The right thing to do......???
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Waggles
Loyal
Yes I am torn between the wisdom of Paul about not getting entangled in the affairs of this world versus my great dismay and concern for these moral issues that are destroying so many lives.
I guess I know with confidence what I would do and not do. And what I will publicly state for others to hear.
Years ago when I was young and into free love, I lost a very close female friend because I opposed abortion and defended the right to life. She never came back to my house again.
I did miss seeing her, but I have no regrets on expressing my values about life. (Actually I have lost many worldly friends over the years by upholding Christian values) Oh well so be it.
In the end we cannot save the world nor does God expect us to. We are commanded to preach the gospel and to live exemplary lives so that individuals can be rescued and saved from the world.
The wicked will do what the wicked want to do - it is the end times and there is no longer any moral restraint on worldly societies.
Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
Politics will not bring about salvation only preaching the gospel and being the light in a very dark world.
well said, Dave
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you should be ashamed of yourself for posting such, @Waggles
worldly thinking, worldly talk
7 day reply ban
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Bless you ....><>
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Hekuran
Faithful Brother in Christ
@Waggles is correct to say that the anti vaxxers are contributing to the spread of covid and to unnecessary death. All the available evidence points to that.
There has been quite a number of lurid, divisive and unsubstantiated claims against the covid vaccines on this this site, and no sanctions on the people who post them.
If this means that I too am due a ban on posting, so be it.
Greetings,
I realise you are pro vaccine etc, Brother. But sadly, for a long time now, the lie of blaming non conformists for the ills of the world has been used to stir the masses against the minority or the enemy, etc You know that. [this goes way beyond or pre-2021 pickle we find ourselves amidst]
From what i recall, the virus spread all over the place before anyone had a jab. It did not need anyone to blame. Neither do i.
As you are also aware, members posting things that are "lurid, divisive and unsubstantiated" has been going on for years, here.
Would you like my 'job'?
Bless you ....><>
I realise you are pro vaccine etc, Brother. But sadly, for a long time now, the lie of blaming non conformists for the ills of the world has been used to stir the masses against the minority or the enemy, etc You know that. [this goes way beyond or pre-2021 pickle we find ourselves amidst]
From what i recall, the virus spread all over the place before anyone had a jab. It did not need anyone to blame. Neither do i.
As you are also aware, members posting things that are "lurid, divisive and unsubstantiated" has been going on for years, here.
Would you like my 'job'?
Bless you ....><>
Greetings dear brothers and sisters
It has been mandates that all health professionals and workers are to have had their first vaccine by 1st November.
No jab, no job.
It feels like being squeezed into a corner with no choice especially with a family to provide for.
It has been mandates that all health professionals and workers are to have had their first vaccine by 1st November.
No jab, no job.
It feels like being squeezed into a corner with no choice especially with a family to provide for.
Hekuran
Faithful Brother in Christ
Find the data that is as close as possible to the original source. In the UK, the bodies responsible for collecting and collating data are the National Health Service and the Office for National Statistics. Both work hard to provide the best possible data for informing good decisions about the health of the nation.
In the UK, opinions about the disease are not greatly politicised, and that makes it easier. Everybody agrees what the problem is and the scale of it. While there are differences in opinion on how to respond, they are not sharply defined along political lines as appears to the be case in the US.
When you read a story in the press or from a politician, keep an eye out for the source of the information and google your way directly to the information. Both will present information in a way that suits their agenda, but will avoid outright untruths. When you check the source, you can filter out that bias.
Worldwide, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ gathers information from every country.
Greetings,
(long post)
I know people who do not, and have good reason for not, wearing seat belts.
I also know that in the eighties, i was cleaned up twice... one after getting smacked by a freight train and another after bending my hemi like a banana around a power pole... and both times, i only survived because i was not wearing a seat belt. Mandatory does not save lives nor can it guarantee health.
I have known people [me included] to survive motor bike accidents that by ll rights should not have and at the same time known others to die after a very simple fall. There are not many definites. There are a lot of crazy scenarios and we do not do well to try to use such variable outcomes for presenting a hard case for rules and laws.
History is riddled with rules and laws that have proven very unwise and very harmful.
When talking about the current situation of governments mandating vaccines, we need to keep our eyes open, both to history and to the present and then to the future.
One government might be something that we might take up some form of obedience to the government 'doctrine'. But what we se today is most, if not all, governments pushing something that is still in trial stage with no idea whatsoever of the outcome for the society of the world, not simply one nation. That should be enough to make one stop and consider. Then we have governments mandating with the threat of job loss which translates to it being no longer about one's health. In other words, people are being threatened that if they do not allow themselves to be jabbed, they will lose their jobs and be left without an income. Those who weigh it up are deciding for money reasons, not for health reasons. Since when does taking a vaccine come down to doing so for any reason besides for health reasons? Another reason to consider.
Regardless of anyone's 'doctrine', history is full of psychopaths who are driven by power and gain. In fact, many wars are and have been fought for that purpose. Apparently there is a virus that is deadly to mankind but somewhere the people have become the enemies, not the virus.
Can someone tell me when the virus will go away?
Will it die off or will it mutate and continue with 'stronger' strains, as virus's do? So, once everyone have been forced to be given a jab, will the virus surrender and go away?
So, is forcing folks and penalizing them the answer?
Is that a real righteous act that we would be happy to include in our methods of evangelism?
Sounds like some sort of dark ages persecution, does it not?
There is a huge amount of financial gain for few with global vaccines being marketed.. huge and with that, there is a lot of political sway and push and interest in the whole game. It is not really totally about health and anyone staying virus free. Even people on these forums can vouch for the inability of vaccine to keep the virus away... and we are a tiny percentage of the world population.
We can bury our heads as much as we can make lots of stupid noise.
What is the Christian thing to do?
Some suggest to love your neighbor and so get jabbed. Weak, if not completely mis-informed, argument. To love your neighbor would be to make sure that whatever you are doing for you that you have put your neighbor ahead of you and are willing to 'risk' dying, if needs be, while allowing everyone else to get the 'miracle' jab before you get in line for it. And then to offer and supply any needs for any 'neighbors' who are sick and dying, etc... and look after the widows and fatherless of the folk who have died, whether they have been jabbed or not.
Does loving thy neighbor extend to offering food and accommodation to those who have lost their jobs and have family to shelter and feed?
Sometimes in history rebels have been depicted with a definite one-sided view. For example, a government engages in hostilities for increase of investment gain and local folk fight back or at least resist. So the locals are cut down and labelled as rebels. Somehow doesn't add up right, does it? But history explains clearly that it happens.
So, if people today can sniff something 'historical' in the air, and are cautious about 'going along with the masses', should they be seen as rebels?
Jesus and His men were not at all popular when it came to being different. Same as the Prophets before them. And many many since.
Sure, there have been plenty of crackpots, and psycho's, and a lot of bloodshed and suffering at the hands of deranged men who had some 'revelation' or were selling snake oil, etc.
Sure, there have been many unnecessary deaths, due to ignorance and outright bad advice... but let us remember that that is on both sides of the fence.
For years, people have happily traveled the world and had no problem complying to the laws requiring vaccinations, before entering some countries. But there is something different about the 2021 push for vaccinating everyone, regardless of anything at all... all while still collecting data as it is 'rolled out'. We appear to have some free choice... which brand of vaccine would you like, sir? Some countries don't have it so good. But....
I can't help but think about how we 'live' today and how far removed our lifestyle is from 'back in the days' when the earth was first formed.
Listen up for a minute...
on another thread discussion is being had regarding climate change. Hmmm.
Most folk know that the world [planet earth] is messed up and we have endangered species of both animals, insects etc and plants. We also know that big companies have had a lot to do with some of that. We also know that sick heads with guns etc have over-hunted animals and still do, guns or not. (i was reading recently of the dangers of being a bird conservationist in some parts of the planet... and that is toady, 2021)
Does anyone know that fast foods are bad for you? That countries that consume junk food tend to need hospitals to cater for gluttons and stupids?
Have you been to the shops lately and tried to find fresh food that has not been grown in some distant land, that is free from chemicals, that has not been genetically modified, that has been sourced ethically, without child labor and destruction or theft of lands and water that the locals need to continue living their lives - with limited choice... shut up and get 'civilized' move into towns and cities... shut up, you are too small to stop us... and so it goes on and on.... and that is not including some 'controversial' topics such as oil, gas and uranium..... bad enough mining material for electric components, but again.... this is today....
and should we not be at least a little bothered?
Do any of you reading this have children or grandchildren? [little ones, that is] Nice world we are leaving them, do you think.... nice Christians... so caring and thoughtful.
So, we come here to discuss the pro's and con's of being jabbed with some experimental stuff and to do so from a Bible based and Jesus approved stand.
It is very difficult for some folk to decide what is best. Sciences reveal concerns, for and against.
Threats and blame are not the way to go. Neither are far fetched conspiracy theories or nonsense about seat belts.
When i ask the question, "what would Jesus do?", i do not hear any support for mass produced and mass pushed [compulsory] jabs. I can't see Jesus supporting the pharma companies nor the politicians/leaders, especially those with interest in the said companies.
Someone said something about 'in less developed countries miracles almost have to happen because they don't have modern 'medicine and treatment' ' but i can't find anywhere that suggests that those modern evolving sciences/practices are suitable replacements for miracle healings, in any country. Can people use 'things' for helping others? Yes. Can some herbs etc still be used for helping sick people? Yes. Modern 'medicine' is, for the most part, simply making the most of discoveries from 'nature' even if they tend to mass produce the ingredients artificially, so perhaps modern medicine is not all bad, after all. Another thousand years and they might get it right, but for now, it seems that a lot of it, is to cater for the modern 'lifestyle' including hospitals and ambulances for nuts like me who have vehicle collisions.
Should we all wear helmets when cruising on two wheels? Might help. But where do we define between laws and free choice? As i age a little i see that if someone is stupid enough to go to a dangerous place, they take the risk and it shouldn't be on anyone else. We molly coddle .. we use fluffy cushions so we can 'get away' with stupidity... and then if we dare to go a little deeper....
Much has transformed over the last century. I think most would agree at an accelerating rate. We have come so far as to even make laws that children have the right to choose what to identify with, regardless of natural gender. We see businesses slammed for refusing to comply with same-sex desires of the minority.
We have an over abundance of 'hollywood' rot. And we don't even have to go 'into the world to see it all..... we can go to 'church' and even be told the virtues of complying with the laws and 'loving your neighbor' and embracing the celebration of things that Biblically are abominations.
Here, on threads like this one, we can even get into arguments about the pro's and con's of being jabbed.
What's going on?
Should we be allowed to question some of this?
Is any of this 'anti-christ'? Not directly. But how much of what i have written about could be seen as at least a little anti-God's plan and anti-righteousness?
I'd like to hear some do-goodie evangelist tell me in one sentence, "Go into the world and preach the good news, healing and casting out devils/spirits and make sure you insist that everyone you talk to understands exactly how imperative it is that they comply and oblige and get vaccinated against the dreaded flu version: virus-2021."
Any takers?
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How about we come before the Lord and acknowledge our need for His hand, for His wisdom, for His peace and ask Him for it, without wavering?
try not to get too worried about if or if not.. about do I or don't I, and how anything will work out either way.... instead, in all your ways, acknowledge Him... do not lean on your own understanding... and He will direct your paths..... believe Him to do so and trust Him because He alone is trustworthy and faithful to His Word.
Do not get divided against one another over this topic. Nobody has been in the future yet, to see anything but, we do have hope... and our hope should not be centered in this world and anything it offers. Our Hope is in the Lord, He is our Peace... the Prince of Peace and lover of your soul... trust Him as you go, He will lead you and keep you and tend to you.. He purchased you and loves you.. and may the grace of God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son and the fellowship of the Holy Ghost be with you
Bless you ....><>
Jesus is Lord
(long post)
I know people who do not, and have good reason for not, wearing seat belts.
I also know that in the eighties, i was cleaned up twice... one after getting smacked by a freight train and another after bending my hemi like a banana around a power pole... and both times, i only survived because i was not wearing a seat belt. Mandatory does not save lives nor can it guarantee health.
I have known people [me included] to survive motor bike accidents that by ll rights should not have and at the same time known others to die after a very simple fall. There are not many definites. There are a lot of crazy scenarios and we do not do well to try to use such variable outcomes for presenting a hard case for rules and laws.
History is riddled with rules and laws that have proven very unwise and very harmful.
When talking about the current situation of governments mandating vaccines, we need to keep our eyes open, both to history and to the present and then to the future.
One government might be something that we might take up some form of obedience to the government 'doctrine'. But what we se today is most, if not all, governments pushing something that is still in trial stage with no idea whatsoever of the outcome for the society of the world, not simply one nation. That should be enough to make one stop and consider. Then we have governments mandating with the threat of job loss which translates to it being no longer about one's health. In other words, people are being threatened that if they do not allow themselves to be jabbed, they will lose their jobs and be left without an income. Those who weigh it up are deciding for money reasons, not for health reasons. Since when does taking a vaccine come down to doing so for any reason besides for health reasons? Another reason to consider.
Regardless of anyone's 'doctrine', history is full of psychopaths who are driven by power and gain. In fact, many wars are and have been fought for that purpose. Apparently there is a virus that is deadly to mankind but somewhere the people have become the enemies, not the virus.
Can someone tell me when the virus will go away?
Will it die off or will it mutate and continue with 'stronger' strains, as virus's do? So, once everyone have been forced to be given a jab, will the virus surrender and go away?
So, is forcing folks and penalizing them the answer?
Is that a real righteous act that we would be happy to include in our methods of evangelism?
Sounds like some sort of dark ages persecution, does it not?
There is a huge amount of financial gain for few with global vaccines being marketed.. huge and with that, there is a lot of political sway and push and interest in the whole game. It is not really totally about health and anyone staying virus free. Even people on these forums can vouch for the inability of vaccine to keep the virus away... and we are a tiny percentage of the world population.
We can bury our heads as much as we can make lots of stupid noise.
What is the Christian thing to do?
Some suggest to love your neighbor and so get jabbed. Weak, if not completely mis-informed, argument. To love your neighbor would be to make sure that whatever you are doing for you that you have put your neighbor ahead of you and are willing to 'risk' dying, if needs be, while allowing everyone else to get the 'miracle' jab before you get in line for it. And then to offer and supply any needs for any 'neighbors' who are sick and dying, etc... and look after the widows and fatherless of the folk who have died, whether they have been jabbed or not.
Does loving thy neighbor extend to offering food and accommodation to those who have lost their jobs and have family to shelter and feed?
Sometimes in history rebels have been depicted with a definite one-sided view. For example, a government engages in hostilities for increase of investment gain and local folk fight back or at least resist. So the locals are cut down and labelled as rebels. Somehow doesn't add up right, does it? But history explains clearly that it happens.
So, if people today can sniff something 'historical' in the air, and are cautious about 'going along with the masses', should they be seen as rebels?
Jesus and His men were not at all popular when it came to being different. Same as the Prophets before them. And many many since.
Sure, there have been plenty of crackpots, and psycho's, and a lot of bloodshed and suffering at the hands of deranged men who had some 'revelation' or were selling snake oil, etc.
Sure, there have been many unnecessary deaths, due to ignorance and outright bad advice... but let us remember that that is on both sides of the fence.
For years, people have happily traveled the world and had no problem complying to the laws requiring vaccinations, before entering some countries. But there is something different about the 2021 push for vaccinating everyone, regardless of anything at all... all while still collecting data as it is 'rolled out'. We appear to have some free choice... which brand of vaccine would you like, sir? Some countries don't have it so good. But....
I can't help but think about how we 'live' today and how far removed our lifestyle is from 'back in the days' when the earth was first formed.
Listen up for a minute...
on another thread discussion is being had regarding climate change. Hmmm.
Most folk know that the world [planet earth] is messed up and we have endangered species of both animals, insects etc and plants. We also know that big companies have had a lot to do with some of that. We also know that sick heads with guns etc have over-hunted animals and still do, guns or not. (i was reading recently of the dangers of being a bird conservationist in some parts of the planet... and that is toady, 2021)
Does anyone know that fast foods are bad for you? That countries that consume junk food tend to need hospitals to cater for gluttons and stupids?
Have you been to the shops lately and tried to find fresh food that has not been grown in some distant land, that is free from chemicals, that has not been genetically modified, that has been sourced ethically, without child labor and destruction or theft of lands and water that the locals need to continue living their lives - with limited choice... shut up and get 'civilized' move into towns and cities... shut up, you are too small to stop us... and so it goes on and on.... and that is not including some 'controversial' topics such as oil, gas and uranium..... bad enough mining material for electric components, but again.... this is today....
and should we not be at least a little bothered?
Do any of you reading this have children or grandchildren? [little ones, that is] Nice world we are leaving them, do you think.... nice Christians... so caring and thoughtful.
So, we come here to discuss the pro's and con's of being jabbed with some experimental stuff and to do so from a Bible based and Jesus approved stand.
It is very difficult for some folk to decide what is best. Sciences reveal concerns, for and against.
Threats and blame are not the way to go. Neither are far fetched conspiracy theories or nonsense about seat belts.
When i ask the question, "what would Jesus do?", i do not hear any support for mass produced and mass pushed [compulsory] jabs. I can't see Jesus supporting the pharma companies nor the politicians/leaders, especially those with interest in the said companies.
Someone said something about 'in less developed countries miracles almost have to happen because they don't have modern 'medicine and treatment' ' but i can't find anywhere that suggests that those modern evolving sciences/practices are suitable replacements for miracle healings, in any country. Can people use 'things' for helping others? Yes. Can some herbs etc still be used for helping sick people? Yes. Modern 'medicine' is, for the most part, simply making the most of discoveries from 'nature' even if they tend to mass produce the ingredients artificially, so perhaps modern medicine is not all bad, after all. Another thousand years and they might get it right, but for now, it seems that a lot of it, is to cater for the modern 'lifestyle' including hospitals and ambulances for nuts like me who have vehicle collisions.
Should we all wear helmets when cruising on two wheels? Might help. But where do we define between laws and free choice? As i age a little i see that if someone is stupid enough to go to a dangerous place, they take the risk and it shouldn't be on anyone else. We molly coddle .. we use fluffy cushions so we can 'get away' with stupidity... and then if we dare to go a little deeper....
Much has transformed over the last century. I think most would agree at an accelerating rate. We have come so far as to even make laws that children have the right to choose what to identify with, regardless of natural gender. We see businesses slammed for refusing to comply with same-sex desires of the minority.
We have an over abundance of 'hollywood' rot. And we don't even have to go 'into the world to see it all..... we can go to 'church' and even be told the virtues of complying with the laws and 'loving your neighbor' and embracing the celebration of things that Biblically are abominations.
Here, on threads like this one, we can even get into arguments about the pro's and con's of being jabbed.
What's going on?
Should we be allowed to question some of this?
Is any of this 'anti-christ'? Not directly. But how much of what i have written about could be seen as at least a little anti-God's plan and anti-righteousness?
I'd like to hear some do-goodie evangelist tell me in one sentence, "Go into the world and preach the good news, healing and casting out devils/spirits and make sure you insist that everyone you talk to understands exactly how imperative it is that they comply and oblige and get vaccinated against the dreaded flu version: virus-2021."
Any takers?
=================>
How about we come before the Lord and acknowledge our need for His hand, for His wisdom, for His peace and ask Him for it, without wavering?
try not to get too worried about if or if not.. about do I or don't I, and how anything will work out either way.... instead, in all your ways, acknowledge Him... do not lean on your own understanding... and He will direct your paths..... believe Him to do so and trust Him because He alone is trustworthy and faithful to His Word.
Do not get divided against one another over this topic. Nobody has been in the future yet, to see anything but, we do have hope... and our hope should not be centered in this world and anything it offers. Our Hope is in the Lord, He is our Peace... the Prince of Peace and lover of your soul... trust Him as you go, He will lead you and keep you and tend to you.. He purchased you and loves you.. and may the grace of God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son and the fellowship of the Holy Ghost be with you
Bless you ....><>
Jesus is Lord
Reba1
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Following the money rules out most honesty. I don't not believe what the CDC of the USA says . Dr Fouci I have heard him speaking , I don't know which opinion to believe. I will not blindly follow those who seem to want power and more power.
Hekuran
Faithful Brother in Christ
Of course it's not a weak argument. I'm in good health and young enough that I probably wouldn't be too severely affected by covid symptoms, so I'm not particularly anxious about my own health. But if I caught the virus I'd be likely to spread to people far more vulnerable than me and endanger their health, even their lives.
The wider the uptake of the various vaccines, the less the virus spreads. If you have the opportunity to take the jab, it's a simple and practical way to love your neighbour.
It is hard for me to understand the passions that have been aroused by this topic, i just look on it as a fairly straightforward medical issue. There is a Global Pandemic raging, hundreds of millions of people have been infected, millions have died and we have a vaccine that is effective in drastically cutting down the chance of contracting the virus, the severity of the symptoms if you do, thus greatly reducing the chance of dying and needing hospitalisation , and also reducing the chance of passing the virus to others.
So why has this become an issue of "Freedom", of politics, of Religion even, when common sense would surely dictate taking the vaccine and protecting yourself and others. It seems to me there are other forces at wok here, forces that are promoting fear, anger and division within societies to promote their own agendas, because Angry, fearful and divided people are easy to manipulate.
Shame on them and those that promote their cause, for it has cost the lives of thousands who may otherwise have lived and will cost the lives of probably thousands more who follow their lead. And this fear, this anger, this division is so ingrained that when Donald Trump suggested at a rally people should consider taking the vaccine, even he was booed, and i read today that a school in Florida is excluding those pupils who take the vaccine for 30 days after each jab.
Yet at the same time Billions of people in Developing countries are crying out for vaccines but cannot afford them because of the high prices the Big Pharma companies set. And the Big Pharma Companies, with the backing of their Governments, including mine here in the UK, are resisting moves at the WTO to allow generic manufacturers to produce the drugs at affordable prices. Shame on them and those that support them.
After 40 years of Campaigning in this world trying to bring a little light into the darkness i am still shocked and appalled at Human Behaviour, and in line with another topic, oh yes i am very, very fearful of Gods judgment to come.
So why has this become an issue of "Freedom", of politics, of Religion even, when common sense would surely dictate taking the vaccine and protecting yourself and others. It seems to me there are other forces at wok here, forces that are promoting fear, anger and division within societies to promote their own agendas, because Angry, fearful and divided people are easy to manipulate.
Shame on them and those that promote their cause, for it has cost the lives of thousands who may otherwise have lived and will cost the lives of probably thousands more who follow their lead. And this fear, this anger, this division is so ingrained that when Donald Trump suggested at a rally people should consider taking the vaccine, even he was booed, and i read today that a school in Florida is excluding those pupils who take the vaccine for 30 days after each jab.
Yet at the same time Billions of people in Developing countries are crying out for vaccines but cannot afford them because of the high prices the Big Pharma companies set. And the Big Pharma Companies, with the backing of their Governments, including mine here in the UK, are resisting moves at the WTO to allow generic manufacturers to produce the drugs at affordable prices. Shame on them and those that support them.
After 40 years of Campaigning in this world trying to bring a little light into the darkness i am still shocked and appalled at Human Behaviour, and in line with another topic, oh yes i am very, very fearful of Gods judgment to come.
Reba1
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By Rebecca Shabad
WASHINGTON — Colin Powell, the retired four-star general who became the country's first Black secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, died Monday due to complications from Covid-19, his family said in a statement on Facebook.
Powell, 84, was fully vaccinated from Covid-19, his family said, and had been treated at Walter Reed National Medical Center, but was suffering from serious underlying conditions.
WASHINGTON — Colin Powell, the retired four-star general who became the country's first Black secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, died Monday due to complications from Covid-19, his family said in a statement on Facebook.
Powell, 84, was fully vaccinated from Covid-19, his family said, and had been treated at Walter Reed National Medical Center, but was suffering from serious underlying conditions.
Brad Huber
Loyal
I heard he was battling cancer, and got covid while weakened from cancer. He may have officially died of covid19, but he truly died from being weakened by cancer that any other decease could have tipped him over.
While i believe some Anti- Vaxxers have jumped on this case as a way to try to undermine vaccination it actually only emphasises such a course of action.
There are thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps millions of vulnerable people, such as Colin Powell, who have serious underlying medical conditions, perhaps its Cancer, perhaps the frailty of old age or many different illnesses, and while many of them will probably already be double vaccinated against COVID, they know only too well that the vaccine isnt 100% protective, so the threat of contracting the virus from others is ever present.
I have no idea who passed the virus onto Colin Powell, but i do know that the best way of preventing tragedies such as this occurring is for every one to get vaccinated, for vaccination drastically reduces the chance of contracting the virus in the first place, reduces the severity of the symptoms if you do and perhaps equally important for those that are vulnerable, reduces the risk of you transmitting the virus to anyone else.
Its impossible to say if Colin Powell would have been alive today had more people taken up the offer of vaccination, but from the evidence its clear to say that far fewer people would have suffered and died had this vaccination programme been more successful, and for those that propagate lies and disinformation for their own political or financial benefits, their blood and suffering is on your hands, shame on you, and i believe they will face Gods judgment accordingly for their actions.
There are thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps millions of vulnerable people, such as Colin Powell, who have serious underlying medical conditions, perhaps its Cancer, perhaps the frailty of old age or many different illnesses, and while many of them will probably already be double vaccinated against COVID, they know only too well that the vaccine isnt 100% protective, so the threat of contracting the virus from others is ever present.
I have no idea who passed the virus onto Colin Powell, but i do know that the best way of preventing tragedies such as this occurring is for every one to get vaccinated, for vaccination drastically reduces the chance of contracting the virus in the first place, reduces the severity of the symptoms if you do and perhaps equally important for those that are vulnerable, reduces the risk of you transmitting the virus to anyone else.
Its impossible to say if Colin Powell would have been alive today had more people taken up the offer of vaccination, but from the evidence its clear to say that far fewer people would have suffered and died had this vaccination programme been more successful, and for those that propagate lies and disinformation for their own political or financial benefits, their blood and suffering is on your hands, shame on you, and i believe they will face Gods judgment accordingly for their actions.
Greetings dear brothers and sisters.
This thread was started to get a Christian perspective on vaccination with regard to the Covid jab
My dilemma being that there is a mandate for all health professionals to have the vaccine by November 1st
No jab - no job and being the sole income bringer with dependent children this is a concern.
However, this thread has become a worldly debate between vaxers and antivaxers, political and not very pleasant in places.
Please can we focus upon what the Bible may say about these issues.
Thank you
This thread was started to get a Christian perspective on vaccination with regard to the Covid jab
My dilemma being that there is a mandate for all health professionals to have the vaccine by November 1st
No jab - no job and being the sole income bringer with dependent children this is a concern.
However, this thread has become a worldly debate between vaxers and antivaxers, political and not very pleasant in places.
Please can we focus upon what the Bible may say about these issues.
Thank you
Yes young children.
Precious dependents
Only my salary to support them and no other family for support
No vax - no job
The vaccine cannot take away Salvation.
Nothing can separate us from the love of the Lord.
And whilst I do not want this jab, nor agree with the huge threats and mandates......His love and His power is stronger than anything this world jabs me with
Praise the Lord
Yes in agreement here
But the same can be said for other mass produced prescription drugs and medications that Christians willingly take (trusting in the name of Dr's orders)
Codeine
Morphine
Oxycontin etc
Yes it certainly arouses passions
Most Christians dont blink twice about the annual flu jab, taking prescription medications, having surgery, wearing glasses, going to the dentist.........so why is this different
The issue I think for many is the pressure and threat taking away personal choice and conscientious objection on a global scale.
The concern that it is bowing to something bigger than just a medical intervention.....even concern that it is the mark of the beast.
We all need to remember and rejoice in our Salvation knowing that the Lord knows our hearts and loves us.
Yes it certainly arouses passions
Most Christians dont blink twice about the annual flu jab, taking prescription medications, having surgery, wearing glasses, going to the dentist.........so why is this different
The issue I think for many is the pressure and threat taking away personal choice and conscientious objection on a global scale.
The concern that it is bowing to something bigger than just a medical intervention.....even concern that it is the mark of the beast.
We all need to remember and rejoice in our Salvation knowing that the Lord knows our hearts and loves us.