who are those that came out of the great tribulation????

[Admon Mikha'el]

You don't really want to go there.
Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Was the blood sufficient for the goats in Matt 25:41; ? What makes someone a sheep or a goat? It's what you do.
Was the blood sufficient for the 5 foolish virgins in Matt 25:10-12; ? What makes someone a foolish virgin?
Was the blood sufficient for those who called Jesus Lord in Matt 7:21-23; ? It's what you do.
Was the blood sufficient for the servant in Matt 25:26; ? It's what you do, (or in this case, what you don't do ).
Was the blood sufficient for the tree in Luke 13:9; ? It's what you do.
Was the blood sufficient for those in the kingdom in Matt 13:41; ? It's what you do.
There are more....
What determined where the people who were resurrected in John 5:28-29; ended up? What they believed or what they did?
Was the blood sufficient for those in the church in Luke 13:27: ?
Will the blood be sufficient for the 5 churches in Revelation who were told to repent or else?

Yes you need to believe upon Jesus and His resurrection. But's that only part of it.




Do you have scripture that says this? That demons are fallen angels.

Demons are not fallen angels. They are the spirits of the offspring of fallen angels and human women. Um...You won't accept the proof as proof. I'm not a gambler at all but I would lay money on that. LOL

 

[PloughBoy]

Demons are not fallen angels. They are the spirits of the offspring of fallen angels and human women. Um...You won't accept the proof as proof. I'm not a gambler at all but I would lay money on that. LOL

That is amazing, you know more about them, Than The "SON of GOD". "Jesus the Anointed of GOD" wow

(Mark 8).NASB
"And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And He was stating the matter plainly. And Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”

New American Standard Bible
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Angels don't have to "P"

And they sure are not "Creators"!

But they might know how to draw.

 

[PloughBoy]

New American Standard 1977
Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
King James 2000 Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
American King James Version
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Mmm. A Angel and a woman, well, just maybe, GOD didn't breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, at brith, they maybe demons, made from a woman don't have to breathe. and because it does not have any Lungs.

Admon Mikha'el : could you explain it to us a little better, since you have your money on it.

 

[DieAmartyr]

interesting thought,,,I ask you........ can a person be a believer and not born again????????????

Sure! You can be be a believer and not be born again but you will not end up where you want to be.
Jesus answered and said unto him, “Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
John 3:3

This would tell us that there are many people who believed in Jesus but went to hell because we know not all believers have been baptized.

 

[Dave M]

From my personal experience I can tell you I have been a believer since I can remember,, but I was not saved and was heading to hell, because scripture says those that are habitual sinners do not go to heaven, I lived a life of sin it was a lifestyle, but always always was a believer never did I doubt Jesus, I used to even go to church and confession. I was not born again,

I have since been set free of the bondage of sin and no longer practice any of the sins that used to enslave me, and I promise I dont think it was me but Jesus that set me free, yet I did have some type of responsibility of receiving him.

It does not matter what a person says it matters what a person does. And when a person is born again he does not practice habitual sin.

I know some think all you have to do is say you believe and live anyway you want and your saved, I don't find any scripture that supports that, seems that is what @Sue D. is suggesting ??

Grace produces good works, good works a changed life, freedom of sin,,,,,is my understanding,,,

 

[B-A-C]

Jesus answered and said unto him, “Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

Even being in the kingdom is no guarantee.
There are tares, bad fish and stumbling blocks in the kingdom that will be removed.

Matt 13:41; Matt 13:48;

 

[Sue D.]

From my personal experience I can tell you I have been a believer since I can remember,, but I was not saved and was heading to hell, because scripture says those that are habitual sinners do not go to heaven, I lived a life of sin it was a lifestyle, but always always was a believer never did I doubt Jesus, I used to even go to church and confession. I was not born again,

I have since been set free of the bondage of sin and no longer practice any of the sins that used to enslave me, and I promise I dont think it was me but Jesus that set me free, yet I did have some type of responsibility of receiving him.

It does not matter what a person says it matters what a person does. And when a person is born again he does not practice habitual sin.

I know some think all you have to do is say you believe and live anyway you want and your saved, I don't find any scripture that supports that, seems that is what @Sue D. is suggesting ??

Grace produces good works, good works a changed life, freedom of sin,,,,,is my understanding,,,

Lots of people are 'believers' / have a great head knowledge. Which is what I was for a long time,. But I wasn't 'saved'.

The Holy Spirit convicted you of your need,. And once a person Does accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior -- there won't be the desire to keep on doing those things of previous time.

I've never meant to suggest any such thing. A person believes in their heart and confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus - Jesus being the Son of God -- died and was buried and rose again bodily on the 3rd day according to Scripture.

The Holy Spirit indwelling the believer -- the person Won't want to keep doing whatever they want. The Holy Spirit gives us New desires / New interests. IF a person continues to act the same way After 'praying a prayer' or 'walking down an aisle' -- then it's a pretty good indication that their 'head' did Not reach their 'heart'. And the heart is what matters to God.

People see our faith through our works. The works we do are because we want to please God AFter we've been saved. But it isn't the works that save us. We're not to be placing our faith in the works we are doing -- but in the sufficiency of the blood of Christ. On the cross.

Grace is unmerited favor we receive from God. Salvation -- the indwelling of the Holy Spirit produces the desire to do good works. And a changed life. The born again believer is no longer a slave to sin. And 'we' have the Holy Spirit to help us resist evil.

 

[DieAmartyr]

From my personal experience I can tell you I have been a believer since I can remember,, but I was not saved and was heading to hell, because scripture says those that are habitual sinners do not go to heaven, I lived a life of sin it was a lifestyle, but always always was a believer never did I doubt Jesus, I used to even go to church and confession. I was not born again,

I have since been set free of the bondage of sin and no longer practice any of the sins that used to enslave me, and I promise I dont think it was me but Jesus that set me free, yet I did have some type of responsibility of receiving him.

It does not matter what a person says it matters what a person does. And when a person is born again he does not practice habitual sin.

I know some think all you have to do is say you believe and live anyway you want and your saved, I don't find any scripture that supports that, seems that is what @Sue D. is suggesting ??

Grace produces good works, good works a changed life, freedom of sin,,,,,is my understanding,,,

This could be wrong also because from what I understand a person can sin their entire life and find Jesus right before death and give his life to Him and repent and be saved. It is all up to Jesus who is saved and who is not.

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God— not by works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[DieAmartyr]

Even being in the kingdom is no guarantee.
There are tares, bad fish and stumbling blocks in the kingdom that will be removed.

Matt 13:41; Matt 13:48;

What do you mean? The kingdom isn't heaven? There are stumbling blocks in the kingdom of God? What would they be?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

This could be wrong also because from what I understand a person can sin their entire life and find Jesus right before death and give his life to Him and repent and be saved. It is all up to Jesus who is saved and who is not.

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God— not by works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

Its all up to Jesus as to who gets saved? How can you even think that? Gods Word say that its His choice that ALL come to redemption. As to who get saved HE says ALL that will....Getting saved is a personal choice.. YOU are the master of your salvation. YOU say whether you want it or not. That's part of YOUR free choice.

 

[DieAmartyr]

Its all up to Jesus as to who gets saved? How can you even think that? Gods Word say that its His choice that ALL come to redemption. As to who get saved HE says ALL that will....Getting saved is a personal choice.. YOU are the master of your salvation. YOU say whether you want it or not. That's part of YOUR free choice.

How can I say that? I didn't say it. God did in the verse I quoted.

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God— not by works, lest any man should boast

Let's look at it. ' For by grace are you saved" By grace- grace from Who? Through faith, and that not of yourselves. So through faith in God by God's grace and not of ourselves. ' It is a gift of God.- not by works- meaning nothing that you can do will get you into heaven but being saved is a gift from God.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God; from Him cometh my salvation. Psalm 62:1

For the Lord taketh pleasure in His people; He will beautify the meek with salvation Psalm 149:4

And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all those who obey Him,Hebrews 5:9

It's all right there. We do not save ourselves.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

How can I say that? I didn't say it. God did in the verse I quoted.

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God— not by works, lest any man should boast

Let's look at it. ' For by grace are you saved" By grace- grace from Who? Through faith, and that not of yourselves. So through faith in God by God's grace and not of ourselves. ' It is a gift of God.- not by works- meaning nothing that you can do will get you into heaven but being saved is a gift from God.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God; from Him cometh my salvation. Psalm 62:1

For the Lord taketh pleasure in His people; He will beautify the meek with salvation Psalm 149:4

And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all those who obey Him,Hebrews 5:9

It's all right there. We do not save ourselves.

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God— not by works, lest any man should boast

I love that verse! Let's rewrite it using the definition of grace in place of that word...
For by the 'empowering Presence of God in your life' are ye saved by the faith that Jesus gave you, and not by anything that you did yourself. It is a gift from God, not by works, lest any man should boast. So Jesus gave you the faith to believe, and receive the empowering Presence of God into your life. And you? You appropriated the faith Jesus gave you by your choice, you accepted and recieved the gift, by your choice. and were saved...by what God did for you and by your choice. Do you really think that God would force HImself on you? Do you really think that God would drag you kicking and screaming into salvation? Not so my dear. Not so.

All the other verses too, say the choice is yours. My soul wait waiteth on God. Your choice.
He will beautify the meek...the humble...the one who submits to God....Your choice
salvation unto all those who obey Him...YOU choose to obey or not...Thus, as I've already stated, YOU are the master of your own salvation. YOU choose whether or not you will get saved..

And again...Jesus does not choose whom to save and whom will go to hell.
1 Timothy 2:4 – “[God our Savior] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

[DieAmartyr]

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God— not by works, lest any man should boast

I love that verse! Let's rewrite it using the definition of grace in place of that word...
For by the 'empowering Presence of God in your life' are ye saved by the faith that Jesus gave you, and not by anything that you did yourself. It is a gift from God, not by works, lest any man should boast. So Jesus gave you the faith to believe, and receive the empowering Presence of God into your life. And you? You appropriated the faith Jesus gave you by your choice, you accepted and recieved the gift, by your choice. and were saved...by what God did for you and by your choice. Do you really think that God would force HImself on you? Do you really think that God would drag you kicking and screaming into salvation? Not so my dear. Not so.

All the other verses too, say the choice is yours. My soul wait waiteth on God. Your choice.
He will beautify the meek...the humble...the one who submits to God....Your choice
salvation unto all those who obey Him...YOU choose to obey or not...Thus, as I've already stated, YOU are the master of your own salvation. YOU choose whether or not you will get saved..

And again...Jesus does not choose whom to save and whom will go to hell.
1 Timothy 2:4 – “[God our Savior] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

No one wants to go to hell. People do not choose hell over heaven. Who would choose to burn for eternity over everlasting life? They do not realize the connection. They do not realize when they are born a pit is dug in hell for them because we are born sinners because of our Adamic nature. You think Atheists who were raised Atheists would have chosen to not choose had they known what faced them? I found grace to mean In Western Christian theology, grace is "the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not necessarily because of anything we have done to earn it". It is not a created substance of any kind. ..

 

[B-A-C]

found grace to mean In Western Christian theology, grace is "the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not necessarily because of anything we have done to earn it". It is not a created substance of any kind. ..

There is a before and after. We can't earn salvation. Before we are saved, there is nothing we can do to earn it.
After we are saved, where we spend eternity depends on the choices we make and how we choose to live.

A lot of people read Eph 2:8-9; and skip verse 10. They ignore other 60 plus verses that talk about conditions to get into the kingdom. Also even if you are in the kingdom doesn't mean you'll stay forever.

Adding to what Jesus did.

I know this could dissolve into discussions about synergism, Arminianism, and OSAS. I'm hoping to stay away from those in this thread. I have heard Christians say things like "There is nothing you can do to add to what Jesus did for you". I have even heard preachers in some churches say this...

www.talkjesus.com

Partial credit?

There are verses in the Bible that say certain things we do are "credited" as righteousness. Rom 4:23; Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, Rom 4:24; but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from...

www.talkjesus.com

Conditional salvation?

There are some who say salvation and forgiveness are unconditional. Often these people will share scripture verses above the love of God, and how nothing can separate us from God. However the verses actually say... from the "love" of God, not God himself. There is a difference. God loves...

www.talkjesus.com

 

[PloughBoy]

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God— not by works, lest any man should boast

I love that verse! Let's rewrite it using the definition of grace in place of that word...
For by the 'empowering Presence of God in your life' are ye saved by the faith that Jesus gave you, and not by anything that you did yourself. It is a gift from God, not by works, lest any man should boast. So Jesus gave you the faith to believe, and receive the empowering Presence of God into your life. And you? You appropriated the faith Jesus gave you by your choice, you accepted and recieved the gift, by your choice. and were saved...by what God did for you and by your choice. Do you really think that God would force HImself on you? Do you really think that God would drag you kicking and screaming into salvation? Not so my dear. Not so.

All the other verses too, say the choice is yours. My soul wait waiteth on God. Your choice.
He will beautify the meek...the humble...the one who submits to God....Your choice
salvation unto all those who obey Him...YOU choose to obey or not...Thus, as I've already stated, YOU are the master of your own salvation. YOU choose whether or not you will get saved..

And again...Jesus does not choose whom to save and whom will go to hell.
1 Timothy 2:4 – “[God our Savior] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The Tares seeds have always been tares, the wheat seeds has always been Wheat, The Wheat was planted before the foundations of the World. In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Tares among Wheat
24Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25“But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26“But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27“The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28“And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29“But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

He never said He would change the Tares into wheat! food for thought only.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No one wants to go to hell. People do not choose hell over heaven. Who would choose to burn for eternity over everlasting life? They do not realize the connection. They do not realize when they are born a pit is dug in hell for them because we are born sinners because of our Adamic nature. You think Atheists who were raised Atheists would have chosen to not choose had they known what faced them? I found grace to mean In Western Christian theology, grace is "the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not necessarily because of anything we have done to earn it". It is not a created substance of any kind. ..

ROFL Yeah I always learned that too. Such nonsense. Imagine! ...defining grace as mercy. Two distinctly different things!

1 Timothy 1:2

Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Titus 1:4

To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Hebrews 4:16

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

According to that teaching the bible is goofy in the way it's written or somebody didn't know what he was taking about? Hmmm According to that silly definition the Word says Mercy, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord...three or four times?! Does that teaching explain the thing at all? NOT!

As to the choices...The bible is full of information about Satans end...Does he believe it? Don't you think he might do something about it if he did? Not that it would help him. But no...his aim is still to supplant God. And his followers, the same.

 

[PloughBoy]

There is a before and after. We can't earn salvation. Before we are saved, there is nothing we can do to earn it.
After we are saved, where we spend eternity depends on the choices we make and how we choose to live.

A lot of people read Eph 2:8-9; and skip verse 10. They ignore other 60 plus verses that talk about conditions to get into the kingdom. Also even if you are in the kingdom doesn't mean you'll stay forever.

Adding to what Jesus did.

I know this could dissolve into discussions about synergism, Arminianism, and OSAS. I'm hoping to stay away from those in this thread. I have heard Christians say things like "There is nothing you can do to add to what Jesus did for you". I have even heard preachers in some churches say this...

www.talkjesus.com

Partial credit?

There are verses in the Bible that say certain things we do are "credited" as righteousness. Rom 4:23; Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, Rom 4:24; but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from...

www.talkjesus.com

Conditional salvation?

There are some who say salvation and forgiveness are unconditional. Often these people will share scripture verses above the love of God, and how nothing can separate us from God. However the verses actually say... from the "love" of God, not God himself. There is a difference. God loves...

www.talkjesus.com

it seems to me a lot of christians do not pay attention to "Holy Scripture" That once we become new babes in "Christ Jesus "we are to be shape and molden into the image of Christ by suffering and obeying His commandments. They have no idea whatsoever these Scriptures means or pay attention to these Scriptures at all. that is why, The Bibles states There are a lot of Christians who are "Enemies of The Cross" They refuse to suffer in this matter or take upon themselves to seek God The Father in such matters, and deny themselves and be separate and come out from among them but they rather walk according to the Flesh and NOT THE "Holy Spirit". And spend most of their lives Justifing their actions of being apart of the world and it's systems. and doing It In "Jesus Name" making a better world in Jesus name, Glorifying GOD. by doing good works into World and never really knowing the True GOOD works of GOD, That last forever and never parishes or consume by Fire.
(1 Cor.3)
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built there upon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
These verses means nothing to most christians like others verses means nothing to them, and neither do they spend quiet time in their homes with GOD in prayer seeking the Truth. But rather look at sports on T.V. and go to spa's and Gyms in the name of Jesus! Glorifying Him.

 

[DieAmartyr]

There is a before and after. We can't earn salvation. Before we are saved, there is nothing we can do to earn it.
After we are saved, where we spend eternity depends on the choices we make and how we choose to live.

A lot of people read Eph 2:8-9; and skip verse 10. They ignore other 60 plus verses that talk about conditions to get into the kingdom. Also even if you are in the kingdom doesn't mean you'll stay forever.

Adding to what Jesus did.

I know this could dissolve into discussions about synergism, Arminianism, and OSAS. I'm hoping to stay away from those in this thread. I have heard Christians say things like "There is nothing you can do to add to what Jesus did for you". I have even heard preachers in some churches say this...

www.talkjesus.com

Partial credit?

There are verses in the Bible that say certain things we do are "credited" as righteousness. Rom 4:23; Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, Rom 4:24; but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from...

www.talkjesus.com

Conditional salvation?

There are some who say salvation and forgiveness are unconditional. Often these people will share scripture verses above the love of God, and how nothing can separate us from God. However the verses actually say... from the "love" of God, not God himself. There is a difference. God loves...

www.talkjesus.com

What? You can go to heaven for awhile and then be sent to hell? Why would this happen? That is horrifying

 

[DieAmartyr]

it seems to me a lot of christians do not pay attention to "Holy Scripture" That once we become new babes in "Christ Jesus "we are to be shape and molden into the image of Christ by suffering and obeying His commandments. They have no idea whatsoever these Scriptures means or pay attention to these Scriptures at all. that is why, The Bibles states There are a lot of Christians who are "Enemies of The Cross" They refuse to suffer in this matter or take upon themselves to seek God The Father in such matters, and deny themselves and be separate and come out from among them but they rather walk according to the Flesh and NOT THE "Holy Spirit". And spend most of their lives Justifing their actions of being apart of the world and it's systems. and doing It In "Jesus Name" making a better world in Jesus name, Glorifying GOD. by doing good works into World and never really knowing the True GOOD works of GOD, That last forever and never parishes or consume by Fire.
(1 Cor.3)
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built there upon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
These verses means nothing to most christians like others verses means nothing to them, and neither do they spend quiet time in their homes with GOD in prayer seeking the Truth. But rather look at sports on T.V. and go to spa's and Gyms in the name of Jesus! Glorifying Him.

How can you talk about Christians like that? Some Christians are whole hearted believers in the Lord, the truth and the life and have been baptized but maybe they don't have access to modern bibles that read easily as they have Old English translations, or maybe they aren't very good readers to begin with. The Bible is a big book and personally I am trying to read through it and am having trouble with knowing if passages are referring to the past present or future, and if it's referring to the physical or spiritual world. Some of us cannot afford the Spa, or dining out and certainly do not watch t.v. or listen to secular music. Would you discredit a Christian who spent much time in worship music praising the Lord? Shame on you for judging any Christians or having the audacity to assume you know where they are at in their walk with Christ and belittling them for it.

Thou also, who hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou. Yea, be thou confounded also and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters. Ezekiel 16:52

But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:10

Let us not therefore judge one another any more, but judge this rather: that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. Romans 14:13

You do not know what " most Christians" do. To assume that you do is preposterous.

 

[B-A-C]

What? You can go to heaven for awhile and then be sent to hell? Why would this happen? That is horrifying

The "kingdom of heaven" is not exactly the same as heaven itself. The kingdom of heaven is more of a spiritual place that is within Christians.
Part of the kingdom of heaven is right here on earth. The true (3rd) heaven is where God the Father and Jesus are currently.

Remember Satan and the fallen angels were once in heaven. They were "kicked out". Although it seems Satan is able to visit from time to time.
It seems there was/will be a war in heaven at one point.

Rev 12:7; And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
Rev 12:8; and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.
Rev 12:9; And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

There are tares ( stumbling blocks ) in the kingdom of heaven. There are "bad fish" in the kingdom of heaven. They will be removed at some point.

Matt 13:24; Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.
Matt 13:25; "But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away.

Matt 13:40; "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:41; "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 13:47; "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind;
Matt 13:48; and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away.
Matt 13:49; "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
Matt 13:50; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Once you physically die, you fate is set for all eternity. You will spend eternity with Jesus or in the Lake of Fire.

Heb 9:27; And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

As far as "heaven" itself goes. There really isn't any verse in the Bible that says Christians actually go to heaven to stay and live forever.
There is a place called the New Jerusalem that will "come down out of heaven" where they will stay.

Rev 21:2; And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.