How can a person know God the Father and God the Son, according to "The Bible"? expound please with clarity.

[PloughBoy]

We all have seen HIS declaration work, for i am not speaking in that sort. For i have looked upon the declaration work of "Raphael" but I don't know him. I know who my president is, in these "United States of America" but I really don't know him. Personally I really don't think we can know anybody but only up to a certain extent. And that is kinda scary. Female or male, both of these creatures are deadly and has earn the title as "APEX"Super Predator"! [ i have a lot to say about that and God, but for another "thread if possible].

 

[Samson2020]

Well according to the Bible you can only come to know the Son if the Father calls you. Then if the Son chooses to reveal the Father to you he will and both will
dwell with you. As the mind changes from carnality to that of a son of God then you will understand both the Father and the Son as they are in agreement as to
the fulfillment of the Fathers will, and so will those that know them.
There is no greater calling of God than to know them both because as Jesus put it "This is life eternal that they may know THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus
Christ, whom thou hast sent." Pretty sure this is our only goal, at least it is mine. As we come to know them, we come to understand agape love that both have for
us, and are themselves, and eventually we respond with love toward them and the rest of his children, chosen yet or not, as we are transformed into the same image
of the first born Son. Patience required!

 

[Sue D.]

If it were simply a matter of the Father and Son deciding to indwell a person and then the person could grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ then Everyone would automatically Be saved. But it doesn't happen that way.
It's the Holy Spirit that convicts a person of their sinfulness -- and it's up to the individual to accept or reject. And God because of His omniscience does know who will or who won't.

 

[PloughBoy]

If it is up to the individual to reject or accept that is by works, a person has to work for His or her salvation. Then God gives him a pay check for what that person has done. He or she receives a reward for what they have done. And so a man can boast. Is what you are saying.

Apostle Paul didn't even believe and hated Jesus and he got saved. God knock him down blinded him and dragged him off to Damascus and put him in a room for I think three days. What is up with that?

And how God knows who is going to except Him or not, and long it took him to realize who was going to except him?

 

[Sue D.]

The Holy Spirit convicts and the person responds To that conviction by either accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior or they reject Him. That has nothing to do with 'works' For our personal salvation.

Your account of Paul's encounter with God on the road to Damascus - especially what followed -- is a bit scewed. But feel free to read it again yourself.

 

[PloughBoy]

The Holy Spirit convicts and the person responds To that conviction by either accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior or they reject Him. That has nothing to do with 'works' For our personal salvation.

Your account of Paul's encounter with God on the road to Damascus - especially what followed -- is a bit scewed. But feel free to read it again yourself.

Is that what the Bible says?
The Holy Spirit convicts and the person responds To that conviction by either accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior or they reject Him. That has nothing to do with 'works' For our personal salvation.

The thread said according to the Bible. So expound your clarity with NT thought. Take your time and think about. And address it again for us. Using sound doctrine the cannot be refluted.

 

[Sue D.]

I got that From the Bible -- God's Word. Feel free to do your own research.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue, concerning how I was addressing "Paul's pathway to conversion is describing a mere translation of a miraculous conversion in a form of hyperbole, in which it is not strange in the "Holy Scripture". For "Holy Scripture" is full of the language of imagery, hyperbole, similes, parables, metaphors, motifs, For not only is "The Word of God" living, it makes us, His children come alive with excitement as we engage in His truth!
But now a days the translations are becoming so soft and adulterated for people who cannot discern closely related translated text of the "Oringinal Copied" text, by reason also, the words of the original text is to offensive and too harsh and taxing for the modern day reader. So in essence, some translations has lost some of the flavor and aroma, vehemence in the attributed language of GOD. But God in His mercy and truth, have made it still possible for some to still capture the true essence of His divine Word in His Written Word by the guidance of His Spirit into the Written Truth that guides us to the "Revealed Truth" which is "Eternal"

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue, concerning how I was addressing "Paul's pathway to conversion is describing a mere translation of a miraculous conversion in a form of hyperbole, in which it is not strange in the "Holy Scripture". For "Holy Scripture" is full of the language of imagery, hyperbole, similes, parables, metaphors, motifs, For not only is "The Word of God" living, it makes us, His children come alive with excitement as we engage in His truth!
But now a days the translations are becoming so soft and adulterated for people who cannot discern closely related translated text of the "Oringinal Copied" text, by reason also, the words of the original text is to offensive and too harsh and taxing for the modern day reader. So in essence, some translations has lost some of the flavor and aroma, vehemence in the attributed language of GOD. But God in His mercy and truth, have made it still possible for some to still capture the true essence of His divine Word in His Written Word by the guidance of His Spirit into the Written Truth that guides us to the "Revealed Truth" which is "Eternal"

 

[Sue D.]

I'm not going to get into a discussion with you about this. Someone else can.

 

[Samson2020]

I'm not going to get into a discussion with you about this. Someone else can.

He is, I think, merely trying to say Sauls conversion wasn't a Holy Ghost conviction. It was a voice from heaven that asked him why he was persecuting the
Lords people. There wasn't an acceptance or refusal of what had happened to him as he was, I would say, scared until he understood why it happened.
Saul had always been zealous for the Lord in what he thought was the proper thing to do not understanding something new and better had come that
was higher than the law of Moses. Saul being zealous, when he finally understood what had happened and that Jesus was risen from the dead gladly
embraced his given role as a chosen vessel to proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom and preach Christ crucified, and resurrected. People normally do not
get that kind of a wake up call, but more blessed is he that can believe without seeing, than he that must see to believe. In Sauls case he both saw and
heard before he received the Holy Ghost.