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The entire fervor and debates over doctrine is a trap of the devil

Yes! Enxu you have raised a major point. Even of the Law it is written it is about the Spirit of the Law not the letter of the Law. Paul makes a good point when he reveals that the letter of the Law brings death but the Spirit of the Law brings life. The whole of the Law and Prophets hangs on LOVE. The Love of how we act before God and how we treat one another not the biological emotion influenced by oxytocin in the blood that is grows out of eros. The alleged unification of belief based on the majority's KNOWLEDGE caused much judgment and accusation beginning a continued downward slope bringing in its wake schism after schism. Worship only God and study prayerfully and let the Spirit lead you because at each level and place where we god the Lord is developing you specifically for His purpose for YOU as a part of His body here on earth. One may be an eye another a mouth another the feet of helping hands...IMHO denominations are divisive and destructive. I have learned having participated in many Churches that their are real children of God in each place and that there are also make-believers, denominationally convinced they are His but as Christ said to the 5 unwise virgins (who were of the Church) "I NEVER knew you"! Soif the Spirit of Christ be in you, love God with all your heart mind and strength, and love you neighbor as your self and you will do well...love one another as He has loved us and even love those that say all manner of things against you b ut by the above mentioned love it is not required you have an emotional feeling of "in love-ness" it is how you trat them through your love of God.
 
Hosea 4:6; My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.
 
In Scripture the church is compared to the human body -- every born again believer is given a spiritual gift to be used in the church - the local body of believers. Scripture Also gives guidelines for pastors/ elders - their qualifications -- which suggest their job description -- Christ being the head of the church -- then the pastor and then deacons, lots of churches , depending on the size of the congregation, also have a youth pastor, song leader, And the people who clean the church, treasurer. And, yes, they all have their job description. They do these jobs because they want to and sometimes there is pay involved and sometimes Not.

A church Does need to pay the people. Some pastors Are working outside of the church and some don't. Depends on the situation. But lights need to get paid for - use of the building. Nothing is free in this world. People Should be giving to the support Of the church because they Want to. No one should feel they are paying to go to church.

Tithing was instituted in the Old Testament. A tenth of your income. In the New Testament -- give as a person feels led to give. An offering basket is usually passed around -- no one is required to put in anything.

Jesus Christ was angry with people who were using God's house of worship for buying and selling and he over-turned their tables.

We give Back to God because He is the one who has given to us in the 1st place. It's not a means to earn His blessings -- though there Is some cause and effect involved. We will be blessed For giving out of love. 'Giving' can be helping missions both local and foreign. And we Could be seeing our neighborhood as our mission field. We Should be having that attitude towards people we live, work around.
Yes I agree, however I think we are both referring to a different view of things. If there is no real evidence of the Spirit at work amongst our gatherings, then we must have a good look as to why. The Lord bless you :)
 
The Church is made up of born again believers. The Holy Spirit is indwelling those people. There will be fruits of that in their individual lives which will be observed in their activities Within the church body.

What is the pastor Teaching? What are 'we' looking For as evidence Of His working amongst us. Some of this Might have to do with a lack of church discipline within the body. Morality / ethics. God won't be blessing when Biblical ethics / morality aren't being practiced.
 
The Church is made up of born again believers. The Holy Spirit is indwelling those people. There will be fruits of that in their individual lives which will be observed in their activities Within the church body.

What is the pastor Teaching? What are 'we' looking For as evidence Of His working amongst us. Some of this Might have to do with a lack of church discipline within the body. Morality / ethics. God won't be blessing when Biblical ethics / morality aren't being practiced.
Amen, the fruit of the flesh must be taken seriously and much seeking of the Lord to change our natural inclination to the obedience of the Holy Spirit and The fruit or the Spirit. Then the Glory of God can be released <3
 
I had just this conversation in another forum, basically said to stop arguing over manmade matters, and get yourselves right with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. As the time is coming where your going to have to make a choice, Jesus Christ or the devils ways, with this idolatrous world. Its one or the other, you cant have both. And you wont find the truth via mankind and satans deception. For that, I was banned from said forum!
 
So you're saying that the Holy Spirit told you to leave particular Forums.

Well -- the truth of God's Word Does need to be taught -- but sometimes the method Of can be as damaging as the false teaching. Sharing the truth in Love is a good plan.
 
So you're saying that the Holy Spirit told you to leave particuNo, lar Forums.

Well -- the truth of God's Word Does need to be taught -- but sometimes the method Of can be as damaging as the false teaching. Sharing the truth in Love is a good plan.
No, he didnt say that, he said to speak the truth. And I typed what I heard. Sadly very few are going to make it, even those who purport to be christians. The truth needs to be told
 
There's a very simple way of making sure of one's salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 -- believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried and rose again on the 3rd day -- according to Scripture - to be saved.

And Romans 10:9-10 Belief taking place in your heart and confession being made unto salvation.

Jesus Christ Is the Son of God. There is salvation through no other name.

There Are a lot of people with a head knowledge of God / Jesus Christ. But that's not enough. It has to go from your head to your heart. Personalizing salvation. Jesus Christ Did die for the world , but He died for 'me'. also.
 
This was a topic about the way to heaven basically, some were catholics, some were all for prosperity theology, some were even into new age practices. I tried to tell them none of that manmade theology will get them on the right path, only the gospel of Jesus Christ and the holy spirit will. They didnt want to hear that.
 
Some years ago I applied for membership in one of the largest RCC forums on internet. They accept Anyone -- of course with the intention of converting them to RCC. Well - I got on the doctrinal section and was asking about Scriptures relating to the virgin birth and the pope. After a short time -- I was warned in private of potentially being banned. And shortly there after I was. And, of course, they and no other group wants to have Scripture shared that contradicts their teachings. But there Are RCC people who Do start reading their Bible on their own -- they Do see salvation and they Do accept Christ. And they Do tend to gravitate to Baptist churches. We teach God's Word.
 
Hosea 4:6; My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.

Hosea 4:6 refers to knowledge as knowing God’s law. Knowing God’s law leads to righteousness, I never said to reject this. In fact, we are mandated to have knowledge of God’s law. I am talking about pursuing knowledge out of a heart of pride and using knowledge for selfish purposes, we are to reject that.

Why do you suppose atheists and heathens reject the true God and still claim to have knowledge? Because knowledge in their hands do not lead to righteousness, they pursue knowledge from pride and then use knowledge to serve themselves. They will never know God even if they have all the knowledge in the world!
 
This was a topic about the way to heaven basically, some were catholics, some were all for prosperity theology, some were even into new age practices. I tried to tell them none of that manmade theology will get them on the right path, only the gospel of Jesus Christ and the holy spirit will. They didnt want to hear that.

This refusal to hear the truth was prophesied long ago by apostle Paul, it is not a surprise.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
 
This was a topic about the way to heaven basically, some were catholics, some were all for prosperity theology, some were even into new age practices. I tried to tell them none of that manmade theology will get them on the right path, only the gospel of Jesus Christ and the holy spirit will. They didnt want to hear that.
The group you are referring to has cast off "the Gospel of Jesus Christ" through out "denominations" and do not know what the "Gospel of Jesus Christ" is. But has accepted "Moralistic Therapeutic Deism" taught by those who are "Nominal Christians" and some Christians who do not know what The Gospel of Jesus Christ is. So the "Gospel of Moralistic Therapeutic Deism" is now taught as the way to "Salvation". This is not new, man made theology! Through out biblical history this has been going on, remember "Christianity was the new kid on the block" Now people are regressing back to the old practices that once been, that even the Apostles battle, The church fathers even battle. But under different names: Now maybe we have reach that point "The "great falling away"
of "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." "Idol worship is so "High" and most chrisians do not know what idol worshipping is. Because they were never taught to recognize "modern day Idolatry" that comes in all kind of forms. by not really reading the whole Bible, counsel of GOD! That He might reveal it in "Jesus Christ" our Lord by The "Holy Spirit" relating it and illuminating it in the written Word. Now Things of "witchcraft", Greek Gods and Goddesses, Warlocks, and Readers', are so called ,base upon "Christian Principles" and accepted members are members of a lot of local churches! And those people are label honor church members. I know thousands of Churches, that has accepted these groups. And they Believe that "Moralistic Therapeutic Deism" is the teaching of "Jesus Christ"! For God is LOVE, For He loves the whole World, and there is no bad in Him. and Jesus died for everybody and just believe in Good works. and He is not the only way, Just be good!

Now they will not except this label: but by their actions and beliefs they fall into this category. and laid it down as "Christian Principles". therefore, the road to salvation.

Finally, Doctrine used to be a problem, There is a New Kid on the Block! "Moralistic Therapeutic Deism" The battle is not "Doctrine' anymore, we have grown way beyond that, [that battle is like the Ancient "Revolutionary WAR", We have enter into "Drone, Internet, and Artificial Intelligence" Airspace" Man by "The Millennials" and "Generation Z" for they are the product that we have created. "train up a child in a way they should go' and they will not depart"! For we have put The Kool-Aid in their punch! And most of us, has a beam in our own eyes and trying to take the speck out of another"!

And The "prophecy is coming tp pass"


(Isaiah 3).
4“I will make mere youths their officials;
children will rule over them.”
5People will oppress each other—
man against man, neighbor against neighbor.
The young will rise up against the old,
the nobody against the honored.

12Youths oppress my people,
women rule over them.
My people, your guides lead you astray;
they turn you from the path.
13The Lord takes his place in court;
he rises to judge the people.
14The Lord enters into judgment
against the elders and leaders of his people:
“It is you who have ruined my vineyard;
the plunder from the poor is in your houses.
15What do you mean by crushing my people
and grinding the faces of the poor?”

declares the Lord, the Lord Almighty.

16The Lord says,
“The women of Zion are haughty,
walking along with outstretched necks,
flirting with their eyes,
strutting along with swaying hips,
with ornaments jingling on their ankles.
17Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion;
the Lord will make their scalps bald.”

18In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, 19the earrings and bracelets and veils, 20the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, 21the signet rings and nose rings, 22the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses 23and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.

24Instead of fragrance there will be a stench;
instead of a sash, a rope;
instead of well-dressed hair, baldness;
instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;
instead of beauty, branding.
25Your men will fall by the sword,
your warriors in battle.
26The gates of Zion will lament and mourn;
destitute, she will sit on the ground.


The Land do not believe this is coming.
But they will claim everything else in the Bible. But "JOB" and his wife, said this:
(JOB 2).
9Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

"Let The Word of GOD dwell in you Richly" for there is no hiding place and if we try to hide from it in this life, it will find us in death, it will sure catch up with us even in Hell. It will sure come to pass. If you believe in GOD believe this too, He will raise you from the grave, just to condemn you to Hell and cast you into "The Lake that burns with a unquenchable Fire" For The Bible says: our "GOD is A Consuming Fire"!
 
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I had just this conversation in another forum, basically said to stop arguing over manmade matters, and get yourselves right with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. As the time is coming where your going to have to make a choice, Jesus Christ or the devils ways, with this idolatrous world. Its one or the other, you cant have both. And you wont find the truth via mankind and satans deception. For that, I was banned from said forum!
Read Matthew 24 as if Jesus was referring to the end days 'church'. I've been pushed out of churches due to my prophetic gifting,even though I was a leader. The reason this happened was I was a threat to peoples 'ministries' which were idols to the people. All the truth came out in the years afterwards. The 'leaders' aren't even in ministry anymore and I'd question their faith as to how real it is to them now. I believe this is where God is in this day-read Psalm 50 and pay special attention to verse 21. The enemy is rife within the western world church, in it's systems and through fruit of the flesh that is not taken seriously, Blessings
 
The entire fervor and debates over doctrine is a trap of the devil

"Debate" is a characteristic of the reprobate mind.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. -- Romans 1:28-32
 
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