timing of the Goats and sheep Judgement ??
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A good question... after the 2nd coming for sure.
Matt 25:31; “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
Matt 25:32; And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
Matt 25:33; and He will put the sheep on His right, but the goats on the left.
But is this the BEMA great white throne judgment after the millennial reign? Hard to say.
Matt 25:31; “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
Matt 25:32; And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
Matt 25:33; and He will put the sheep on His right, but the goats on the left.
But is this the BEMA great white throne judgment after the millennial reign? Hard to say.
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The bible is clear and plain, concerning the diffrent eras of "tribulation" events. The bible is clear on "The manesfestations" of the Revealing of " the Sons of God", the bible is plain concerning "the people of God" who are saved out of the "Great Tribulation" [ jacobs trouble]. The Bible is clear about those who are saved; on "christ 2nd return with the armies of heaven and the "sons of God" and on His approach His "Angels with separated the wheat from the tares". And blood will flow! Then He will Finally rule as promise with a "Iron Septer" and every knee will bow, willing and unwilling. And many will live a thousand years, and some will want to die in that thousand years and cannot die.! And some will live as a old wrinkle up person for a thousand years and some as children for a thousand years, Life will not be as you know it. And everyone will not be happy as a lot of christians and nominal christians, assume and speculate it to be in the millennium reign. This truth is in "Holy Scripture" and only revealed to those who "God wants to know" in christ.. So no matter how much you have read or how many view points of ""christian eschatology" are you accustom too, and how many people you lead into biblical errors in such teaching and has declared it the gospel Truth and have made "God" out as if he is a liar. Judgment day will come! Jesus may forgive us, But GOD the Father. Has the last "Word"! Jesus is not our pass and gift for "Antinomianism". Indulgence". So that one can think they can teach anything and then say forgive me Lord at night time prayers, will cover our sinful teachings. So one is free so free to teach without harsh repercussions. I think not, teaching as if GOD have given a person Divine command to express lies and GOD has Not! A Few hail mary 's are not going to set you free! "Ignorance is not a excuse".
Let me remind some. Women, think of the worst man on earth in your darkess night and the most terrorizing situation possible. If you have, that is a picnic on a beautiful sunny day, compared into false teaching the very "Word of GOD" and we will stand before HIM! GOD is a "Terrifying Being" to all creation to stand before!
I know a lot of christians do not believe this and Jesus has told us ,The Truth" and we have many christians every day with all their hearts. To explain this Truth away. But in the end, Many will curse GOD to His Face! Because they will find out He is not the GOD of their imagination who they thought HE was! But He is the GOD of the Whole Bible as He has declared Himself
And The bible has said and did not lie; "it is a Terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the Living God"
Let me remind some. Women, think of the worst man on earth in your darkess night and the most terrorizing situation possible. If you have, that is a picnic on a beautiful sunny day, compared into false teaching the very "Word of GOD" and we will stand before HIM! GOD is a "Terrifying Being" to all creation to stand before!
I know a lot of christians do not believe this and Jesus has told us ,The Truth" and we have many christians every day with all their hearts. To explain this Truth away. But in the end, Many will curse GOD to His Face! Because they will find out He is not the GOD of their imagination who they thought HE was! But He is the GOD of the Whole Bible as He has declared Himself
And The bible has said and did not lie; "it is a Terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the Living God"
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There is a video that touches on that at a youtube channel called last prophet standing. you may want to check it out
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The Sheep and the Goats
Matthew 25-31,46
31. When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne.
32. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33. He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.
34. Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35. For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in,
36. I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’
37. Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink?
38. When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39. When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
40. And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
41. Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink,
43. I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44. And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45. Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’
46. And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I here some believe this happens after Jesus returns but before the millennium, but I do not think anyone gets throne into the eternal fire (which I think is the lake of fire) until after the millennium, (with the exception of the beast and false prophet Revelation 20:10)
we know the devil is in holding for the 1,000 years
Revelation 20:2
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
It seems everyone else is also in hades (hell) waiting on the final judgement, which seems to be getting thrown into the lake of fire, which I am considering to be the eternal fire.
Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
and this does not happen until the end of the millennium (rev 20 , 7)
Revelation 20 11-15
11. Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them.
12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne.And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books.
13. The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
14. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.
15. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
sheep and goats based on the eternal fire and lake of fire are same happens at the end of the 1,000 year
But what if the eternal fire is just another name for hell now becomes the question
Matthew 25-31,46
31. When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne.
32. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33. He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.
34. Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35. For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in,
36. I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’
37. Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink?
38. When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39. When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
40. And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
41. Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink,
43. I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44. And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45. Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’
46. And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I here some believe this happens after Jesus returns but before the millennium, but I do not think anyone gets throne into the eternal fire (which I think is the lake of fire) until after the millennium, (with the exception of the beast and false prophet Revelation 20:10)
we know the devil is in holding for the 1,000 years
Revelation 20:2
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
It seems everyone else is also in hades (hell) waiting on the final judgement, which seems to be getting thrown into the lake of fire, which I am considering to be the eternal fire.
Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
and this does not happen until the end of the millennium (rev 20 , 7)
Revelation 20 11-15
11. Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them.
12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne.And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books.
13. The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
14. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.
15. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
sheep and goats based on the eternal fire and lake of fire are same happens at the end of the 1,000 year
But what if the eternal fire is just another name for hell now becomes the question
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Beleivers do not come into judgement
John 5-24
24Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Believers do not come into judgement for salvation ,they are judged for their crowns rewards is my understanding
2 Timothy 4:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing
Could it be the sheep and goats are talking about non believers going into the millennium as some suggest??
John 5-24
24Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Believers do not come into judgement for salvation ,they are judged for their crowns rewards is my understanding
2 Timothy 4:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing
Could it be the sheep and goats are talking about non believers going into the millennium as some suggest??
