The church is being deceived to believe in a dual natured false Messiah and they do not know!

[Sue D.]

So you feel that since you found some Scripture that says 'something' that That makes the trinity False? Nope -- That does Not negate the Truth of Scripture.

While Jesus Christ was here on earth -- He said they were equal. His Word is Truth.

the Trinity / Godhead = God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. They all work together, in unity. To give us salvation.

YOU are saying that a word is a mistranslation and Should read Your way.

What it sounds like -- is that because you've come from a very rough start in life and God Has delivered you from a nasty situation. You kind of 'over-react' to what God's Word is saying. Or what you Think/ Feel it's saying.

You've thrown yourself into studying Scripture -- which is fine, you should be. You're a very intelligent young woman. But, Please, be teachable.

 

[Enxu]

So you feel that since you found some Scripture that says 'something' that That makes the trinity False? Nope -- That does Not negate the Truth of Scripture.

While Jesus Christ was here on earth -- He said they were equal. His Word is Truth.

the Trinity / Godhead = God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. They all work together, in unity. To give us salvation.

YOU are saying that a word is a mistranslation and Should read Your way.

What it sounds like -- is that because you've come from a very rough start in life and God Has delivered you from a nasty situation. You kind of 'over-react' to what God's Word is saying. Or what you Think/ Feel it's saying.

You've thrown yourself into studying Scripture -- which is fine, you should be. You're a very intelligent young woman. But, Please, be teachable.

Sometimes I wonder if my post is even read. I already showed that the trinity doctrine is false and that the Roman Catholic Church even changed the baptism formula of “in the name of Jesus” to the trinity false formula. Yet you assert that it is scriptural.

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[VisionSeeker]

First, let me make clear what I believe about our true Lord Jesus Christ.

His divinity - Before He became a Man, He was the divine Word, the only begotten Son from the bosom of the Father. I fully acknowledge and believe in His divinity as the I AM of the Old Testament. His very essence was Spirit in the Old Testament and He is divine BECAUSE He was Spirit then. I also fully believe that at the moment He was resurrected to life, He again was divine in His essence and now is our God and Savior as spoken in the New Testament by His apostles.

His Manhood - For 30+ years up till the point He died, He gave up His divine essence and took on the form of flesh and blood. He never had both spirit (divine) and flesh in His essence as a Man because it is both against Scriptures and reality! He was the first Man to have the Spirit of God dwelling fully in flesh, which Paul writes about in Colossians 2. But the Spirit of God here is the Spirit or Deity talked about by Paul is from the divine Father who descended upon Him like a dove when He came out of the water!

In fact, the reality that Jesus’ apostles called Him a Man when they preached meant that when He was a Man, He was only flesh and blood in His essence!

So many Gospel verses testify to this:

Acts 2:22 Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a MAN attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know—

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus

Romans 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one MAN, Jesus Christ!

1 Corinthians 15:20-22 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by MAN came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Amen... I truly praise GOD ALMIGHTY for others that know the pure truth.. GOD is the Alpha and the Omega.. The beginning an the end.. it's so wonderful to see other believers know that the old testament is just as real an alive today as the new testament.... So many think the old testament. Is no longer of value. So not true... GOD never changes. Man does an changed many of GODS laws an Holy days. Yes his word speaks this.. but I personally live thru GODS word from the beginning to the end... Thank U my brother in CHRIST for sharing the truth... May GOD'S HOLY peace be upon U an your precious family

 

[VisionSeeker]

So you feel that since you found some Scripture that says 'something' that That makes the trinity False? Nope -- That does Not negate the Truth of Scripture.

While Jesus Christ was here on earth -- He said they were equal. His Word is Truth.

the Trinity / Godhead = God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. They all work together, in unity. To give us salvation.

YOU are saying that a word is a mistranslation and Should read Your way.

What it sounds like -- is that because you've come from a very rough start in life and God Has delivered you from a nasty situation. You kind of 'over-react' to what God's Word is saying. Or what you Think/ Feel it's saying.

You've thrown yourself into studying Scripture -- which is fine, you should be. You're a very intelligent young woman. But, Please, be teachable.

I read your post. First of all may GOD bless U. . We must remember that JESUS gives each of us difference understanding but the same meaning... Man. Did change GODS Holy days an laws.. . Also everyone is able to learn from one another. We all must ask GOD for his Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding before reading his word. I thank U Sue for sharing. May the peace of the LORD be upon U. Wow I praise JESUS for such beautiful folks an a awesome place to come enjoy worship if our LORD .. may we all stay in peace an respectful of each other. All our thoughts matter.

 

[Enxu]

Till now the following Scriptures are blatantly ignored to support the theory that Jesus was a hybrid God-Man during His 30+ years on earth.

Acts 2:22 Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a MAN attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know—

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus

Romans 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one MAN, Jesus Christ!

1 Corinthians 15:20-22 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by MAN came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

It is more and more clear now why most will worship the antichrist, who will indeed be a hybrid spirit-flesh false messiah who will even show that he is god and man (ie. part spirit and part man). May God our Father and Lord Jesus Christ save those who truly love the truth from this great delusion.

 

[Enxu]

Let me also make myself clear that while I don’t believe in the trinity man made doctrine, I don’t judge people’s salvation based on this, even though some judge me to be unsaved. Even people who are truly born again can be deceived by false doctrines, but one thing I myself do is always be ready to change beliefs that are false no matter how convincing they seem. I did at one point believe in the trinity until I consistently saw only two Persons mentioned in the Gospel with regards to who are involved in salvation of mankind, Father and the only Begotten Son, God and the Lamb, God our Father and Lord Jesus Christ.

It is historical fact that the original baptism was done “in the name of Jesus Christ” but the Roman Catholic Church changed it to “in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” later on. This new trinity baptism formula essentially makes baptism void because the Gospel said clearly only by the name of Jesus are we saved. Yet their false trinity baptism formula totally removes the name Jesus from the act of baptism, if that is not sinister I don’t know what is. Matthew 28:19 was deceptively added/changed along with all other verses that talk about the trinity by the Roman Catholic Church at least 200 years after the church was founded by Jesus Christ. If you don’t believe it, please do your own research.

In the book of revelations, the devil is seen to deceive mankind by his unholy trinity: dragon, beast and false prophet.

The antichrist spirit had already prepared the world to be deceived by the long-standing pagan trinity doctrine in all other religions that don’t acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God. We ought to be careful therefore what we believe and the origins of every doctrine that claims to be Christian.

 

[Sue D.]

Yes, there Is the satanic trinity -- we are to stay away From that. But it sounds like you're equating 'a' trinity with The Godhead/ Trinity.

One of the RCC beliefs is in infant sprinkling. That is no where in Scripture.

And, yes, there Is but One name given to us in order to be Saved. It is Jesus Christ.

The pagan trinity you're referring to Is the satanic trinity. And, yes, that Is evil. And That is what the future lake of fire and brimstone / Forever/ is intended For. It is a counterfeit trinity,

The True / God's Word / trinity / Godhead = God the Father / Jesus Christ His Son / the Holy Spirit. They are All vital in / to / our salvation.

 

[Curtis]

Sometimes I wonder if my post is even read. I already showed that the trinity doctrine is false

The Godhead and the triune nature of God as Father, Son, Holy Spirit are the same.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[Curtis]

I already showed that the trinity doctrine is false and that the Roman Catholic Church

Was Jesus Catholic? All translations of the Bible use the exact same words as in the KJV Bible.
Which translation are you using?

Jesus said.....

(AMPC) Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(Darby) Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit;

(EMTV) Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(GW) So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

(ISV) Therefore, as you go, disciple people in all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(JUB) Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

(LITV) Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(Murdock) Go ye, therefore, and instruct all nations; and baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

(NAS77) "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

(NASB) "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

(NET.) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

(NET) Therefore go27 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit

(NIrV) So you must go and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

(NIV) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(NIV84) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(NLT) Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(RV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost:

(TNIV) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(WEB) Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(WEBA) Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(Webster) Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

(Weymouth) Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations; baptize them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit;

(Williams) Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptize them into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(YLT) having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them—to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

 

[Enxu]

The Holy Spirit never had the name Jesus, so what then is the name shared by all three according to the trinity? Even the Scriptures don’t have the answer! So the act of baptism, which was originally in the name of Jesus, now became baptism in an unknown name! That sure sounds sinister because Gospel clearly said we are to be saved ONLY by the name of Jesus Christ/YAHUSHUA! So why was the name Jesus, such an important name removed from the trinity formula??? Hmm???

 

[Curtis]

The Holy Spirit never had the name Jesus, so what then is the name shared by all three according to the trinity? Even the Scriptures don’t have the answer! So the act of baptism, which was originally in the name of Jesus, now became baptism in an unknown name! That sure sounds sinister because Gospel clearly said we are to be saved ONLY by the name of Jesus Christ/YAHUSHUA! Why was the name Jesus removed from the trinity formula???

Everybody knows that answer it is...............wait for it.............."Holy Spirit"

The Holy Spirit is also known as.......

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Comforter also means.....

Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby

What "name" did Jesus say to baptize in? Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[Enxu]

Evidence that Matthew 28:19 “in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” was spuriously added:

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

In ALL 29 translations of Acts 2:38, Peter taught that baptism is in the name of Jesus. But Matthew 28:19 says in the name shared by the trinity.

Question: where in the Scripture does it say the name of the Father is ALSO Jesus Christ? And where does it say the name of the Holy Spirit is ALSO Jesus Christ?? Nowhere! The baptism into the trinity is therefore baptism into an unknown name!

 

[Enxu]

Proof that the Holy Spirit is not an actual person

In certain languages like Hebrew, Greek or French, words itself (whether they describe an actual person or an item) can have masculine or feminine terms. In the Bible, Wisdom is personified as she but that doesn’t make Wisdom an actual person in the real sense like you and me! In French, the word book is called livre and when referring to it by pronoun it would be translated in English as he or him. But clearly you would never call a book “he”

I’ll now post all the evidence that the Holy Spirit, although translated as “he”, is not an actual person. Do your own research to find out the truth.

In the Old Testament, in Hebrew, Spirit is called ruach and is referred to with feminine pronouns. Is the Spirit of God now a “she” based on this? Of course not! In the Greek language the term Helper is a masculine word called parakletos, yet such a word should not simply be translated as he or him on its own!

It is grammatically incorrect to translate Hebrew, Greek or French texts into he or she without reference to an actual person. Or else we would translate a French sentence about a book into an English sentence that looks something like “I will look for the book so I can read HIM”!

Bible verses that show the Holy Spirit is NOT an actual person and should in fact be translated as “it” and “which” rather than “he” or “who”:

Matthew 10:20 KJV
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Matthew 10:20 American King James For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you.

Matthew 10:20 American Standard For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.

Matthew 10:20 Douay Rheims
For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.

Matthew 10:20 Darby
For ye are not the speakers, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you.

Matthew 10:20 English Revised
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.

Matthew 10:20 Young Literals
for ye are not the speakers, but the Spirit of your Father that is speaking in you.

Romans 8:6 KJV
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:6 Darby
The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are children of God.

Romans 8:6 American King James The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:6 Webster
The Spirit itself testifieth with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:26 KJV
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Romans 8:26 American King James Likewise the Spirit also helps our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Romans 8:26 Darby
And in like manner the Spirit joins also its help to our weakness; for we do not know what we should pray for as is fitting, but the Spirit itself makes intercession with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Romans 8:26 Webster
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

1 Peter 1:11 KJV
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

1 Peter 1:11 Jubilee 2000
searching when and in what point of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, which announced beforehand the afflictions that were to come upon the Christ, and the glory that should follow them.

1 Peter 1:11 American King James Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

1 Peter 1:11 American Standard
searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point unto, when it testifiedbeforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow them.

1 Peter 1:11 Douay Rheims
Searching what or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ in them did signify: when it foretold those sufferings that are in Christ, and the glories that should follow:

1 Peter 1:11 Darby
searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ which [was] in them pointed out, testifying before of the sufferings which [belonged] to Christ, and the glories after these.

1 Peter 1:11 English Re
searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point unto, when it testifiedbeforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow them.

1 Peter 1:11 Webster
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

 

[Curtis]

where in the Scripture does it say the name of the Father is Jesus Christ? And where does it say the name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ??

Nowhere! The Father is NOT Jesus Christ, neither is the Holy Spirit Jesus Christ, yet they are one God.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus Christ (the Word of God) prayed to his Father, not to himself! The Father is the one who sends the Holy Spirit not himself or Jesus who he had already sent! The Father sent his Son, not himself to die for man. The Holy Spirit helps us pray not to himself but to God the Father.

You can “lie” to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is called God!!!

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.


Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

You can sin against Jesus (the Son of Man) and be forgiven, but no one can be forgiven who sins against the Holy Spirit, who is NOT Jesus, or the Heavenly Father!!!

 

[Enxu]

Yes, there Is the satanic trinity -- we are to stay away From that. But it sounds like you're equating 'a' trinity with The Godhead/ Trinity.

One of the RCC beliefs is in infant sprinkling. That is no where in Scripture.

And, yes, there Is but One name given to us in order to be Saved. It is Jesus Christ.

The pagan trinity you're referring to Is the satanic trinity. And, yes, that Is evil. And That is what the future lake of fire and brimstone / Forever/ is intended For. It is a counterfeit trinity,

The True / God's Word / trinity / Godhead = God the Father / Jesus Christ His Son / the Holy Spirit. They are All vital in / to / our salvation.

No, the devil isn’t counterfeiting the trinity. The trinity is a widely taught pagan doctrine in all pagan religions that reject Jesus as the Messiah, God in the flesh and Son of God.

Jesus said the devil is the FATHER of lies and there is NO TRUTH in him.

Yet according to you, the devil taught the truth about deity to all pagans. Huh??? How come Satan can teach the truth about God to unbelievers all of a sudden when there is no truth in him?

 

[Enxu]

The Father’s name is not Jesus, the Holy Spirit’s name is not Jesus. So what is the name shared by the trinity? Unknown! Yet the trinity baptism formula talks about this name without saying what it is!

John 14:26 is not about baptism and proves nothing about what name is used during the trinity baptism!

 

[Enxu]

Those verses quoted only shows that Holy Spirit is not an actual independent person but rather the Spirit of God our Father! That is why blasphemy and lying to the Spirit is equivalent to lying and blaspheming God!

 

[Curtis]

The trinity is a widely taught pagan doctrine in all pagan

You have it backward. The triune nature of God is clearly taught in scripture, but only those seeking truth will find it. Trying to logical analytically discover this will never be found unless a person is truly seeking the truth.

Joh 7:17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

 

[Enxu]

I’ve posted as much doubts about what I don’t believe and evidence as I could about why I believe what I believe. Don’t take my word for it, seek the truth for yourselves. This discussion will stop now. Thanks all.

 

[Enxu]

You have it backward. The triune nature of God is clearly taught in scripture, but only those seeking truth will find it. Trying to logical analytically discover this will never be found unless a person is truly seeking the truth.

Joh 7:17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

Ok time will reveal the truth, let time speak. God knows indeed whether I seek the truth or not.