3 part question on masturbation.

[Brad Huber]

Brad the "Bema Seat" is not the same thing as the Great White Throne Judgment . I'm sorry you do not nderstand.

Dont be sorry, just speak plainly. If you want to be spiritual and amaze people with your spirituality, be kind, it works much better. I can speak spiritually also, but I speak plainly normally, because thats what people do when they want to communicate well with others.

 

[Dave M]

You make marriage sound sort of dirty, something lesser people do when they cant control their urges.

hey brother that was not my intention,

I did want to make masterbation sound dirty though

but I said very little and let scripture speak for itself, at least that was my intention

 

[B-A-C]

No one has to ask for the Holy Spirit -- He comes to indwell us at the moment Of our salvation.

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

 

[B-A-C]

Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

What are looking at when you "take care of yourself".

Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

What are you thinking about when you "take care of yourself".

1Cor 6:18; Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.

Are you sinning against your own body?

 

[Sue D.]

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

Look at 1 Corinthians 12 :11 "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills." I've always applied this to the area of spiritual gifts that are given To us at salvation. There are some churches that have classes to teach people How to speak in tongues. But I don't believe that That is Scriptural.

And, yes , there is the Luke 11 passage that goes up to vs 9 and 10 for more context.

I've never been in any groups who Do that. Asking for the Holy Spirit. And there Is the ask, seek and knock.

Gifts are things that people Give you, rather than asking for them. My experience any way.

 

[Sue D.]

Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

What are looking at when you "take care of yourself".

Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

What are you thinking about when you "take care of yourself".

1Cor 6:18; Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.

Are you sinning against your own body?

I guess that would depend on the person / Why they are doing it.

 

[PloughBoy]

Dont be sorry, just speak plainly. If you want to be spiritual and amaze people with your spirituality, be kind, it works much better. I can speak spiritually also, but I speak plainly normally, because thats what people do when they want to communicate well with others.

I will say this, I am not trying to be "Spiritual" and for I have not the "Ability" to do so and Neither am I'm I trying, For I am A child of The Living GOD, Born Of HIs Spirit and wash In HIs Blood! And was Chosen before the Foundation of The cosmos, before there was a Heaven or Hell, before He Created The Angels and Satan himself! I chose not Him He Chose me! I am speaking for myself, I know My Father who is IN HEAVEN, I walk with Him and Talk With Him, and He calls me by my name! and it is not my imagination! And I do perceive you are not my Brother in Christ Jesus! and we do not have the same Father who are in Heaven!
And I am willing to lay down my life and declare upon Burning Coals of Fire! That these things are True! because we speak not the same Heavenly language! And I love My Father, with all of my mind, my soul, My Being, and All of My Strength, And I will shout it out, in the streets, the stores, not matter where I am at, I am Not ashame of "the Gospel according to Jesus Christ".
And do not give a heck about "The Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Joe Blow"!
I do not want to "AMAZE" people or impress the people of this world. Or seek to please them but I want to "Upset Them" and set "Their World Upside down"!
I want to disturb them, cause them to toss and turn in the darkness of The night! I want them to Hear The Roaring of The Lion, that is running around seeking whom he may devour! I want them to Hear The Roaring of The Blue Waves, that Flows in "The Lake of Fire Burning with Brimstone". The place where "Their Worms will Die not, their "conscious" thoughts will forever wiggle throughout "Eternity" about the things, that they have none and words inwhich they have spoken, thoughts, and the very words they have wrote down and the things they have ought to have done, and how their pride stood in their own way. Forever and ever these worms will wiggle and never sleep but will forever produce a form of "Eternal" Compost that will generate and continue adding fuel to the Flame!

Who would take such a chance? Only a Fool. For the Fool will say: There is No GOD. "But Our GOD" is a "Consuming Fire"! But the Fool thinks not

Merry Christmas! and" Joy to The World" for a Savior has come, to save us from "The Wrath that is to Come"
for This is "The Love of God"! "A Remnant According to Grace"
What a Wonderful GOD! But make sure Your anchor holds! "Search the Scripture, for In Them You Think, you might, "Have Eternal Life"!"

When you are about to pass from this life, and your breath get short, you are not going to worrying about whether "PloughBoy" doctrine is right
You might think, you are going to sleep, but you might be about to "Wake UP"!

(Luke 16)NASV.
“Now it came about that the poor man died and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died [and woke up] and was buried. “And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away, and Lazarus in his bosom. “And he cried out"

Merry Christmas!
P.S. I hope that was Plain enough. That even a child, could understand.
"Repent for The Kingdom of God, is at Hand."

(Matt 4)NASV.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
From then on, Jesus began to tell people, "Turn to God and change the way you think and act, because the kingdom of heaven is near!"
New American Standard 1977
From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

He is nearer even at "The Door' He is close, it is late in the day, Look around the world, "He is angry at the wicked everyday', "His wrath is waxing Hot", The world is not growing closer to GOD but farther away and traveling at 'Light speed'. and No sight of "Repenting".
"Like a thief in The night, He will appear".

 

[Brad Huber]

I will say this, I am not trying to be "Spiritual" and for I have not the "Ability" to do so and Neither am I'm I trying, For I am A child of The Living GOD, Born Of HIs Spirit and wash In HIs Blood! And was Chosen before the Foundation of The cosmos, before there was a Heaven or Hell, before He Created The Angels and Satan himself! I chose not Him He Chose me! I am speaking for myself, I know My Father who is IN HEAVEN, I walk with Him and Talk With Him, and He calls me by my name! and it is not my imagination! And I do perceive you are not my Brother in Christ Jesus! and we do not have the same Father who are in Heaven!
And I am willing to lay down my life and declare upon Burning Coals of Fire! That these things are True! because we speak not the same Heavenly language! And I love My Father, with all of my mind, my soul, My Being, and All of My Strength, And I will shout it out, in the streets, the stores, not matter where I am at, I am Not ashame of "the Gospel according to Jesus Christ".
And do not give a heck about "The Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Joe Blow"!
I do not want to "AMAZE" people or impress the people of this world. Or seek to please them but I want to "Upset Them" and set "Their World Upside down"!
I want to disturb them, cause them to toss and turn in the darkness of The night! I want them to Hear The Roaring of The Lion, that is running around seeking whom he may devour! I want them to Hear The Roaring of The Blue Waves, that Flows in "The Lake of Fire Burning with Brimstone". The place where "Their Worms will Die not, their "conscious" thoughts will forever wiggle throughout "Eternity" about the things, that they have none and words inwhich they have spoken, thoughts, and the very words they have wrote down and the things they have ought to have done, and how their pride stood in their own way. Forever and ever these worms will wiggle and never sleep but will forever produce a form of "Eternal" Compost that will generate and continue adding fuel to the Flame!

Who would take such a chance? Only a Fool. For the Fool will say: There is No GOD. "But Our GOD" is a "Consuming Fire"! But the Fool thinks not

Merry Christmas! and" Joy to The World" for a Savior has come, to save us from "The Wrath that is to Come"
for This is "The Love of God"! "A Remnant According to Grace"
What a Wonderful GOD! But make sure Your anchor holds! "Search the Scripture, for In Them You Think, you might, "Have Eternal Life"!"

When you are about to pass from this life, and your breath get short, you are not going to worrying about whether "PloughBoy" doctrine is right
You might think, you are going to sleep, but you might be about to "Wake UP"!

(Luke 16)NASV.
“Now it came about that the poor man died and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died [and woke up] and was buried. “And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away, and Lazarus in his bosom. “And he cried out"

Merry Christmas!
P.S. I hope that was Plain enough. That even a child, could understand.
"Repent for The Kingdom of God, is at Hand."

(Matt 4)NASV.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
From then on, Jesus began to tell people, "Turn to God and change the way you think and act, because the kingdom of heaven is near!"
New American Standard 1977
From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

He is nearer even at "The Door' He is close, it is late in the day, Look around the world, "He is angry at the wicked everyday', "His wrath is waxing Hot", The world is not growing closer to GOD but farther away and traveling at 'Light speed'. and No sight of "Repenting".
"Like a thief in The night, He will appear".

No, not plain, plain would have been, "I doubt that you Love God at all, and when you die, and end up in hell, you wont have time to worry about whether I was right or wrong." That would have been clear and honest, you see. You chose to be flowery with your words, using many emogi's to impress those who for some reason like drama.

I on the other hand, like simple language, for with many words, sin lies at your doorstep. The Lord told me that you sometimes grieve the Holy Spirit, but that you are a work in progress, as are we all. So I forgive you and pray that you progress fast enough not to anger the Lord with your rebukes of your brothers and sisters (although mostly brothers, you seem to like the sisters a lot better). Remember what happened to the prophet on the road killed by a lion because he did not do what the Lord commanded. That is my lesson to you, sir.

 

[PloughBoy]

No, not plain, plain would have been, "I doubt that you Love God at all, and when you die, and end up in hell, you wont have time to worry about whether I was right or wrong." That would have been clear and honest, you see. You chose to be flowery with your words, using many emogi's to impress those who for some reason like drama.

I on the other hand, like simple language, for with many words, sin lies at your doorstep. The Lord told me that you sometimes grieve the Holy Spirit, but that you are a work in progress, as are we all. So I forgive you and pray that you progress fast enough not to anger the Lord with your rebukes of your brothers and sisters (although mostly brothers, you seem to like the sisters a lot better). Remember what happened to the prophet on the road killed by a lion because he did not do what the Lord commanded. That is my lesson to you, sir.

LOL, I figured that would warm you up. editor-in -chief, english professor, english major, or is it a "linguistics major' Well concerning sin, "I am still a sinner" and what does a sinner do? I sinner, sins. Committing sins does not make a sinner, I person sins because they are a sinner. I do remember the Prophet on the road, for it is "Holy Scripture" and the Word of GOD lives in us. It is a book to others but lives in us. And I do remember The Apostle who got His arms and legs pulled apart by "wild Horses" and the one's who got their "Heads Chopped off with a ax" and the ones who got Burn up at the "stakes". and the one's who got boiled alive in "Hot Oil"! and the Ones torn apart by "Wild beasts". Is it not amazing, how the one's who are "Martyr's for Christ who die the most violent of Deaths are "God's superstars" "Polycrap," " Athanasius contra mundum" Coram Deo "Post Tenebras Lux".

 

[Brad Huber]

LOL, I figured that would warm you up. editor-in -chief, english professor, english major, or is it a "linguistics major' Well concerning sin, "I am still a sinner" and what does a sinner do? I sinner, sins. Committing sins does not make a sinner, I person sins because they are a sinner. I do remember the Prophet on the road, for it is "Holy Scripture" and the Word of GOD lives in us. It is a book to others but lives in us. And I do remember The Apostle who got His arms and legs pulled apart by "wild Horses" and the one's who got their "Heads Chopped off with a ax" and the ones who got Burn up at the "stakes". and the one's who got boiled alive in "Hot Oil"! and the Ones torn apart by "Wild beasts". Is it not amazing, how the one's who are "Martyr's for Christ who die the most violent of Deaths are "God's superstars" "Polycrap," " Athanasius contra mundum" Coram Deo "Post Tenebras Lux".

Polycarp, not Polycrap. I hated english in school, dont know any language but english, but I did excel at math, history, probably 1 or 2 other fields. I have no doubt you have greater command of scripture than I, but my two strong suits in my christian life is faith and hope. Thats two of the three greatest things we can have. I have love also, but just a normal amount I think. But with an unusual amount of the other two, its made my life sort of special in spiritual things. Because of my lack of scriptural studies (unlike many here), I can simply "taste" the truth and then act upon it, if the Lord tells me to. But once I know the truth of a matter, I often have to find the backing in scripture which isnt easy for me (poor vision).

 

[Sue D.]

@Brad Huber -- The Holy Spirit does give us discernment about what 'sounds right' as others share their insights. I've been in Bible all my life and know the truth when I hear it. And sometimes it Is hard / challenging to share where I find backing for what I Do believe / based on what Scripture says.

There Are some posters who think they have Lots of knowledge /insight above and beyond the 'rest of us'. And it can be frustrating to be 'sermonized' at. That's been happening with you lately and myself some time back.

 

[Brad Huber]

@Brad Huber -- The Holy Spirit does give us discernment about what 'sounds right' as others share their insights. I've been in Bible all my life and know the truth when I hear it. And sometimes it Is hard / challenging to share where I find backing for what I Do believe / based on what Scripture says.

There Are some posters who think they have Lots of knowledge /insight above and beyond the 'rest of us'. And it can be frustrating to be 'sermonized' at. That's been happening with you lately and myself some time back.

Yes, and knowledge is good, knowledge of scripture is better yet. But the pharisees, saducees, and teachers of the law from the time of Jesus were VERY knowledgeable about scripture (albeit OT), and yet, that wasnt enough obviously. I hope we can all learn from this lesson scripture teaches us.

 

[Sue D.]

@Brad Huber -- having a lot of knowledge / Bible or otherwise / Is good -- but how that knowledge is used / applied -- wisdom is involved. If a person chooses to use their knowledge in a 'puffed-up' manner -- then no one really wants to hear it. But when a person shares that knowledge in a ' sharing' manner, people are more likely To listen. And That should be our objective.

All Scripture is given for the benefit of our learning -- continual learning on everyone's part.

And there Are those who feel that as long as they Are using / quoting God's Word and even using the KJV -- anything they say or the way they apply it is okay. AFter all --God's Word is all true. The context Of the passage is as important if not More important than the verse being quoted.

I'm getting 'preachie'

 

[Yennee]

1 st I am going to correct you, in "Biblical Truth" for I do know how to read. How The "Holy Scriptures" "The Original Copied Manuscript". That Has been translated into The English Language to produce a "Reliable" of a near as possible with readable clarity, a word for word Translation, For you have fell into a "Horrible Error" in reading and Translating a portion of "Biblical Truth" which has "Contaiminated the whole Loaf". Now I must explain the gravity of your error.

Sue D. You have mis quoted "Genesis 2:17" , That God had said: "If he did" , God never said 'IF' !
You said:
" God told Adam first and then Eve to not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil / Genesis 2:16-17. because if he Did, then he'd surely die."
God Never said: "If"! And I Know you still don't understand, and it is right before your eyes, and no amount of The Presentaion will open your eyes that you can see, Unless the Love God Almight open your eyes that you may see. for your vision is in the hands of GOD!


Berean Study Bible
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

New American Standard Bible
but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

New King James Version
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

So I will not get into a argument with you, "for God is The One who is going to Judge the Quick and The Dead. And All the False "Prophets and Teachers" who He have not sent. and it will not be Pretty, If any one thinks we can teach what we want too and say what our own hearts desires and Jesus is not going to do nothing to us! You do not Know The FATHER! Just because we wear and carry the "Christian Banners" that we are not going to be Judge By GOD the FATHER! The ones who does not fear GOD, they say and do anything, and think, these things are not serious! And Think lightly of sins. We all have been warn, we have No excuse.

And another correction, when expressing "Biblical Truth" and a True Child of Knows this, we never teach what we "FeeL", we teach what we Believe the Bible is saying, That is why we are called "Believers in Christ" we believer the "Word of GOD". even The Things we don't understand that is written between it's
pages, The Pages of "The Original Copied Text".

Proverbs 28:26
He who trusts in himself is a fool, but one who walks in wisdom will be safe.

Jeremiah 9:23
This is what the LORD says: "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, nor the strong man in his strength, nor the wealthy man in his riches.

New American Standard 1977
Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And do not lean on your own understanding.

May The Lord God, open all of our eyes that we may see, that we may see, and see "The Truth"!

I have felt spiritually admonished for wanting to masturbate after being aroused from molestation. I have felt spiritually admonished from masturbating under the belief that I'd burn in hell if I got married (taught by Mom), and that it was "better to masturbate than to burn in hell." I have felt spiritually admonished over masturbating instead of doing chores, over thinking fornication or adulterous type thoughts, and even over doing it at times and in places inappropriate or inconvenient to others nearby. I have even felt admonished over how I masturbate.

However, I have honestly been able to masturbate with a clear conscience, praising YAH, and contemplating nothing nor visualizing anything, or imagining what it would be like to have a husband when I have not one, and don't know if I ever will, though I'm a nearly 31 year old virgin of men (I was apparently raped by our dog at late 10, early 11).

How, if only at times, am I able to masturbate in clear spiritual conscience, even while on a spiritual high, with all my works of the day being blessed, and praising YAH all the day long, and even asking if I may before doing so? Also, sex within marriage is not counted as living in the flesh, yet it can be done sinfully (ex: rape, bondage, denying the other pleasure).

I know most masturbation includes porn, yearning for fornication or adultry, or unnatural perversions, and even blasphemous teachings. However, in those times I have not had these in my heart, and the time was appropriate, I did not feel admonished, and I felt I could praise YAH wholeheartedly without constraint or shame. It may be rare, but it's been real.

What is one to do if they cannot marry in righteousness unto a True Believer (rather than a cultist in disguise) for decades? I'm 30, and many Christians aren't marrying until their 40s, and even the bible has examples of this, such as Isaac. Most arguments I see discuss married couples enduring long separation, such as from military deploy, or long sickness or affliction. Hardly does anyone provide comfort, support, reassurance, or alternatives for the single persons, of whom suffer most!


Who here has lived to 30 or 40 years old before they were first wed, and never masturbated?

 

[Yennee]

Masturbation is not discussed in the Bible.
But lusting after a woman is shown as even the smallest breaking of the law.
My question is:
1) Is masturbation a sin for Christians?
2) If masturbation is a sin how so?
3) Is masturbation considered killing?

Actually, it's lusting after a woman when it is "adultry". The word used by our Savior implies that the holy covenant of marriage is being defiled and broken, meaning that either than man or woman doing the lifting is married, or that the one being lusted for is married.

In the case of neither being married, we have numerous examples in the bible of clear sexual and romantic yearning, prior to marriage, that is not a sin, but must be fulfilled in marriage with that individual and not as a vagrant who sleeps around (fornication). Which brings up another point: if 2 individuals, both unwed, have sex outside of marriage, they are to marry straight away! But it's not a sin until that moment of weakness extends to others, and vagrant taking of sexual partners ensues, making it fornication.

If you have sex, even once, you're getting married and staying loyal, or you are sinning. Period. But, you really ought to wait until the wedding night, when you are with someone you already trust, and to whom is loyal to you and you to them, that you would want to remain married until our Father calls one of you home.

And no sex workers either, neither directly nor indirectly (as through porn, all-girls, strippers, dancers, etc).

So, is it possible to masturbate, whether single or married, without fornication, committing adultery, neither idolatry ([insert famous person]), nor entertain perverted desires (children, animals, same-sex, dead bodies/vampires)?

1--2.) I cannot biblically condemn it outside the exhaustive plausibility of prevalence for other sins to be present and foundational.
3.) No, because both males and females do it, and simply spilling seed is not a sin, even as not being pregnant 100% of the time to avoid loss of the egg during menstruation is also not a sin.

Further, see:

Leviticus 15:16-18

16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. 17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. 18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

Deuteronomy gives a distinction, which Leviticus does not give. All scripture is inspired by YAH, and while the writers and readers are often flawed, YAH'S Word is not. Why clarify in one and not the other the matter of sleeping, when the former was the one the Levites were teaching everyone!? Furthermore, why is not masturbation condemned right here in these very verses which layout The Law? These people could *not* have been ignorant of such things as the existence of masturbation, yet no scripture outright condemns sexual yearning of itself, nor the emission of seed through orgasm by itself, as no sacrifice was needed, only washing for cleanliness sake.

Deuteronomy 23:10-11

10If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: 11But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.

I have a similar post of exhaustive detail asking the same thing, and giving all my attempts for or against as they come to mind:

Masturbation _ My Experiences, Scripture, and Concerns

Can masturbation be a sin? If you hurt or refuse to share pleasure with your spouse in bed, fulfilling only your own desires, is it then still holy? If you are lusting after someone you ought not to have, is it holy? If in your heart your imaginations break any of the commandments of YAH, is it...

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In the end, my conclusion is: sometimes it may not be.

 

[PloughBoy]

14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all yourbehavior; 16because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.” 17And if you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each man’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay upon earth;

So sometimes you would masturbate before the Throne of The Father and The Son is sitting on His right hand and it is not view as a sin right in directly in The Face of ALMIGHTY GOD! The World and host of Christians may do as they please for they do not belong to GOD as His Children for they are not under Covenant to conform to “Holiness and Sanctification” so they may masturbate as and where they please
But The True Sons of The Living GOD will never ask the Questions concerning masturbation is it lawful to do or is it a sin. For The True Sons of GOD has a FATHER who is loving and always instructing them in The ways of “Holiness and Sanctification” while holding their hand.
But of many Christian’s and others has not this relationship with The ALMIGHTY GOD and neither do they know HIM as FATHER. You can tell by the questions they ask. And by the speculations that proceeds from their mouths, so proudly they proclaim with no GODLY Fear.