Were the Early Christians Roman Catholic

[Beresheet]

Funny you would pick up on that Morgan influence BAC. I was raised up in a A Latter Day Saint Church. I was young and as I got older broke away and started studying the KJB. Mormans used the KJB also. They also had the Book of Mormon. Never really made a serious study of it but there is something to the Book of Mormon. They have located and uncovered old civilizations in South America from the info in the book. I just stay with the King James Bible only. Don’t use any other version of the KJB cause those other versions don’t line up with the Strongs Exhaustive Concordance. The KJB and the Strongs are a brother sister set. Every word in the KJB are in the Strongs. You can take every English word in the Bible right back into the original language. Things really clear up on what is being said when you take it back into the original language.

Sue I get all my facts out of the KJB. It’s all in how you understand it. You read it and say Adam was the first man created. I read it and understand that Adam was the last man FORMED, and God done something special in that He took a rib from Adam and made Eve, creating that perfect couple from which Jesus Christ would be born onto this earth.

You wonder where I get all the things I talk about and I tell you I get them out of the KJB. You read the KJB or some interpretation of it and I wonder why you can’t see the things I see.

Sue, Adams family are the start of the Adamic race, Gods chosen people, Israelites, Hebrews, Jews. Your just not making or seeing the connection for some reason.

It’s like you see a rapture in Gods word and I don’t. I know there is a gathering back to Christ but it’s not through a rapture. A rapture would break Gods law of free will and you know that God will not go against any of His laws. No one is going nowhere, Christ is coming here. Why would a Christian want to fly away and miss out on one the greatest stands they could make for God. God makes it very clear that His people will be delivered up before the false christ to witness against the anti christ. God tells when this event occurs, to take no thought of what you would say but to remain silent and the Holy Spirit would speak through those delivered up. And what the Holy Spirit says at that time will be a eye opener. What a bold act one could make for God. Now why would a strong bold Christian want to run from this monumental task for God.

 

[Sue D.]

Beresheet -- without looking it up -- I'm thinking that Mormanism comes from Joseph Smith. And That is the Latter Day's Saints Church. I did just look it up. You're still strong with Mormon beliefs even though you've left their church. And , yes, they do use the KJV along With the Book of Mormon. And That is where you get your beliefs about a pre-Adamic race.

For a true believer -- it's God's Word + absolutely NOTHING else. God's Word only. Doesn't even need to be the KJV. NAS also works as does the NKJV.

It has been said that what a person grows up with , stays with them for a Long time.

Well , yes, the Strong's Exhaustive concordance Does line up best with the KJV. I have one here at home. The Greek and Hebrew. Goes back to the root words and their pronunciation , spelling, meanings.

And, you are mixing the FACTS of Adam and Eve with the Mormon interpretation of it.

I have the NKJV And my husband's KJV which happens to be packed up. My moving has been delayed for a while. I broke my ankle a week ago tomorrow. I'm in a wheelchair for a month. No walking or driving.

God's Word STILL says that Adam was the 1st man Created.

There ARE others who don't see a 'rapture' in the Bible. It's because That word is Not in the Bible. But the description of it IS. The gathering up of the saints / born-again believers/ by Jesus Christ both the dead and those living at that time when it Does happen. It is a future happening.

The only people Being raptured up In the future ARE born-again believers. Because OF their free-will , people Do accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.

And, at some time in the future -- Christ Will return to this earth and Will reign here for 1,000 years.

You are Also talking about the 7 yr tribulation period of time. But believers will have been gathered up Before that happens. And it's true that not everyone agrees with the timing of that.

And you Do have some Mormonistic beliefs mixed in there. Their beliefs about the 144,000 who are sent to minister during those 7 years. Those 144,000 people are Jews who are sent throughout the world to witness / evangelize Jews who have been left behind after the rapture.

Born-again believers have a monumental task right NOW. 'We' have been told to share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen. There is to be No forcing the Gospel on to anyone.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Sister @Sue D.
Sorry to hear about your accident with the ankle. Praying for quick healing for you.
If you're like my wife was. A wheelchair might be the only way to slow her down......well maybe

Also, hope the move goes on without a hitch. Been there quite a few times, and know how much of a mad house experience it can be.

God bless and be safe.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

Born-again believers have a monumental task right NOW. 'We' have been told to share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen. There is to be No forcing the Gospel on to anyone.

Amen!

 

[Sue D.]

@Christ4Ever -- Good morning -- I was about to respond to your post when You're came up.

As for the 'slowing me down' thing. This wheelchair definitely Is. My house is Not wheelchair 'friendly'. We built it 28 yrs ago in stages -- the center is fine, but the side rooms are a hair off in their levelness. Most of these differences don't make any difference in daily living. But, add a wheelchair to the mix and life gets Complicated. And I'm on pier and beam and the ground Does shift at times, So. Some frustrations involved. And getting in and out of the house--- That is Another story.

Your thoughts / prayer Are appreciated.

 

[Sue D.]

Beresheet -- whether or not you remember learning it from the Mormon church -- when you were growing up -- that's what they do believe.

We've already gone over this material that you're presently again -- part of what you're sharing is found in the book of Job.

You're also including some evolution -- the millions of years , thing.

There's really no point in going over all of this again. You've listened to a variety of belief systems and theories And I'm thinking that you're the gentleman who's into Christian sci-fi. .

Do yourself a favor and stick with God's Word.

Thank you for your well-wishes regarding my ankle. A clean across the bone break with lots of bruising / black and blue.

 

[Brother-Paul]

regarding my ankle. A clean across the bone break with lots of bruising / black and blue.

Dear Sue D, I was not aware of your ankle bone break, so sorry to hear this. We pray for healing in Jesus Name sister.

Take care, Bless you

brother-paul

 

[Sue D.]

Ya'll Might want to pray for my son, Nathan, he's the one who's been here 'helping'. If you can call it that. I really need intervention in getting him Out and other people In to help with meals / bathroom, etc.

He's got some real problems.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Ya'll Might want to pray for my son, Nathan, he's the one who's been here 'helping'. If you can call it that. I really need intervention in getting him Out and other people In to help with meals / bathroom, etc.

He's got some real problems.

Prayers assured Sue, for you, for your son Nathan, for your needs and for his problems.

We lift then together, in agreement, in Jesus Name. Amen

 

[Brother-Paul]

Prayers assured Sue, for you, for your son Nathan, for your needs and for his problems.

We must receive all help gracefully, even if it is not how we would do things, he means well.

We lift then together, in agreement, in Jesus Name. Amen

 

[only son]

I am not Roman Catholic and have never been.

I have had Catholic friends whom I loved very much and they were very, very special to me and wonderful people with the kindest hearts that you would ever hope to meet.

I know that the Latin Bible uses the Italian word " rapture " which relates to The Latin word Rapere / RAPTURE comes from the - Bird of prey or predatory bird, also known as raptors are a species of birds that hunt prey from above. The term raptor is derived from the Latin word rapere, meaning to seize or take by force. This word " rapture " has remained in the Christian community since the Translation of the Latin translation in the late 4 th century.

I think many, many Roman Catholic-based ideas, teachings, doctrines and social norms have remained in the Christian community since the late 4 th century when the Roman Catholic Church had produced " The Latin Translation. ' Also, because of the fact that the Catholic Church waited until nearly 2000 years after Christ, to produce a Bible translation into any other language - { outside of latin / Italian. }

It was not until 1582 - nearly 2000 years after Christ, that the world received its very first translation of the Bible in another language, that all of the governments and kingdoms of Europe would allow you to read without the threat of being declared a heretic, anathema or persecuted and violently attacked, killed or fined - or all your property confiscated.

The King James Version is almost an exact duplicate - Copy Cat - of this Catholic Translation of 1582 called the Douay Rheims Translation. The King James is a copy and replicate of the Catholic Translation nearly word for word in nearly every single verse. The only changes, contradictions or modifications are concerning the differences between key church doctrinal differences in the idea of " bowing down to Idols and Images, also, giving the idea of a Catholic Eve herself, crushing the head of the serpent, instead of her future yet to be - protestant unconceived strictly male seed of the woman.

Specific special names, titles, phrases, and doctrines and social norms were important for the King James Translators to transfer or copy over from the Italian / Roman culture and society that had permeated, perforated and penetrated into the Protestant society. However, transferring the original Hebrew name of " Yahoshua " was one of the least important matters to all of European society. Just because, the name of " Yahoshua " did not have a defined Greek vowel system for pronouncing the name of " Yahoshua " all translators of the Bible have always proudly carried and transferred and mirrored this special missing impossible vowel system that exists in the Greek language over into all of their translations. As if it is forever impossible or simply " of no value " to pronounce and translate " Yahoshua " into any language whatsoever for all of eternity.

The Catholic Trinity Doctrine was most crucial and a special copy for the King James Translators to copy directly - “ exactly word for word “ from the Catholic Douay Rheims Translation.

The King James translators had no problem whatsoever, using the correct word - Here in - Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - in - my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - in - his throne.

But yet, all of these remaining verses below are copied directly from the Catholic Translation - to change the manuscripts to fit and suit to a Trinitarian theory. None of these verses in the manuscripts - would suggest that Christ is ( AT ) any of these positions in the following verses - especially when Yahoshua Christ clearly declared that He was to sit ( ε ̓ ν - en – en “ IN “ ) the very throne of the Father - in Rev 3:21

Yet the Trinitarian Translators refused to translate the word ( ε ̓ ν - en – “ IN “ ) to the remaining verses - when they translated directly from the manuscripts in - Rev 3:21 and they correctly translated it, as the word - ( IN ) - as in the original manuscripts with verse - Rev 3:21

Why not continue to use the word correctly ? - and only use it correctly in the one single verse of - Rev 3:21

Rom 8:34 Christ in G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en – “IN“ the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en -“IN“ his own right G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - in the heavenly place.
Heb 12:2 Christ is set G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - “IN“ the right of the throne of God.

Heb 1:3 Christ is..... the express image of The Fathers confidence, .... sat down G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - “IN“ the right of the Majesty G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - “IN“ the high.

Heb 8:1 Christ is set G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - “IN“ the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en “IN“ the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - in the right of God;

All of the verses are changed, to delete the word " - ε ̓ ν - en - in " and add the word { AT }
This Trinity doctrine in the translation, changes the idea of Christ, who sits - ε ̓ ν - en - in the right of God - ε ̓ ν - en - in - the throne, - ε ̓ ν - en - in - his own right - ε ̓ ν - en - in - the heavenly place. Christ is to sit / dwell “ - ε ̓ ν - en - in - “ the throne,.

The translators delete the Greek word “ IN “ G1722 - ε ̓ ν - en - in - - and replace it with - - “ AT “ the right hand of the throne, the power, the right of God and “ AT “ the right hand of God,

The Trinity doctrine was one of the main focal points for the King James Translators in copying directly from the Catholic translation. But I see no need to dispute concerning which translation to ask questions about or ask Trinitarians for an explanation or some clarification. They both are the same.

If Trinitarians could explain to me concerning their translation, how or why Yahoshua would have to LOWER Himself and take on the role or morph or form of a MAN and LOWER HIMSELF to become - a servant of God - IF THAT was what or who he already was and always will be ?

And I honestly can not figure out - where do Trinitarians believe that Yahoshua existed before he was to sit AT the right hand of God and where do Trinitarians believe that Yahoshua will sit or exist after his enemies are a made a footstool ?

In the manuscripts I see - Yahoshua, who existed { in } The bosom of Father, who was himself, manifested / morphed as a man and came down to earth and God LOWERED Himself and took on the role or morph or the form of a MAN and LOWERED HIMSELF - as a man - to be manifested as a servant of God - Meaning = this is not who or what he already was or pre-existed as.

I know the bible says that Yahoshua - judged that there was no - robbery / no PLUNDER and no FORCE = / - to be equally God. :7 But { Yahoshua } made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the morph / form of a servant, and was made / found / changed in the likeness of men: - :8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

in other words, he was not always a servant of God - but he was equally God, and was God and was not always a man. But If this is who and what He always was, [ as Trinitarians claim ] why did he have to change his form and MORPH and change himself from what he pre - existed as - and take on the morph of a servant and a man.

If Yahoshua WAS in the morph / form of God lowered Himself and became a servant of GOD and was changed, lowered and moved to sit { at } the right hand of God - until his enemies were a footstool, why was he said to have moved or - to have changed to sit there until - such and such a time.- if that is where he already was and had always existed and will always exist ?

My confusion lies in the question as to - Why change the translation to leave Yahoshua eternally , forever - sitting at the right hand of the father, simulating that, this is where he already had existed and will always forever exist ? I found that - - Heb 1:13 says that Yahoshua was to sit exiting * OUT FROM - The right Of God - until His enemies were His footstool. The manuscripts say - that Yahoshua is to sit / dwell or be exiting - “ COMING OUT “ exiting - from G1537 - - ε κ, ex - ek , to exit out of - or from - the Father = Meaning a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out ( of ( from, of ) ( -out ). = Exiting out of in - Heb 1:13

But again the King James Translators again copied the Catholic Translation to say that Yahoshua was to sit { at } the right hand of God in Heb 1:13. When the manuscripts say the word is to be exiting - “ COMING OUT “ exiting - from G1537 - ε κ, eX - ek, to exit out of or out from the father. isn't there a huge difference in translating between dwelling { at } the right hand, from saying dwelling - { as the manuscripts say - as exiting out from - ε κ, exiting from- } the right of father ?

Roman Catholics and Protestants have made such great contributions to society, I respect people from all faiths and find beautiful people in all.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@only son

Interesting post, but I am not sure I can go along with all you have stated above.

Our modern understanding of rapture appears to have little or no connection with the eschatological event. However, the word is properly used of that event. Rapture is a state or experience of being carried away. The English word comes from a Latin word, rapio, which means to seize or snatch in relation to an ecstasy of spirit or the actual removal from one place to another. In other words, it means to be carried away in spirit or in body. The Rapture of the church means the carrying away of the church from earth to heaven.

The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in...

1 Thessalonians 4:17 (NKJV)
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

translated “caught up.”

The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo.
The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away.

Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea...

Acts 8:39 (NKJV)
39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.

and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven...

2 Corinthians 12:2-4 (NKJV)
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I know such a man--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows--
4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.

Moving on to the reference that the King James Version is 'an exact' copy of the Roman Catholic Bible.

We know that the Catholic's changed the 10 Commandments, it is cleverly done, they omitting the worship of 'idols' and 'graven images' and making other slight changes in wording to end up with 10 Commandments (without the worship of graven images being forbidden. Thus making it possible for them to first have stained glass windows, followed later by graven images of Jesus on the cross and of Mary the mother of Jesus). These changes were not transferred into the KJV Bible, so this would suggest that the changes were made after the printing of the KJV Bible, but history of the Catholic church shows that changes regarding idolatry and making images for worship was done in 786AD.

The Roman Catholic Church cannot clearly and easily show its history before 320 AD, when the Roman Emperor Constantine professed conversion, amalgamated pagans and Christians, and declared himself to be the head or pontiff of the Universal (Catholic) Church.

Important to note - The early Church never had many of the doctrines that the Roman Catholic Church now has.

It is only by looking back at Acts and the early church that we get a true picture of what the Church, the ekklesia, should be like.

 

[only son]

I completely understand - what everyone is saying.

In 1854, Pope Pius IX wrote - “Ineffabilis Deus” concerning the dogma of Marys Immaculate Conception. The Pope here expresses, that The most holy virgin " Mary " was with Jesus and through Him, eternally was at enmity with the evil serpent.

The Pope concludes that Mary completely triumphed over the serpent and had crushed his head with her immaculate foot.

Of course, we understand what the word immaculate means, it means speckless, spotless, pure and clean. And I can see that Mary was completely spotless and pure concerning her sexuality. Mary had never committed fornication or adultery before deciding to get married to Joseph and then planning to go on to have sexual, marital relations with him. She was in a condition of perfect obedience to the law concerning marriage.

But the entire point and purpose of the Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the line / seed of a repentant sinner who was a murderer and had failed and sinned against God - " King David " . The Bible It did not specify special importance regarding that the women giving birth to Yaosha was perfect or sinless or the most holiest and pure-minded woman who ever existed.

Or even a woman who was living a life with the purpose and determination of being a virgin As the Quran declares here in - Quran 66:12 “ And (God sets forth the example for those who Believe) of Mary, the daughter of Heli, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her womb through Our Angel (i.e., Gabriel), and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.” (Quran 66:12)

But the Bible does not lay importance on anything regarding that Mary had specifically planned or plotted out her virginity or guarded and protected her chastity. The Bible does not say that Mary had lived this important goal and made the " personal decision " of abstaining and refusing sexual relations or marriage

The Biblical prophetic prophecy was a designed point that Yahoshua was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a nun-like woman who had never ever purposed and planned to be sexually active. But Mary was planning, plotting and wanting sex and Joseph was planning marriage and sex too. And Joseph was instructed to not be afraid to get married and have sex because the child conceived in His new { to be } wife was from the Holy Spirit . And Joseph did not know Mary sexually UNTIL after they were married and Mary had borne Her firstborn son.

Joseph and Mary were plotting, planning and preparing to get married and have sex and Joseph was fearful / afraid to take Mary as a wife because she seemed to already be having sex / pregnant.

Joseph and Mary were not planning to abstain from sex. And Joseph was worried about their sexual relationship their marriage and sexual future because Mary's sexuality and pregnancy was a very important matter in the relationship. Joseph thought she was already intimate with another man. He was afraid and upset and planning to put her away and terminate the marriage. Because the factual plan in The Bible, was for Mary to be His normal wife, sexually.

The Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the Line Of King David. It did not matter who the particular virgin was, there were thousands of virgins throughout the land who were from the seed / line of King David. The main point was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a sinless, perfect woman who had lived a life of planned virginity and who plotted, planned and dedicated her life to being a virgin.

I never hear Catholic and Islamic doctrine focusing a single moment on this Biblical teaching and Mary is portrayed as a young woman who was planning a marriage,. Mary was a young woman looking for a husband to marry and have a marriage and sexual relations with a husband. Her goals and interests and desires were to get married and have sexual relations with a man - NOT to be virgin ! or a nun, like. woman and never have sex or commit a sex act in her life. She was hunting, pursuing, seeking and pursuing, following sexual / intimate plan for a relationship with a male. Just as any normal godly woman would have been.

I just see that Muslims and Catholics are not interested whatsoever, in the main importance of the prophecy that the Seed is born from the seed of King David. Yahoshua being born from a virgin was important but there were thousands of virgins in Israel, just exactly like Mary. But Mary was a virgin who was a direct descendant from King David. A man who had committed a horrible sin, murdering a man and taking his wife in sexual immorality. But he asked God for forgiveness and repented and God did punish him and accepted his repentance.

I just see how that translators go through the Bible making little changes, little minor added words and insertions, and variant deletions and diversions. They do this because there is an entire pre - conceived doctrine that is already existing and they simply modify and change little words to give support for these pre-existing doctrinal narratives.

When we see in - Lev 26:1 Make no idols nor graven image, ........... to bow = שָׁחָה - shâchâh - down unto it:

The Hebrew word - H7812 - שָׁחָה - shâchâh - shaw-khaw' - Meaning = To depress, prostrate - to bow down, to crouch, fall down (flat), to stoop down. This word is deleted nearly 40 times in the Douay Rheims Translation in every single last instance involving images and Idols, the word is deleted " bow down " is simply replaced with the word - " adore " - But yet, the translators use and state this same exact word as " bow down " for what it means in their translation - but they only use it as - " bow down " only when the word is not mentioned with images and idols.

Somehow, only when " bow down " is found orbiting upon the exact idea around images and idols - a preconceived doctrine of the translators demands the social dominating authority is to modify the manuscript message to alter the word.

 

[Sue D.]

@only son -- the RCC puts a great deal of emphasis on the virgin Mary. Even more than the Bible does.

Your concept of translators of the Bible leaves a bit to be desired. They do Not have their preconceived doctrinal view that they try to incorporate into Scripture. Scripture is far too complex to do that.

And translating from one language to another includes two different alphabets. No two languages have the same alphabet. so having to fill in words here and there is necessary to have a smooth reading sentence -- often times there is no word in the one language that corresponds to the Other language. And then there are the various dialects in the language and figures of speech to work with.

The phrase -- it's raining cats and dogs outside' would be meaningless in another language. And translating That word for word would be meaningless, also.

We know that the original manuscripts were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit to men who were chosen by God. So They were perfect. But Still translating Scripture from Greek or Hebrew won't be Perfect Because of the sentence structure and alphabet. And the context of the word being used.

It's a complicated process.

The culture of the time of Jesus's birth. How marriages took place. And, yes, Mary and Joseph were normal Jewish people following cultural norms of that day. So, yes, when they got married they would be having whatever children they were blessed with.

Mary's foot was as human as mine or your's. It got dirty just like mine does.

Mary was made special by God the Father for His reasons. Only time in history of the world that a young woman / a virgin/ became pregnant through the Holy Spirit and gave birth to Jesus Christ. And He, in turn, would be dying on the cross for our sins. And He would rise again bodily.

 

[only son]

Thank God for his mercy.

 

[only son]

I have studied the teachings of the Roman Catholic organization, everything. And then studied again. I have studied also, the manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew and their Romish Trinitarian Translations in depthy detailia.

We notice the Translation - KJV_ Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto { Mary } and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored.

Catholic Translation - DRB_ Luk 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto Mary } Hail, FULL OF GRACE.

I must be honest, no manuscripts say anything about any human anywhere at any time in the bible - being “ FULL of grace. “ Yet the Catholic Mary, according to the Catholic Translation has not been filled WITH Grace upon the event of conceiving her son - but here in the DRB, she was already FULL OF grace and is a spiritual dispenser a distributor of God’s grace - because she was conceived and born “ full absolutely “ - with the gift of grace. And the Catholic angel is just simply letting all of the Catholic readers know about this.

The Translators are attempting to place upon Mary, a label and a title, a spiritual identity, as “ One - Full Of Grace “ And this is all I was trying to explain. Why all of the translations have so many contradictions, disagreements, inconsistencies and are in total opposition, the translators are changing, adding, deleting and modifying codified words to fabricate formula, catered to a specific doctrine.

I have looked - manuscripts simply say that the angel came in unto Mary, and said, REJOICE - χαίρω - Kheirō - cheers / cheerios.
Mat 2:10 They saw the star and rejoiced - Kheirō - cheers / cheerios.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice - Kheirō - cheers / cheerios - your reward in heaven is great.
1Th 5:16 Rejoice - Kheirō - cheers / cheerios - evermore.

Also the angel said to Mary - acceptance of the Lord is with you: - the favor - χάρις - charis / khar'-ece - meaning = acceptable, benefit, gift, the grace, self worthy. - Mary was accepted, graced, benefited and favored by God. As she afterwards was rejoicing in having been given a savior. The Translators had to change the translation in many places to suit to Catholic faiths, such as that demand that Mary and later the readers were being informed that she was spiritually becoming “ self aware “ - to the fact that she was ALREADY FULL OF GRACE. As if she held a - “ Title ‘

Hail Mary - Full of grace. This is a “ TITLE “ that the translators have assigned to Mary.

When the manuscripts simply say that the angel came in unto Mary, and said, REJOICE - cheers / cheerios, acceptance of the Lord is with you: This has nothing to do with saying Hail Mary, Full Of Grace. She is given an alteration - and the added name, in the translation.
This is what the translators often do.

Example ! - in the Bible, Solomon’s mother Bathsheba sat upon her very own Throne to the right of Solomon. In -1Ki 2:19 - the word throne is “ כסאו H3678 - kissêh - kis-say' / kis-say' “ - This word - Throne, is used " 133 " times total in the KJV.

It is - always used as the same exact word " throne " in every single last verse in the KJV. But, in just this ONE single verse, the KJV translators change it " one single time " and delete the word throne and instead use the word - " seat " to say that Bathsheba sat down in a - " seat " beside the throne. But the word is always used as a throne in all of the other 132 times in the KJV.
No surprises that The Douay Rheims Catholic Translators correctly made full use of the word - " כסאו - Throne " it always means throne in the manuscripts. Never is it used to say - " seat "

2Ch 18:18 - I saw the LORD sitting upon his - כסאו - H3678 - Throne.

It is always “ throne “ in every single last verse - in the KJV - except to change it one single time. All it takes is one word being changed and the entire concept of the message is altered and the Trinitarians have thousands of changed words. Protestants simply did not like the idea of Solomon’s mother who was a spiritual TYPE of the Catholic Eve who was sitting on a throne.
This are the only type of differences between the Catholic and Protestant translations. Martian Luther did the same exact thing.

Also we see { William Tyndale’s Translation - 1525 } In the Tyndale Bible - Gen:16:5 Then said Sara unto Abram: YOU do ME unright / unjust, for I have given my maid into thy bosom:

But KJV says - Gen:16:5 And Sara said unto Abram, MY wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom:

Tyndale - YOU have done ME, unright / unjustly,- or - KJV- MY wrong doing, has come upon YOU. This is what is called a contradiction - and both of them are incorrect. In Gen:16:5 - The original manuscripts are simply saying... Verse :5. Sara said unto Abram, VIOLENCE has come upon / about / occurred, I giving the maid a bosom: - that’ s it
Gen 16:5 Sarai H8297 -, said H559 -, unto H413 -, Abram, H87 -, violence / evil H2555 -, is upon / about H5921 -, I H595 -, giving H5414 -, the maid H8198 -, a bosom; H2436

Words are added and changed to attempt to insert the idea that Sarah had blamed herself or Abraham for the guilt, the violence, persecution, hatred and torment that Hagar and Ishmael displayed toward Sarah and Isaac. The KJV copied from the Latin / Italian translation in many crucial verses where social norms would not accept - “ An Abraham and Sarah “ to appear as scripturally justified by God in their marital choice - this entire marital choice, in the pagan Trinitarian community, is even today, still tantamount, equivalent, indistinguishable and practically the same as the crime of murder or even just the same crime as -- a mass slaughter of a city of little infants with the candy and cupcakes still between their teeth.

The Trinitarian community would never allow this in the manuscripts. The Chip and Dale preacher trotting up and down a stage simply would go out of business and gentile women would have no interest in the Bible. It would not be enough interest there for the congregations just to experience another male shake, gyrate and swiveling, twisting, quivering and winding all around upon the stages, while screaming and hollering at the humiliated, lowly, uneducated husbands.

Tyndale had possession of the original Hebrew manuscript. Tyndale chose to make a fancy comical, mocking, dopey side – split rupturing alteration to drastically change from the Latin doctrine - He also claimed that Sarah was doing the opposite and placing ALL of the blame upon Abraham, and the KJV copied from the Latin claiming that Sarah had blamed only herself and she had committed a wrong doing. But this word is “ H2555 - חמס - châmâs “ has nothing to do with simply doing “ wrongly “ This word always - means violence, evil persecution, hatred, and torment. Of a Satanic nature.

As - the KJV also changes - Job 19:7 Behold, I cry out of “ wrong “ but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment. …. But Job, was using this very same exact Hebrew word that Sarah used, he was not crying out for - “ doing wrong “ he was crying out from “ H2555 - חמס - châmâs “ horrible persecution, torment, and violence that was done to him. From nearly dying in agony and horrific pain and his entire family had died.

Also, in Genesis - The pre-flood earth was not filled with “ some “ wrong “ - the earth was filled with VIOLENCE - oppression, evil horrific and brutal violence, and cruelty and persecution. - thus, God destroyed every breathing life form on earth left out of the ark.

Hagar and Ishmael were kicked out of God’s family because they were persecuting, tormenting and violent and oppressive toward Sarah and Isaac. We can see how that the European Trinitarians also so detested the Jewish culture.

- Job 19:7 says in the manuscripts - Behold, I [ Job ] cry out from damage, violence, חמס , torment. This was is not simply “ A Wrong “ The same word is used by Sara. Sarah told Abraham that violence, damage, חמס torment, horrific and pure evil had come about - from her giving the maid her husband’s bosom. The word “ MY wrong “ was inserted into the translation to sell the book to European Canaanite Linage Extracts, who would rather have had kicked Sarah and Abraham out into the desert and handed Hagar and Ishmael the entire farm. While today, most Trinitarians, from the Vatican down - they follow the prophecy and revelations and spiritual claims of Mohammad as they demand his prophecy and revelation is fact, to demand that Mohammad and Muslims are from the seed of Abraham.

The word that Sarah used is always used - as these following verses describe violence, persecution, and evil injustice. It is not simply some wrong doing - to say “ My wrong. “ there is no reason to change the words of Sarah - to say “ My wrong-doing “

Psa 55 : 9 Destroy, O Lord, ……… I have seen - violence “ חמס - cḥāmās “ and strife in the city.
Psa 58 : 2 Ye work wickedness; ye weigh the - violence “ חמס - cḥămas “ in the earth.
Gen 6:11 The earth was corrupt …. the earth was filled with violence “ חמס - cḥămas “
Psa 11:5 The LORD’S SOUL HATES the wicked and him that loveth violence “ חמס - cḥămas “
Eze 7:23 The land is full of bloody crimes, the city is full of violence “ חמס - cḥămas “
Amo 3:10 They store up violence “ חמס - cḥămas “ and robbery in their palaces.
Hab 2:17 They’re afraid, because men's blood is violence “ חמס - cḥămas “

Every verse in the Bible using this word “ חמס - cḥămas “ shows that this word means brutal, wicked and vile violence, oppression and evil transgression that one is experiencing or doing.

Sarah said that Hagar had acted out violence, hatred, and damage towards her and was persecuting her. The translators turned the blame completely upon Sarah and Abraham.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh PERSECUTED him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. :30 “ BUT “ what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
This Greek word “ PERSECUTE “ literally means to come after and chase after and pursue, hunt and follow after someone in a violent manner to cause them harm. G1377 - διώκω - diōkō - dee-o'-ko. – Meaning = To pursue, to persecute: - ensue, follow (after), given to, (suffer) persecute, to press toward.

Remember - In 70 AD, the Romans laid siege to Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple. Countless manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh) were lost in the aftermath.

The Romans destroyed all Hebrew texts, including Hebrew scrolls. It is believed that one million Jews were killed by the Romans and the rest of the Jews fled for their lives. Since this day the Roman Catholic Canaanite Genitival Line Church continued to persecute and terrorize the Jewish people, so many, many manuscripts of the Torah have disappeared. The Jews have been persecuted and running for their very lives for nearly 2000 years.

When Adolf Hitler finally came along in the 1940s, The German Nazis killed 6 - 8 million more Jews in just a few short years. It is surprising that any Hebrew manuscripts exist today.
Sadly The Roman Catholic never preserved a single page of any original Hebrew. Instead - they ditched them all and went about propagating about 6 other alternative translation in Greek filled with contradictions and errors. When Adolf Hitler killed 6 - 8 million Jews and in nearly every major industrial Catholic country on the planet, Jewish populations went in hiding and were running for their lives.

The saddest thing that breaks my heart is that - Trinitarians did not even put the complete Bible into any another language, outside of The Latin / Italian - until 1582. This is nearly 2000 years after Yahoshua. They were too busy burning people alive, harassing, torturing, and terrorizing and destroying all manuscripts associated to any other translation that did not identify with the Latin translational doctrinals.

The translators did much more than just simply do their very best.
Even after the public was allowed to possess the Trinitarian government FEDERAL PERMIT of The bible. The European Trinitarians continued afterwards - to persecute and terrorize others who refused to believe as they believed. In 1582 - nearly 2000 years after Christ,- the very first translation of a Bible translation was permitted that all of the governments and kingdoms of Europe would FEDERALLY LICENSE, permit / allow - you to read like a personal “ choose your own adventure book “ without the violent threat of being declared heretic, anathema, persecuted, violently attacked, killed or fined - or all your property confiscated - or they just force you to be shipped out across the ocean to die of starvation or disease or lost at sea.

Today, unless the Trinitarian takes the time to go the manuscripts and look for the original message, not a fraction of a millisecond of time to even imagine pretending that a moment has passed for comprehensions upon anything anyone says concerning the manuscripts. Holy Spiritual Fathers and Inspired Prophets as King James translators and the Mohammad’s have already pronounced their spiritual dictated engravings .

 

[Sue D.]

Have never paid any attention to the RCC Bible -- It does go by a different name. Mine is the NKJ Bible and the Older NIV.

All I know is that the Word of God / Bible teaches the trinity. The Godhead = God the Father, Jesus Christ the/ His Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[only son]

I really liked the New King James Bible when I was growing up. I had a really nice NKJ given to me and I read it often. Also, I read the 1611 version three times from front to back when I was younger.

I have read much of the RCC - Douay Rheims Translation when comparing to the other versions. With all of the horrors and trials and stumbling blocks that the Apostles and translators experienced in the following 2000 years after them, It is a miracle that any manuscripts exist today. I do believe this is a miracle. Truly amazing.

 

[Sue D.]

It IS amazing that God's Word has stayed with mankind all of this time. It's the best selling book still -- at least that's what I've heard. But, since it's God's Word -- it Will continue to exist through Everything. Christianity will always be here.

 

[rstrats]

SueD.
re: "And you Do have some Mormonistic beliefs mixed in there. Their beliefs about the 144,000 who are sent to minister during those 7 years."

I'm aware of the 144,000 with regard to the Jehovah Witnesses, but I haven't heard it attributed to Mormon doctrine.