it the lake of fire or hell is a necessary place for ALL to dwell while being conformed to the image of the first spiritually begotten Son of God.
Without sin there is no forgiveness, without forgiveness there is no becoming more like your Father which is in heaven. Everything that has ever been done on earth will one day be revealed
as Gods love to bring forth children that are just like Jesus, the first finished product of His plan(word). As He (God) calls Jesus God after his resurrection. But prior to resurrection God
tells us many times there is no other God.

Heb 5:8 "Though He were a Son learned He obedience by the things He suffered; and being MADE PERFECT He became the author of eternal salvation to all them that obey Him."

Romans 8:28 "And we know that ALL things work together for the good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose."

Ephesians 1:10-11 "That in the dispensation of the fullness of TIME(S) He might gather together in ONE ALL things in Christ (through Jesus) both which are in heaven, and on the earth;
even in Him. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance being predestinated according to the purpose of Him (God) who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of His own will."

The Potter molds the clay to either be a vessel to destruction or a vessel of mercy. He also has the ability to remake the vessel according to His will and purpose. We are all examples
of what used to be vessels unto destruction, but what are we now? And is any of it because of our own doing?

Samson2020, you do not document your statements and some are so contrary to the Scriptures of Yashua, as recorded by scribes of His choosing. I would engage you if you but you have so many open ended assertions.

 

[Samson2020]

Samson2020, you do not document your statements and some are so contrary to the Scriptures of Yashua, as recorded by scribes of His choosing. I would engage you if you but you have so many open ended assertions.

Pick one. And we shall discuss???

 

[Garee]

No it is in "Anthropomorphic" words and terms> Now in common christians terms for the "layman" at large> So that the common man may understand "universally"; definition is below. Simple terms that even a child could understand, "The Simplicity of Christ" That cannot be "reputed".

What kind of child one that rightly divides the parables ? The simplicity of the parables that hide the unseen gospel understanding teach us how to walk by faith the unseen things of God . without parables he spoke not . . . . . Why?

 

[PloughBoy]

Pick one. And we shall discuss???

Samson2020, Hey brother; I am not into or specialize in "biblical Apologetics" or "Christian Apologetics" but I know one, and he is heavy. i have paid attention to hIM for over 20 years and "Christian Apologetics' i have found no match. check out his Credentials 1st. "Dr. James White" Wikipedia. and then watch this video. I stay in my field. i understands every thing he talks about, But, He reads and study his bible in Greek , he is a professor in Greek and biblical history he will walk you through it. I ain't no teacher I am witness. He is a professor. And he ain't no dime store CowBoy. And you are not going to meet him at "High Noon" He has a 10 gallon Black hat and a pair Pearl handle Colts. And he shoots straight and he don't miss.

 

[Samson2020]

Didn't do much of anything for me. Talked a lot but substance was that of adding to the word to change the word according to what he wanted it to mean/say. Wouldn't give him a second look honestly, as he added nothing to me.

Samson2020, Hey brother; I am not into or specialize in "biblical Apologetics" or "Christian Apologetics" but I know one, and he is heavy. i have paid attention to hIM for over 20 years and "Christian Apologetics' i have found no match. check out his Credentials 1st. "Dr. James White" Wikipedia. and then watch this video. I stay in my field. i understands every thing he talks about, But, He reads and study his bible in Greek , he is a professor in Greek and biblical history he will walk you through it. I ain't no teacher I am witness. He is a professor. And he ain't no dime store CowBoy. And you are not going to meet him at "High Noon" He has a 10 gallon Black hat and a pair Pearl handle Colts. And he shoots straight and he don't miss.

That guy would make a great democrat. Accuses you for what he's doing, inserting to make it say what he wants it to say in order to win an argument. However; he added absolutely
nothing to me. I would add that in praying for ALL men we are doing the will of God in that God wishes ALL men to come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved, so I find nothing
that prevents me from praying for ALL men. Jesus died for ALL, so the least I can do is pray for ALL.
The insertion of the word kind, as in ALL KINDS of men, only clouds the issue. The status of a man is irrelevant as far as God is concerned for He has raised all men into the position they have.
Thus He regards no man according to his worldly status.

 

[PloughBoy]

Like i said to hundreds of people since i have been "Born of GOD' i am no christian, I have done many of lectures and Sermons and a "Witiness" what JESUS has done to me. I have read the Whole Bible in many sitting at times, So many times i cannot count or remember the numbers, because i like it that way...I am not into verses because they are nothing but a sentence and cannot tell "The SALVATION Story". I am not a "Christian" neither do i claim to be one. But I am, A "Child of The LIVING GOD"But Since the late 70's Christians have called me a "calvinist' when i didn't even know what a "calvinist" was or even heard of the name "John Calvin". So in the early 1980's i figure I would read about this man. Who he was , where he was born, who was his daddy, his mother, the town he live in, How old was he when he went to university and what school he went too, and get acquainted with his character. I have never sought the teaching of any man or woman or denominations. And The "PRESBYTERY" told me when i got saved and filled with The "HOLY GHOST" of GOD from day one. And Preach JESUS! I was not in a church, i was not witness too, I said no prayer, I just talked to HIM. and I did not know what it was, but I saw "JESUS" in Living COLOR and HE Call me by my Name! i stayed away from a church for over a week and went to see my Mother and told her I AM ON FIRE! And when I read the Bible the WORD of GOD , I already knew it and I have never read it. And how can i know the Words written in The Bible and Have never read it. And she called the presbytery and they told her for me to come to the "parsonage" and i went. And when i got there. They said speak. I start talking so hard and I set them on Fire, they told me i had to stop and breathe, only thing i could hear them saying, with wide eye, that turn blood shot red ; Oh' my GOD, O'h my GOD, O'h my GOD. They kept saying it. And I could not stop speaking! Calling out things in The Bible i have never read.

What kind of GOD is this, I like Him, I like Him.

Then they told me that they cannot teach me anything, GOD will, teach me, and No man can teach me any thing, And Sunday morning Services could not do me any good. And they told me what kind of Bible to get And Read it and GOD would do the rest, And I would not be going to services on Sundays mornings for it was useless for a man like me. But Tuesdays would be my Sundays in close sessions among "Theologians" And PASTORS only lock DOORS. I thought those "Pastors" was crazy. I am getting out of here, Crazy church folks. some cult. They Said; you will see, go ahead they said: For ' GOD HAS HIS HAND ON YOU! You had a "Miraculous" Conversion>
You different. Go on, you do not have to believe us. You will see. and still today, I do not trust no man, no denomination, no pastors, no professors, no biblical teachers, And I do not belong to anybody's church. But I know I belong to GOD and I am not A-shame to say so. You may call it "pride" you can call it ignorance or plain dumb and foolish i do not care. You can serve Him "The WAY"you want to, i do not care, for you have your relationship with Him and so do I. I have six kids and each relationship i have with them is different, but they are my children and i love them.

And i am not into "Biblical Apologetics" or "Christian Apologetics" or into "Religious Studies" for they are not my field of Studies". My Field of Study is "Theo" "Logy". So that is why i had you to look at a video of a person who is a "Professor" and one of his specialty is "Christian Apologetics". I am not into that stuff. But since you are, you can engage with him. I do not need that stuff. Because at the end of the DAY. "GOD has Got the last WORD". Yes I identify and agree with a lot of things he saids. But I am not into "institutionalizations" and I will not be a member. I have nothing against them. And Again; I am not into "Christian Apologetics" or "politics". or "Biblical Apologetics".

For GOD is The "ALPHA & OMEGA" and he does not need anybody. And he is not going to loose any sleep whether we die or live. He is "Immutable" You can go to HELL or Heaven He is "IMMUTABLE" He was here when "Here" wasn't Here! So to all who specializes and want to address "Apologetics" and Religion Studies" have a nice day. For i am not a "Biblical Instructor" and GOD did not call me to be a "professor" either. But i know he called me to be a "Witness" what He has done to me, for I have seen Him with my own eyes. And i cannot deny it, and that He is "The Son of The LIVING GOD" and HE called me by My NAME! And I became a Brand New Creature, Born of GOD and The old creature that came out of my Mothers womb die a real DEATH! and do not exists any more. and no "finite creature" with A finite mind has the ability to comprehend that. And it is useless to even try to do so, it is "Incomprehensible" to The mortal man. For this too has been "ordain by GOD" And I am snapping my fingers and patting my feet! and shaking my head.

I like this "GOD", i like HIM>
(Psalms 4)KJV
"There are many who say,
“Who will show us any good?”
Lord, lift up the light of Your countenance upon us.
You have put gladness in my [our] hearts,
More than in the season that their grain and wine increased.
I will both lie down in peace, and sleep;
For You alone, O Lord, make me dwell in safety."

Note; For we are few in numbers, A remnant According to GRACE. and How sweet it is Chosen by GOD.

 

[Samson2020]

I guess if he's a professor of Christian Apologetics, I'm not into that either. I, like you, have no home among the organized denominations, can only speak very little and out you go on a rail,
tarred and feathered, and asked to never return.
Kinda strange in hind sight that one place in particular threw me out twice, and subsequently shut down twice. Only reason I went back the second time was because He sent me.
Pentecostal facility. Gotta defend those statements of faith unto the death.
Problem with that is you leave yourself stuck in one spot and never progress into a more mature son, worthy of spiritual food that requires teeth.
Guess old Satan has had many a century head start on the religions of the world, especially False Christianity. Amazing what people believe. And what they are unwilling to even discuss.

 

[Gregoryp]

Isolation is the key these days to spiritual growth. Jesus does say to come out of her the ***** of babylon, which I percieve is the organised religions and the world. What does God mean when He says, “Come out of her” in Revelation 18:4? | GotQuestions.org

 

[PloughBoy]

I guess if he's a professor of Christian Apologetics, I'm not into that either. I, like you, have no home among the organized denominations, can only speak very little and out you go on a rail,
tarred and feathered, and asked to never return.
Kinda strange in hind sight that one place in particular threw me out twice, and subsequently shut down twice. Only reason I went back the second time was because He sent me.
Pentecostal facility. Gotta defend those statements of faith unto the death.
Problem with that is you leave yourself stuck in one spot and never progress into a more mature son, worthy of spiritual food that requires teeth.
Guess old Satan has had many a century head start on the religions of the world, especially False Christianity. Amazing what people believe. And what they are unwilling to even discuss.

I will repeat this again. I am not into "Christian Apologetics" of "biblical Apologetics" or into "Religious Studies" neither am I a Professor on A University Level or have the accredited credentials to do so. Either in Greek, Hebrew, And I sure i'm not a "Biblical teacher". I would be a fool to address such matters. I am not qualified to even address such matters. I am not that learned. I know me. And I'm sure not qualified for the field of "Textual Criticism". I cannot even make judge . I cannot even apply for such a job to do so. I cannot not even judge such men in these matters. Half the stuff they know, i cannot spell it or pronounce it. Let alone know what it means. But i do have common sense and know truth is when i hear it. Measured by what GOD has Given me.

That is what we call a "Gift" from GOD our Father.

So i am not confused and walking around, wondering what GOD want me to do or what his will is for my life. and wondering who he is going to save. I go to bed at night and try my best to keep life and mind clean . And Content. I have food to eat and roof on my head today. And most of the world don't. And that makes me shake sometimes. Many of Christians through out this world are sick, raped, killed, in slavery, cold, hungry, starving, and do not even have a home. But only a tent and some do not even have that. "Children of GOD" Born of His Spirit and wash in His Blood. Suffering and I am going to be arguing about "Apologetics" and religion, i think not about those things when i lay down at night.

Everyone has there own mission. What ever it maybe. Do it well, or do it not well. for today we drink and tomorrow our bodies or we die. Some of us have "hope' And many have what "Pilgrim" calls "vain-faith".

 

[Gregoryp]

One day a man named Truth and a man named Lie stood by a river just outside of town. They were twin brothers. Lie challenged Truth to a race, claiming he could swim across the river faster than Truth. Lie laid out the rules to the challenge stating that they both must remove all their clothes and at the count of 3, dive in to the freezing cold water swim to the other side and back. Lie counted to 3, but when Truth jumped in, Lie did not. As Truth swam across the river, Lie put on Truth’s clothes and walked back in to town dressed as Truth. He proudly paraded around town pretending to be Truth. Truth made it back to shore, but his clothes were gone and he was left naked with only Lie’s clothes to wear. Refusing to dress himself as Lie, Truth walked back to town naked. People stared and glared as naked Truth walked through town. He tried to explain what happened and that he was in fact Truth, but because he was naked and uncomfortable to look at, people mocked and shunned him; refusing to believe he was really Truth. The people in town chose to believe Lie because he was dressed appropriately and easier to look at. From that day until this, people have come to believe a well-dressed lie rather than believe a naked truth.

 

[PloughBoy]

One day a man named Truth and a man named Lie stood by a river just outside of town. They were twin brothers. Lie challenged Truth to a race, claiming he could swim across the river faster than Truth. Lie laid out the rules to the challenge stating that they both must remove all their clothes and at the count of 3, dive in to the freezing cold water swim to the other side and back. Lie counted to 3, but when Truth jumped in, Lie did not. As Truth swam across the river, Lie put on Truth’s clothes and walked back in to town dressed as Truth. He proudly paraded around town pretending to be Truth. Truth made it back to shore, but his clothes were gone and he was left naked with only Lie’s clothes to wear. Refusing to dress himself as Lie, Truth walked back to town naked. People stared and glared as naked Truth walked through town. He tried to explain what happened and that he was in fact Truth, but because he was naked and uncomfortable to look at, people mocked and shunned him; refusing to believe he was really Truth. The people in town chose to believe Lie because he was dressed appropriately and easier to look at. From that day until this, people have come to believe a well-dressed lie rather than believe a naked truth.

 

[Garee]

I am not into verses because they are nothing but a sentence and cannot tell "The SALVATION Story".

That's interesting the word of God cannot tell the story of salvation but your fleshly mind and experience can? Are you having out of the body experiences?

Colossians 2: 18 Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas.

 

[Samson2020]

Isolation is the key these days to spiritual growth. Jesus does say to come out of her the ***** of babylon, which I percieve is the organised religions and the world. What does God mean when He says, “Come out of her” in Revelation 18:4? | GotQuestions.org

You would be absolutely correct. She is also an issue to overcome in the way that she teaches the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, and the deeds of the Nicolaitans is a thing that the Lord hates.
Rev 2:6. Once one overcomes these deeds, doctrines there is a reward and that reward is to eat from the tree of life, which according to Gen 3:22 brings everlasting life, as you already have the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Dave M]

Isolation is the key these days to spiritual growth

I have to strongly disagree with you on this one, will all due respect

I never new how much isolation hurt my growth as a Follower of Christ,, until I became part of a ministry.

We are much stronger when we are united, not isolated IMO.

 

[Garee]

I have to strongly disagree with you on this one, will all due respect

I never new how much isolation hurt my growth as a Follower of Christ,, until I became part of a ministry.

We are much stronger when we are united, not isolated IMO.

Yes much stronger but not a infallible interpreters that stand between eternal God not seen and temporal mankind seen as a umpire.

 

[th1bill]

Pick one. And we shall discuss???

All of them, I am held to that standard, in Church Services and out. We do not live by Random words but rather we live by The Word of YHWH and none other if we belong to The Heavenly Father, YHWH, Yashuah ha'Mashiach, His Son, and Ruah ha'Qodesh, His Holy Spirit and failing to do so renders serious doubt of our Final Home Port.

 

[Samson2020]

You decide where to start please.