How Many People Did GOD Kill in The Bible, The True Atheist knows, The Bible, But do you?

[JerryfromMass]

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Ha! See Jerry? I told you that you are intelligent! I don't think your numbers are correct but I cannot say how they are wrong....just a feeling?

My mom and dad had 10 kids, 27 grandkids, 5 great grand kids. They only lived to 85. From 2 to 42 in less that 50 years. Imagine if they lived to 900.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

My mom and dad had 10 kids, 27 grandkids, 5 great grand kids. They only lived to 85. From 2 to 42 in less that 50 years. Imagine if they lived to 900.

Well Here's one place your numbers are figured wrong...Of every say...ten people only five are popping babies...Maybe...Many can not, many choose not to....That alone can affect your numbers big time. Again...I'm not a mathematician or a statistician

 

[JerryfromMass]

The passage says "There were giants on the earth 'in those days', and also afterwords"

@ JerryfromMass -- now it seems that You're assuming things that are not in Scripture -- the giving birth to twins, triplets, quads, etc..

A good conversation between 'inquiring minds'. Can be interesting.

Any thing not explicit in scripture leads to speculation, as in: what was the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, rapture timing, and angels having reproductive organs, among other things.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Well Here's one place your numbers are figured wrong...Of every say...ten people only five are popping babies...Maybe...Many can not, many choose not to....That alone can affect your numbers big time. Again...I'm not a mathematician or a statistician

You're thinking like a 21st century AD human, not a first millenium human.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Well Here's one place your numbers are figured wrong...Of every say...ten people only five are popping babies...Maybe...Many can not, many choose not to....That alone can affect your numbers big time. Again...I'm not a mathematician or a statistician

Plus, the gene pool was not as corrupt in the first Millennium as it is today, so more babies were coming then than there are now, e.g., 70 million abortions in America alone since 1973.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You're thinking like a 21st century AD human, not a first millenium human.

You know how I think? Really? I've studies the subject of giants and such for several years now...I do know what was there....and you're the one who said basketball players are giants.

 

[JerryfromMass]

You know how I think? Really? I've studies the subject of giants and such for several years now...I do know what was there....and you're the one who said basketball players are giants.

Not all NBA players are giants. Not all WWE wrestlers are giants. Not all NFL players are giants.

Look at the world's population growth over the last 60 years alone: we've nearly quadrupled in pop and the average lifespan is under 80 years.

1st Millennium humans lived over 900 years. Yeah, probably more than 10 billion humans by the time of the flood.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Not all NBA players are giants. Not all WWE wrestlers are giants. Not all NFL players are giants.

Look at the world's population growth over the last 60 years alone: we've nearly quadrupled in pop and the average lifespan is under 80 years.

1st Millennium humans lived over 900 years. Yeah, probably more than 10 billion humans by the time of the flood.

Your so called giants are simply large humans Jerry...do some actual research...Here I don't usually do this but I will just for you...I posted this on another thread on TJ

“Who are the sons of God in Genesis 6?”

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My Spirit will not always strive with man, for that he also
is flesh: yet his days will be an hundred and twenty years.

There were giants [Nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:1-4
There have been three theories proposed to explain this Scripture. First, the sons are the tyrant rulers of that day and the daughters are just whomever they chose. Second, the sons are the godly line of Seth (Sethites) and the women were the worldly women of the lineage of Cain (Cainites). Third, the sons were angels and the daughters were human women. In this chapter we will look at the possibilities of each theory.

Tyrant Rulers
The theory that godly rulers turned into tyrants was proposed by those who took their information only from the Ancient Book of Jasher. Jasher never mentions who these sons of God were, but did say: And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men, in those days, took from the cattle of the earth the beasts of the field, and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of the animals of one species with another… Jasher 4.18

This is nearly identical with Genesis 6:1-4, but notice that these “rulers”also started experimenting with crossbreeding animals. Where did they get this idea and how did they successfully accomplish this? There is more to the story than to say these “rulers” were just some tyrants.

Sethites and Cainites
The second theory is the most popular one today. The Cainites were the first to become corrupt and warlike. The posterity of Seth stayed godly long after the Cainites formed, but eventually they also corrupted themselves. Jewish historian Josephus mentioned the fall of the Cainites who became masters of war. Nay, even while Adam was
alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceeding wicked, every one successively dying, one after another, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war... Josephus 1.2.2 Josephus also mentioned the fall of the Sethites. Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as theLord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers;
and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. Josephus 2.3.1This presents a few problems:
It is unlikely that a godly peaceful group suddenly turning evil could conquer a race of master warriors, unless you reverse the text and say that the master warriors (Cainites) took over the Sethites and stole their daughters. But the text does not say the sons of men took the daughters of God. And why is it only ungodly men taking godly women? Why did no ungodly woman marry a godly man and produce a giant? We are told the children of these matches were giants, but inbreeding causes genetic anomalies, but marrying outside of your tribe does not.

Angels and Humans
The third theory has been the standard interpretation for centuries. All the ancient rabbis and all the ancient church fathers up to about AD 300 taught the sons of God were angels and the daughters were human women. After AD 200, a movement began to grow denying the sons were angels but rather were Sethites.In addition to recording the history of the Sethites and Cainites, Josephus also recorded the history of the sons of God of Genesis 6. For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begot sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants or Titans.
Josephus Ant. 1.3.1Later Josephus mentioned the biblical Amorite giants around Hebron. In Hebron there were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day. Josephus Ant. 5.2.3 Ancient church fathers who taught the sons of God were angels included: Athinogorius, Clement of Alexandria, Titian, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Myetus of Philippi, Philix, Ambrose of Milan, and Origen.

Church fathers who taught the sons of God were Sethites included: Theodoran, Jerome, Julius Africanus, Chrysostom, John Calvin, and Martin Luther.
If we look carefully at the New Testament we see that Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch (Jude 1:6), which gives an almost complete story of the descent of the two hundred sons of God. Notice that Jude states that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they committed the same sin as the angels, going after “strange flesh.” And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7

Those sons of God who went after strange flesh are chained under darkness, according to Jude. Peter says they are imprisoned in hell (KJV). In the Greek, the word for
hell is Tartarus, also referred to as the bottomless pit in Revelation. Peter says their fall occurred before the Flood. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but castthem down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-6
Scripture refers to angels as “sons ofGod” and “stars” in Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Deuteronomy 4:19; Isaiah 14:13; Revelation 12:4; 12:9; Genesis 22:17. Christians are referred to as adopted sons of God in Hosea 1:10; John 1:12; Romans 8:14, 19; Philippians 2:15; and 1 John 3:1-2.

Conclusion
The consistent teaching of the ancient rabbis and ancient church fathers has always been the sons of God were angels. Genetic problems come from inbreeding, not outbreeding. A pacifist group does not suddenly make their own weapons and take over a group of seasoned warriors. When we take these facts and add to them the fact
that Enoch has accurate prophecy fulfilled in our lifetime, the conclusion must be that the sons of God were fallen angels.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Your so called giants are simply large humans Jerry...do some actual research...Here I don't usually do this but I will just for you...I posted this on another thread on TJ

“Who are the sons of God in Genesis 6?”

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My Spirit will not always strive with man, for that he also
is flesh: yet his days will be an hundred and twenty years.

There were giants [Nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:1-4
There have been three theories proposed to explain this Scripture. First, the sons are the tyrant rulers of that day and the daughters are just whomever they chose. Second, the sons are the godly line of Seth (Sethites) and the women were the worldly women of the lineage of Cain (Cainites). Third, the sons were angels and the daughters were human women. In this chapter we will look at the possibilities of each theory.

Tyrant Rulers
The theory that godly rulers turned into tyrants was proposed by those who took their information only from the Ancient Book of Jasher. Jasher never mentions who these sons of God were, but did say: And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men, in those days, took from the cattle of the earth the beasts of the field, and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of the animals of one species with another… Jasher 4.18

This is nearly identical with Genesis 6:1-4, but notice that these “rulers”also started experimenting with crossbreeding animals. Where did they get this idea and how did they successfully accomplish this? There is more to the story than to say these “rulers” were just some tyrants.

Sethites and Cainites
The second theory is the most popular one today. The Cainites were the first to become corrupt and warlike. The posterity of Seth stayed godly long after the Cainites formed, but eventually they also corrupted themselves. Jewish historian Josephus mentioned the fall of the Cainites who became masters of war. Nay, even while Adam was
alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceeding wicked, every one successively dying, one after another, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war... Josephus 1.2.2 Josephus also mentioned the fall of the Sethites. Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as theLord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers;
and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. Josephus 2.3.1This presents a few problems:
It is unlikely that a godly peaceful group suddenly turning evil could conquer a race of master warriors, unless you reverse the text and say that the master warriors (Cainites) took over the Sethites and stole their daughters. But the text does not say the sons of men took the daughters of God. And why is it only ungodly men taking godly women? Why did no ungodly woman marry a godly man and produce a giant? We are told the children of these matches were giants, but inbreeding causes genetic anomalies, but marrying outside of your tribe does not.

Angels and Humans
The third theory has been the standard interpretation for centuries. All the ancient rabbis and all the ancient church fathers up to about AD 300 taught the sons of God were angels and the daughters were human women. After AD 200, a movement began to grow denying the sons were angels but rather were Sethites.In addition to recording the history of the Sethites and Cainites, Josephus also recorded the history of the sons of God of Genesis 6. For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begot sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants or Titans.
Josephus Ant. 1.3.1Later Josephus mentioned the biblical Amorite giants around Hebron. In Hebron there were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day. Josephus Ant. 5.2.3 Ancient church fathers who taught the sons of God were angels included: Athinogorius, Clement of Alexandria, Titian, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Myetus of Philippi, Philix, Ambrose of Milan, and Origen.

Church fathers who taught the sons of God were Sethites included: Theodoran, Jerome, Julius Africanus, Chrysostom, John Calvin, and Martin Luther.
If we look carefully at the New Testament we see that Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch (Jude 1:6), which gives an almost complete story of the descent of the two hundred sons of God. Notice that Jude states that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they committed the same sin as the angels, going after “strange flesh.” And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7

Those sons of God who went after strange flesh are chained under darkness, according to Jude. Peter says they are imprisoned in hell (KJV). In the Greek, the word for
hell is Tartarus, also referred to as the bottomless pit in Revelation. Peter says their fall occurred before the Flood. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but castthem down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-6
Scripture refers to angels as “sons ofGod” and “stars” in Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Deuteronomy 4:19; Isaiah 14:13; Revelation 12:4; 12:9; Genesis 22:17. Christians are referred to as adopted sons of God in Hosea 1:10; John 1:12; Romans 8:14, 19; Philippians 2:15; and 1 John 3:1-2.

Conclusion
The consistent teaching of the ancient rabbis and ancient church fathers has always been the sons of God were angels. Genetic problems come from inbreeding, not outbreeding. A pacifist group does not suddenly make their own weapons and take over a group of seasoned warriors. When we take these facts and add to them the fact
that Enoch has accurate prophecy fulfilled in our lifetime, the conclusion must be that the sons of God were fallen angels.

I will continue to believe the Word of God, and the Word of God says humans were destroyed in the flood - giant humans as well as midget humans and all sizes of humans. Regardless , I'm not at all concerned; it has no bearing on my salvation.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I will continue to believe the Word of God, and the Word of God says humans were destroyed in the flood - giant humans as well as midget humans and all sizes of humans. Regardless , I'm not at all concerned; it has no bearing on my salvation.

Well....When you start let us know ok? Because what you say contradicts the Word now.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Well....When you start let us know ok? Because what you say contradicts the Word now.

My view is consistent with the word of God. Your view is pure speculation.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

My view is consistent with the word of God. Your view is pure speculation.

I do find it interesting how you can know all about it without ever looking into it Did you even start to read what I just shared with you? I mean...you have nothing to back up your position but opinion.

 

[PloughBoy]

English Revised Version
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

English Standard Version
For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die.

English Standard Version
Hear the word of the LORD, O children of Israel, for the LORD has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or steadfast love, and no knowledge of God in the land;
Jeremiah 4:22
"For My people are fools; they have not known Me. They are foolish children, without understanding. They are skilled in doing evil, but they know not how to do good."

Jeremiah 7:28
Therefore you must say to them, 'This is the nation that would not listen to the voice of the LORD their God and would not receive correction. Truth has perished; it has disappeared from their lips.

Jeremiah 9:3
"They bend their tongues like bows; lies prevail over truth in the land. For they proceed from evil to evil, and they do not take Me into account," declares the LORD.
(Hebrews 12)BSB
"See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if the people did not escape when they refused Him who warned them on earth, how much less will we escape if we reject Him who warns us from heaven? At that time His voice shook the earth, But Now He has Promised, “Once more I will shake not only the EARTH But HEAVEN as well.” 27The words “Once more” signify the removal of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that the unshakable may remain."…

For many, GOD is nothing, but a collection of mere words and human terms. HE is MORE "THE TETRAGRAMMATON"

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

English Revised Version
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

English Standard Version
For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die.

English Standard Version
Hear the word of the LORD, O children of Israel, for the LORD has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or steadfast love, and no knowledge of God in the land;
Jeremiah 4:22
"For My people are fools; they have not known Me. They are foolish children, without understanding. They are skilled in doing evil, but they know not how to do good."

Jeremiah 7:28
Therefore you must say to them, 'This is the nation that would not listen to the voice of the LORD their God and would not receive correction. Truth has perished; it has disappeared from their lips.

Jeremiah 9:3
"They bend their tongues like bows; lies prevail over truth in the land. For they proceed from evil to evil, and they do not take Me into account," declares the LORD.
(Hebrews 12)BSB
"See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if the people did not escape when they refused Him who warned them on earth, how much less will we escape if we reject Him who warns us from heaven? At that time His voice shook the earth, But Now He has Promised, “Once more I will shake not only the EARTH But HEAVEN as well.” 27The words “Once more” signify the removal of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that the unshakable may remain."…

For many, GOD is nothing, but a collection of mere words and human terms. HE is MORE

Yes The Word is God...Jesus is the Word....If you don't believe the Word, you do not believe HIM

 

[JerryfromMass]

I do find it interesting how you can know all about it without ever looking into it Did you even start to read what I just shared with you? I mean...you have nothing to back up your position but opinion.

I have all I need: it's the written Word of God. All the cobbling you've done is still not certainty, but speculation. If the Word of God explicitly said that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are in fact fallen angels, there would never have been, nor would there continue to be, disagreement among scholars, theologians, and people of faith. But you're entirely free to boast about your position being the absolute truth, if that's what keeps you going. ❤

 

[JerryfromMass]

English Revised Version
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

English Standard Version
For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die.

English Standard Version
Hear the word of the LORD, O children of Israel, for the LORD has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or steadfast love, and no knowledge of God in the land;
Jeremiah 4:22
"For My people are fools; they have not known Me. They are foolish children, without understanding. They are skilled in doing evil, but they know not how to do good."

Jeremiah 7:28
Therefore you must say to them, 'This is the nation that would not listen to the voice of the LORD their God and would not receive correction. Truth has perished; it has disappeared from their lips.

Jeremiah 9:3
"They bend their tongues like bows; lies prevail over truth in the land. For they proceed from evil to evil, and they do not take Me into account," declares the LORD.
(Hebrews 12)BSB
"See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if the people did not escape when they refused Him who warned them on earth, how much less will we escape if we reject Him who warns us from heaven? At that time His voice shook the earth, But Now He has Promised, “Once more I will shake not only the EARTH But HEAVEN as well.” 27The words “Once more” signify the removal of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that the unshakable may remain."…

For many, GOD is nothing, but a collection of mere words and human terms. HE is MORE "THE TETRAGRAMMATON"

Oh brother

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I have all I need: it's the written Word of God. All the cobbling you've done is still not certainty, but speculation. If the Word of God explicitly said that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are in fact fallen angels, there would never have been, nor would there continue to be, disagreemenscholars, theologians, and people of faith. But you're entirely free to boast about your position being the absolute truth, if that's what keeps you going. ❤

Nobody is boasting son....I do wonder why you answer with pokes and jabs when you don't have answers.... You refuse to dig into the Word and find out but you sling insults instead...but rest assured...you cannot offend me since I no longer feel emotion... I suppose that's one blessing I can claim.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Nobody is boasting son....I do wonder why you answer with pokes and jabs when you don't have answers.... You refuse to dig into the Word and find out but you sling insults instead...but rest assured...you cannot offend me since I no longer feel emotion... I suppose that's one blessing I can claim.

I'm sorry for offending you with my lightheartedness. But after all of your back and forth vitriol and hubris, I'd have thought you were a welcoming sort. Streets have signs with your name one them : ONE WAY.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Nobody is boasting son....I do wonder why you answer with pokes and jabs when you don't have answers.... You refuse to dig into the Word and find out but you sling insults instead...but rest assured...you cannot offend me since I no longer feel emotion... I suppose that's one blessing I can claim.

I gave you my answers. And you accuse me of not reading your messages. Cut it out.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I'm sorry for offending you with my lightheartedness. But after all of your back and forth vitriol and hubris, I'd have thought you were a welcoming sort. Streets have signs with your name one them : ONE WAY.

I just told you that you cannot offend...so have at it if you want....Still I would love to see what you have to back up your stance. Scripture?
So here are the verses you gave me to prove your stance
Matthew 22:30. The bible does not say that angels cannot reproduce....It says that they don't...and we won't.

Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

Romans 8:19
For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.

Philippians 2:15
That you may be blameless and innocent, children of God

Matthew 5:9
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Galatians 3:26
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Then you take a bunch of New Covenant verses to prove an Old Covenant term.. They cannot apply since at the ressurection of Jesus all the dynamics changed! (I know that you'll argue that too with no scripture to back you up)