autism & the mark of the beast

[Reba1]

The Book of the Revelation is the Revelation of Christ

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
It also speaks of the seal of God. Who is greater a beast or our Lord God?

 

[Hekuran]

so y does the bible say that u will c it, u will know what it is & u willingly choose 2 take it the mark)...that's what i don't understand...it then says the deceieved part u'd mentioned & i posted, so what is it???

The book of the revelation was a vision given at the end of the first century to a Christian community that was enduring persecution. The overall story shows that the lamb that was slain is victorious over all the powers of death and evil.

The message is that Christians should persevere for the sake of inheriting the kingdom. Even though they were persecuted and killed, they are on the winning side.

I think the Beast in revelation is a coded way of talking about the powers of the Roman emperors. They demanded homage at the Roman temples, and life was made difficult for Christians because they refused.

When a person burned incense at the Roman temples, they were given a certificate. A Christian could get this certificate only by denying their faith.

There are still beastly powers and rulers around today. We must stay faithful to Jesus.

 

[blueyed1]

The book of the revelation was a vision given at the end of the first century to a Christian community that was enduring persecution. The overall story shows that the lamb that was slain is victorious over all the powers of death and evil.

The message is that Christians should persevere for the sake of inheriting the kingdom. Even though they were persecuted and killed, they are on the winning side.

I think the Beast in revelation is a coded way of talking about the powers of the Roman emperors. They demanded homage at the Roman temples, and life was made difficult for Christians because they refused.

When a person burned incense at the Roman temples, they were given a certificate. A Christian could get this certificate only by denying their faith.

There are still beastly powers and rulers around today. We must stay faithful to Jesus.

so does it say anything abt y the change 2 deceievement, cuz isn't it kind of a similiar situation???

 

[Mayflower]

The book of the revelation was a vision given at the end of the first century to a Christian community that was enduring persecution. The overall story shows that the lamb that was slain is victorious over all the powers of death and evil.

The message is that Christians should persevere for the sake of inheriting the kingdom. Even though they were persecuted and killed, they are on the winning side.

I think the Beast in revelation is a coded way of talking about the powers of the Roman emperors. They demanded homage at the Roman temples, and life was made difficult for Christians because they refused.

When a person burned incense at the Roman temples, they were given a certificate. A Christian could get this certificate only by denying their faith.

There are still beastly powers and rulers around today. We must stay faithful to Jesus.

That is interesting. I didn't know this about Roman temples. Wasn't this vision for end times though? Or do you think it will be that way again?

 

[Hekuran]

In Revelation 13 there are two beasts. The second beast deceives the inhabitants of the earth to worship the image of the first.

 

[Hekuran]

That is interesting. I didn't kno7w this about Roman temples. Wasn't this vision for end times though? Or do you think it will be that way again?

I think it's talking specifically about the roman situation that the first readers were facing.

All through history the saints have been opposed by beastly powers that demand honour above God. So the Book of Revelation is also for every generation that has to endure through persecution.

 

[Mayflower]

I think it's talking specifically about the roman situation that the first readers were facing.

All through history the saints have been opposed by beastly powers that demand honour above God. So the Book of Revelation is also for every generation that has to endure through persecution.

Food for thought. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[blueyed1]

i realize that i 4 got 2 say something abt the bible, yes, it's hard 4 me 2 understand, but i did read it daily & i had 2 reread it numerous times, but that's how i learned the little that i did from it...initially, cuz there's 2 much wiring in my brain, it can take me minutes, days, months or even yrs 2 understand things (i'm speaking in general)...anyway, this was since i was 1st baptized, until this event took place 2 yrs ago...i admit, that i have pretty much stopped since, i did try a few times, but then the stress of it would overwhelm me, but i'm gonna try again today...like i said, i did fully believe in god & in r lord & 1 & only savior who died on the cross 4 r sins & i still do...as 2 y my autism effects me this way, i have no idea, but it does...also, re: my comment on the mentally challenged, asd & similiar disorders & the age of accountability - i just meant that god can speak 2 each individual in a way that they can understand, cuz i've read stories of people ( kids & adults) w' autism who can't talk or understand much, will suddenly say something in reference 2 jesus or heaven...4 example, they may see a white feather(which represents hope, peace, calmness, protection or an answer 2 @ prayer) & say something like, 'an angel was here, or c an animal of some kind & say that god created that'...i mean how would they even know if god hadn't been able 2 reach through them???anyway, since then, i've repented daily & w'in the last 2 mnths or so, i'd felt the spirit once ( this being the 1st time since i'd left my church over a decade ago)it lasted 4 a longer time & w' grtr intensity, i've had 5 angel visits (as an aspie, i'm closer 2 the spirit world & i can vaguely c outlines of human shaped forms (both good & evil) w' shadows of gray 2 dark black...so far, the dark black was evil & the lighter shades were good...i've also been touched by them - a tingling in my mid 2 upper stomach & a feeling that i was being lifted from the good & a knfe against my throat (the next day having a mark in that very same area) & my covers pulled off me & a hand of flesh from the evil 1...also, the good ones - which i've had visits from 4-5 times w' in the last 2 mnths- would leave behind a small white feather ( thou i found 2 w'in 5 minutes after asking god 2 ?'s)...this is impt, cuz the color of feather determines what the angel (or messenger may b trying 2 tell u...anyway, the color white means hope, peace, protection & an answer 2 a prayer -- so maybe this really might b an answer...i also recently had a fluorescent bulb burn out in one of the rooms in my apt & i had 2 get maintaince 2 change the bulb since the apt pays 4 those...anyway, as it's natural 2 do, each time i walked into that room, i'd flip the light switch, but of course this didn't work...abt 7 days had passed & maintance never showed up, but on the 8th day, i flipped the switch & it turned on (it's still on)...now, i didn't do anything & maintaince never even showed up, & so i believe that 2 b another time that a spirit was trying 2 contact me...i also heard a voice saying that i will be saved & even had goose bumps on my arms, but i don't know if it was god's voice or mine...the pt is, is that i know god is still w' me as he has also helped me just last yr when i as diagnosed w" insufficient vein disease & had 2 travel 4 5 hrs 2 get 2 a vein clinic as the one in my town had shut down as there wasn't enuff business...anyway, not only did i have 2 have 2 leg ablations (1 on my whole leg & the other on my calf), but i had/have lymphodema well...so, i had 2 procedures done - 1 day after the other & then a mnth ltr, on my last check up, i had a small blood clot caused by the procedure...cuz of god, i felt no pain whatsoever during the ablation (they cauterize ur veins which in turn stops them from getting worse & hopefully stopping them from getting bad again...as 4 the clot, i had no idea i even had one as it was only detectable thru an ultrasound...it only lasted 4 7 weeks...there have been a few other times as well, so all this has 2 mean something, rite???anyway, i'm just trying 2 show u that he is in my life still & that maybe there is still hope???

 

[Hekuran]

Of course there's hope! There's the promise of God - Jesus has conquered death, overcame evil and has welcomed us into God's kingdom.

 

[blueyed1]

just 2 b clear (i apologize 4 any repetition, but that's how i process things) u'r say ing that there's still a chance 4 me 2 b able 2 keep my salvation, cuz of the fact that i'm still having these experiences???ialso, like said, i have repented daily of this 4 2 yrs, & i know that 2 repent, u need 2 change ur way of life...well, if this is the mark (or will b) it'd b hard 2 repent from that in a way, cuz it's not like u can easily remove these parts, esp the one in the brain...however, based on u putting up scriptures 2 prove ur points & w' some of the stuff i've read online, i've finally seen a way that i can repent & actually change from the past -- not only is it 2 rtn 2 daily bible reading, but 2 also look up words i don't know, or in strong's or something 2 try & fully get the meaning...however, when it comes 2 symbolism & such, that may still b hard as there r so many interpretations of certain subjects, or how 2 read it...however, like i said, most of these current bibles have been altered, so is their a specific bible u'd recommend...i've read many & chose the esv since it's supposed 2 be the closest 2 the original, but i've just learned that it 2 is altered, so i have 2 find another one, even if it's more difficult 4 me...so thnx, u all have helped me 4 sure in this respect, cuz i honestly didn't know how or what i could/should change 2 show full repentance

 

[Hekuran]

I am sure you are saved. Keep following Jesus.

No English translation of the Bible can be perfect because there often is not an English word that perfectly matches the Greek or Hebrew word. The ESV is as accurate as can be. If you are getting on well with it, then there's no need to change. There are a few verses in the Bible where the ancient manuscripts vary. Usually in modern Bibles there's a footnote that says something like "*some ancient manuscripts say..."

To be a child of God you don't have to understand everything -- you just need to know who your heavenly father is.

 

[blueyed1]

there's 1 more thing re this that i'd like ur opinions on --- i can't remember the exact verse, but it basically says that those who take the mark go 2 the lake of fire & brimstone cuz they don't repent when the (i can't remember the # of) sores came upon them, but i have repented from the beginning...that's another reason i'm confused,,,

 

[blueyed1]

I am sure you are saved. Keep following Jesus.

No English translation of the Bible can be perfect because there often is not an English word that perfectly matches the Greek or Hebrew word. The ESV is as accurate as can be. If you are getting on well with it, then there's no need to change. There are a few verses in the Bible where the ancient manuscripts vary. Usually in modern Bibles there's a footnote that says something like "*some ancient manuscripts say..."

To be a child of God you don't have to understand everything -- you just need to know who your heavenly father is.

so this means even if i did take the mark???

 

[Hekuran]

so this means even if i did take the mark???

Yes, even if you took the Mark there's a path to restoration. Remember that Peter who had been with jesus night and day for three years denied him, even with curses - and he was restored.

Having said that, I don't believe you've taken the Mark.

Time for me to sleep. Blessings.

 

[blueyed1]

Yes, even if you took the Mark there's a path to restoration. Remember that Peter who had been with jesus night and day for three years denied him, even with curses - and he was restored.

Having said that, I don't believe you've taken the Mark.

Time for me to sleep. Blessings.

thnx

 

[Reba1]

That is interesting. I didn't know this about Roman temples. Wasn't this vision for end times though? Or do you think it will be that way again?

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

look up the word/phrases shortly and at hand

 

[blueyed1]

thnx

what is the path 2 restoration???

 

[B-A-C]

look up the word/phrases shortly and at hand

Rev 3:11; I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

Jesus He was coming "quickly" 2,000 years ago. But He didn't come in 70ad.
Words like soon, quickly and shortly are relative.

2Pet 3:8; But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

An old joke says 1 day is like a 1,000 years to God and 1 penny is like a million dollars to God.
Man : God can I have a penny?
God: tomorrow.

 

[Reba1]

Rev 3:11; I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

Jesus He was coming "quickly" 2,000 years ago. But He didn't come in 70ad.
Words like soon, quickly and shortly are relative.

2Pet 3:8; But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

An old joke says 1 day is like a 1,000 years to God and 1 penny is like a million dollars to God.
Man : God can I have a penny?
God: tomorrow.

In reading your post i see you do not believe what Jesus says, rather you believe your theology.

 

[blueyed1]

In reading your post i see you do not believe what Jesus says, rather you believe your theology.

huh???i have no idea what ur saying...also, i do believe in jesus- @ lst of what i can understand of him...i also want 2 pt out @ this time is that when i say the bible has been altered, what i mean that i know that the bible is god's word & it was eventually written in a book...however, the book itself has been altered by man which added on or took away from the bible itself...that does not mean that god's word has changed, just the book it was written in...i don't know if this is true but i read that the pope (i don't know who) had held back the true gospel & the books were actually chosen by a commitee in the roman catholic church...it makes sense, since some bibles have 66 books, others more or less...take the book of enoch 4 example - as r bible says u can't add or take away, but it's the book of enoch that talks abt this mark deal & how it came abt -- in the days of noah...this is where the transhumanism or dna change comes into play (i apologize if that's a repeat)...but once again, i do believe in r lord & only savior of humanity - jesus christ