Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[readytogrow]

I think this pole is a ploy to stir up divisiveness, and I am quite disappointed. We can not control the ideals in which our country works. If we lived someplace else, we would be considering their political system and ideals. The truth is God is King of all lands, across all times. It is not our job to know, or judge how or who he considers his children within the rule of each time and space. Our job is to hold to his teaching, and spread his word. Let us not stir up such devisive talk amongst ourselves, but praise him, and uplift all of our brothers and sisters.

I too am disappointed,


We dont need to look like the world going at war with each other.

 

[Rad]

"and what does the Lord require of you, but to Love Mercy, act Justly and walk humbly with your God", seems to me this just about sums up the Christian life, elaborated by Christs Sermon on the Mount and other teachings especially the "Sheep and the Goats", both Liberals and Conservatives fall short on these teachings, but whilst i find it hard to imagine Christ accepting mainstream liberal thought, i see him absolutley opposed to the self righteous and self interested driving philosophy of Conservatism, ....... and perhaps the question shouldn't be can you be a Liberal andf a Christian, rather can you be a member of a society and a Christian whose Wealth and power is founded on the oppression, exploitation, suffering and death of hundreds of millions of the poorest men, women and children on Gods world, and where 80% of the worlds resources flow into the pockets of the richest 20% leading to nearly 1 billion struggling to survive on less than $1.25 a day and the deaths of 15,000 young children from hunger and disease every day, and where our lives are built on a system that is trashing the planet, ripping up the earth, cutting down the forests, poisoning the Rivers and Oceans and changing the very climate itself as we pump close on 35 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year,...... the Devil offered Christ ALL the Kingdoms of this World, "for they are mine to do with as i will", and looking round at the Hell we've made of this World , its easy to see the truth of his statement.

 

[Chad]

I too am disappointed,


We dont need to look like the world going at war with each other.

Another judgemental one who assumes I started this poll to cause division. Grow up.

 

[Dovegiven]

Re: the death penalty -- both death penalty and cities of refuge (which Could amount to life in prison) were both practice in the Old Testament. But back in That day - the punishment was carried out fairly Soon. Now days -- a person can spend Years in prison Waiting for the death penalty to be carried out. IF the penalty for the crime was carried out Immediately -- it Would serve as a deterant to crime.

The long waits on death row is entirely due to appeals. Even serial killers can apply for an appeal, over and over being rejected, until they die naturally or get a case reviewed or receive a pardon. As the nation grows more liberal, the chances of being freed increase.

 

[Sue D.]

The long waits on death row is entirely due to appeals. Even serial killers can apply for an appeal, over and over being rejected, until they die naturally or get a case reviewed or receive a pardon. As the nation grows more liberal, the chances of being freed increase.

To be sure. And it Is sad.

 

[Dovegiven]

"and what does the Lord require of you, but to Love Mercy, act Justly and walk humbly with your God", seems to me this just about sums up the Christian life, elaborated by Christs Sermon on the Mount and other teachings especially the "Sheep and the Goats", both Liberals and Conservatives fall short on these teachings, but whilst i find it hard to imagine Christ accepting mainstream liberal thought, i see him absolutley opposed to the self righteous and self interested driving philosophy of Conservatism, ....... and perhaps the question shouldn't be can you be a Liberal andf a Christian, rather can you be a member of a society and a Christian whose Wealth and power is founded on the oppression, exploitation, suffering and death of hundreds of millions of the poorest men, women and children on Gods world, and where 80% of the worlds resources flow into the pockets of the richest 20% leading to nearly 1 billion struggling to survive on less than $1.25 a day and the deaths of 15,000 young children from hunger and disease every day, and where our lives are built on a system that is trashing the planet, ripping up the earth, cutting down the forests, poisoning the Rivers and Oceans and changing the very climate itself as we pump close on 35 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year,...... the Devil offered Christ ALL the Kingdoms of this World, "for they are mine to do with as i will", and looking round at the Hell we've made of this World , its easy to see the truth of his statement.

God's will was for Israel to be the cherished "utopia" the world has only dreamed of. All they had to do was obey Him. So what would be wrong with America being so blessed, if only turning to God? Israel had their very wealthy, who were the ones providing distribution of wealth enough to sustain a very healthy economy. So must it be in any nation. None survive when everyone has their equal slice of prosperity, as just one tendency that destroys economy is laziness.

The majority of those "billion" in abject poverty have worshiped many gods for many generations. Their nations turned their backs on God. Why should the wealthy of the world divide up their treasures to them who suffer by their own poor choices? Escape the culture of horrid ignorance preached by "Fake News" broadcasters. Wake up America. Satan wants to destroy us.

A major plan is working out. Middle America, the main "red states" are not able to recruit young physicians, relying on older who are retiring early to escape the computer burden of health records. That alone is forcing many to head for either coast. Infrastructure planning is going those directions. The ide is to empty the mid 3/4 of America, by many means, like elimination of their voice by removing the Electoral College. A side "benefit" for younger Americans is the demise of older, incapacitated folks, who are silenced already. Displaced workers like coal miners and oil workers will have to merge into services industries on the coasts. The idea of "churches" will have been removed from consciousness out of sheer economic collapse due to movements of mid Americans to the coasts, and without financial power.

So I suspect some here would be comfortable to pass through" Nero's" highways lit by human Christian torches hung on poles? You are paving your way to endure the horrors of the book of Revelation. When Christians are taken out, all the thoughts of all remaining people will be continually wicked, and finally imitating the days of Noah.

Walk away from the "progressives" who are actually setting up an unreversable regression of everything you now enjoy. There is only one utopia, and that is God's way. Accept Jesus as Lord and savior of your souls.

 

[Br. Bear]

When Christians are taken out, all the thoughts of all remaining people will be continually wicked, and finally imitating the days of Noah.

WAKE UP world, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE
you really don't want to go there

There is only one utopia, and that is God's way. Accept Jesus as Lord and savior of your souls.

 

[Bill]

Another judgemental one who assumes I started this poll to cause division. Grow up.

Didnt this all start with a simple question. Holy cow. Lol

Liberals and Christians. For myself, i cant really vote on this. Chad, i dont think you mean to make it seem so cut and dry. As not all liberals think the way it is proposed, nor do all Christians follow such a righteous path.

What comes to mind is Jesus statement. Take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the stick out of your brothers eye.

Chad, sometimes i feel many Christians have lost the focus of what it means to be Christian. As Jesus put it. He didnt come here for the well, but for the sick.

So as Jesus teaching is for the sick, shouldnt we too be more concerned for reaching out to the sick of soul.

 

[Bill]

WAKE UP world, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE
you really don't want to go there

If we are the workers who are to harvest the good crops, why then would God remove the workers before the harvest is complete. The harvest will only be completed at Jesus return, not before.

 

[Bill]

God's will was for Israel to be the cherished "utopia" the world has only dreamed of. All they had to do was obey Him. So what would be wrong with America being so blessed, if only turning to God? Israel had their very wealthy, who were the ones providing distribution of wealth enough to sustain a very healthy economy. So must it be in any nation. None survive when everyone has their equal slice of prosperity, as just one tendency that destroys economy is laziness.

The majority of those "billion" in abject poverty have worshiped many gods for many generations. Their nations turned their backs on God. Why should the wealthy of the world divide up their treasures to them who suffer by their own poor choices? Escape the culture of horrid ignorance preached by "Fake News" broadcasters. Wake up America. Satan wants to destroy us.

A major plan is working out. Middle America, the main "red states" are not able to recruit young physicians, relying on older who are retiring early to escape the computer burden of health records. That alone is forcing many to head for either coast. Infrastructure planning is going those directions. The ide is to empty the mid 3/4 of America, by many means, like elimination of their voice by removing the Electoral College. A side "benefit" for younger Americans is the demise of older, incapacitated folks, who are silenced already. Displaced workers like coal miners and oil workers will have to merge into services industries on the coasts. The idea of "churches" will have been removed from consciousness out of sheer economic collapse due to movements of mid Americans to the coasts, and without financial power.

So I suspect some here would be comfortable to pass through" Nero's" highways lit by human Christian torches hung on poles? You are paving your way to endure the horrors of the book of Revelation. When Christians are taken out, all the thoughts of all remaining people will be continually wicked, and finally imitating the days of Noah.

Walk away from the "progressives" who are actually setting up an unreversable regression of everything you now enjoy. There is only one utopia, and that is God's way. Accept Jesus as Lord and savior of your souls.

No! Now is the time we must reach out , pray, and not be silent. Dont worry about what the world will say. Who cares what they say. God's Love will conquer all

 

[Bill]

"and what does the Lord require of you, but to Love Mercy, act Justly and walk humbly with your God", seems to me this just about sums up the Christian life, elaborated by Christs Sermon on the Mount and other teachings especially the "Sheep and the Goats", both Liberals and Conservatives fall short on these teachings, but whilst i find it hard to imagine Christ accepting mainstream liberal thought, i see him absolutley opposed to the self righteous and self interested driving philosophy of Conservatism, ....... and perhaps the question shouldn't be can you be a Liberal andf a Christian, rather can you be a member of a society and a Christian whose Wealth and power is founded on the oppression, exploitation, suffering and death of hundreds of millions of the poorest men, women and children on Gods world, and where 80% of the worlds resources flow into the pockets of the richest 20% leading to nearly 1 billion struggling to survive on less than $1.25 a day and the deaths of 15,000 young children from hunger and disease every day, and where our lives are built on a system that is trashing the planet, ripping up the earth, cutting down the forests, poisoning the Rivers and Oceans and changing the very climate itself as we pump close on 35 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year,...... the Devil offered Christ ALL the Kingdoms of this World, "for they are mine to do with as i will", and looking round at the Hell we've made of this World , its easy to see the truth of his statement.

do not dispair brother. There is something coming that few know of, and fewer yet even believe in.

A blessing to the Children of God, yet a curse to Gods enemies.

The Two Witnesses.

 

[Bill]

First of all a Christian must be obedient to the state and dont be in any revolution movement. Can not be a striker (left or right).
Second is that a Christian`s time must carefully be divided, Chuch-Family etc. So is vanity to hyper-work for any other reason ,including politics, which we know are controlled by dark principles.
Now about liberal, well if a person supports marriage of gays, do you think is a Christian?
Why to be labelled as a liberal or anything else? His "ideology" is "Be saved otherwise,liberal,democrat,fascist etc. you go to hell no matter what your philosophies were"
Also a Christian can not support any abomination. The self centred agenda today is against holiness. We dont participate-promote or support any abomination. Well we neither go against anyone :smile: but we stay out of the world.
(and please if you are a Christian already, dont tell me "you dont want a better world"? NO it does not matter what i want, but i know that no better world should come and according to scripture the things will get even worst and worst until the day of the Lord is here ! in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Amen.

i know where your heart is. But you are wrong .

When the anti Christ comes, you will be against the state in a big way.

To follow the laws of man will bring death to the soul, and to follow the Laws of God will bring death to the body.

 

[Hekuran]

I consistently vote for liberal and progressive parties.

In my view the gravest issues facing us now are climate change, inequality of resource distribution and militarisation. Conservative approaches on these issues tend to be negative.

On issues such as abortion, the abortion rate is coming down in the West, regardless of the liberal/conservative leanings of those in power.

Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2015

 

[Quantrill]

First of all a Christian must be obedient to the state and dont be in any revolution movement. Can not be a striker (left or right).
Second is that a Christian`s time must carefully be divided, Chuch-Family etc. So is vanity to hyper-work for any other reason ,including politics, which we know are controlled by dark principles.
Now about liberal, well if a person supports marriage of gays, do you think is a Christian?
Why to be labelled as a liberal or anything else? His "ideology" is "Be saved otherwise,liberal,democrat,fascist etc. you go to hell no matter what your philosophies were"
Also a Christian can not support any abomination. The self centred agenda today is against holiness. We dont participate-promote or support any abomination. Well we neither go against anyone :smile: but we stay out of the world.
(and please if you are a Christian already, dont tell me "you dont want a better world"? NO it does not matter what i want, but i know that no better world should come and according to scripture the things will get even worst and worst until the day of the Lord is here ! in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Amen.

I speak as one living in the U.S. Being a Christian in the world is a revolutionary movement. We recognize a King greater than the one in the country we reside. We come under His laws and ways and seek to bring in his Kingdom. We obey the laws of the state as long as they do not infringe upon our following our God. Don't we? Or are you suggesting total blind allegiance to the state irregardless of what they are telling you to do?

When the state tells you to hire the LGBT pastor or else charges of hate crimes will be brought against you, what do you do? Your decision will be a political one. Do you vote? That is a political motion.

Does your church pay taxes? In the U.S. most churches are 5013c meaning they don't pay taxes. Why is there no outcry from Christians that that is an intrusion upon the Church/State divide. Government never gives anyone anything. There is always a law of return. Guess what this return will be? You as a Christian need to be silent concerning politics when you meet else we will yank your 5013c. Or, you as a Christian need to allow unrepentant LGBT people into your church and even in your leadership roles because the State says they are legitimate people and have the same rights as you. Else we will yank your 5013c. Now what do you do?

I understand what you are saying, and in an Old America where we were Christian from the Presidency to the man working on the street, what you are saying was attainable. We could ignore the politics because the politics was heavily controlled by our Christian faith. It's not that way any more. So how far do you carry your pacifist stance, if that is the right word.

Quantrill

 

[Br. Bear]

Take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the stick out of your brothers eye

good place to start, Bill

How can you say, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while you yourself fail to see the beam in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Luke 6:42

needed to be said along with judge not...

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Matthew 7:1

Bless you ....><>

Love is For Giving
God is Love​

 

[pet]

i know where your heart is. But you are wrong .

When the anti Christ comes, you will be against the state in a big way.

To follow the laws of man will bring death to the soul, and to follow the Laws of God will bring death to the body.

:smile: Actually i said that we Christians we should not promote any politics..including Antichrist.
But the carnal Christians that believe "in a better world" possibly they will been deceived .because Antichrist will not come as a "devil" but as a Peace maker! The bible say "be subject to the authorities" and that means we dont fight anyone..
From the other iste the bible speak of the "dark rulers" of that world and we are to be not comforted to them. Then there is a balance so that not be disobedient and also not violate God`s word.
(that is why i not help or promote any political movement, because ii dont want to participate their sins, neither fight the existent authority ,and also to dont loose my precious time. We know that the world will pass away and that every year things will go worst, till the totally sinful generation is revealed. We can not change the things God already prophesied. We are to do the will of God while living in this sinful generation.Not b;asphemy enyone, pray for them and be holy and separate from all worldly ways) Amen.

 

[Dave M]

Liberals and Christians. For myself, i cant really vote on this

Bill I know you as a loving man, but to say you cant vote against abortions, that you can vote against homosexuality is wrong and is not standing up for the word of God. Chad is not talking about the sinner, he talking about the parties mind set there stance on these biblical views.

What comes to mind is Jesus statement. Take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the stick out of your brothers eye.

Chad was not judging anyone he was using good judgment on what parties stand for from a biblical point of view

Chad, sometimes i feel many Christians have lost the focus of what it means to be Christian. As Jesus put it. He didnt come here for the well, but for the sick.

So as Jesus teaching is for the sick, shouldnt we too be more concerned for reaching out to the sick of soul.

Amen Brother !!

 

[pet]

I speak as one living in the U.S. Being a Christian in the world is a revolutionary movement. We recognize a King greater than the one in the country we reside. We come under His laws and ways and seek to bring in his Kingdom. We obey the laws of the state as long as they do not infringe upon our following our God. Don't we? Or are you suggesting total blind allegiance to the state irregardless of what they are telling you to do?

When the state tells you to hire the LGBT pastor or else charges of hate crimes will be brought against you, what do you do? Your decision will be a political one. Do you vote? That is a political motion.

Does your church pay taxes? In the U.S. most churches are 5013c meaning they don't pay taxes. Why is there no outcry from Christians that that is an intrusion upon the Church/State divide. Government never gives anyone anything. There is always a law of return. Guess what this return will be? You as a Christian need to be silent concerning politics when you meet else we will yank your 5013c. Or, you as a Christian need to allow unrepentant LGBT people into your church and even in your leadership roles because the State says they are legitimate people and have the same rights as you. Else we will yank your 5013c. Now what do you do?

I understand what you are saying, and in an Old America where we were Christian from the Presidency to the man working on the street, what you are saying was attainable. We could ignore the politics because the politics was heavily controlled by our Christian faith. It's not that way any more. So how far do you carry your pacifist stance, if that is the right word.

Quantrill

Thank you
First i dont believe that America was Christian..No! even Trump pray to God ,but is he a Christian? 2nd time marriage etc... :grin:
Now look, We must keep the "gold line". From one side we have tro respect "the king" pay our taxes etc. And from the other to dont be comforted to that world.
We know that all Authorities are given by God, so one who is not subject to them ,he is actually against God who gave those authorities!
The other side is, when the law violence the Gospel you must choose to obey God and not men. So iF they tell you to marry a gay couple or to marry a divorced woman etc. you must choose to like to God and not obey that "law" .
Υes we know that authorities are given by God ,but we also know that the ruler and god of that world is the "ruler of darkness" and while we are obedient to the law we are not to be conformed with the world, neither participate on their dark dead works.

(keep in mind that today for 1st time the Law is not any more influenced (like you said) from the law of God. So today we have "law" of the unlawfulness. All that so us that they prepare the way for the Wicked one to come! and believe me,he will come as a peace maker,human-rights protector etc. )

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings @Dave M @Chad @Bill

regarding the comments of not judging, I do not think Bill was pointing a finger at Chad about such but expressing the need for us people, especially Christian people, to live our lives not judging, nor getting caught up in the trend or movement of judging others, and to my tiny mind, that means the lost, not the Political parties and their representatives. They will party whether we want to dance or not but we must be careful to not forget that we should not be throwing stones nor judging, as individuals and even as a group, known as Churches or the Body, ESPECIALLY if we perchance have somewhat of a log in our own eyes, meaning, are we yet perfect and if not, by what right can we judge another and if we are perfect, we won't anyway, lest we loose our perfection.

Let the peace of God rule in your hearts


Bless you ....><>

 

[R. Roger Harris]

Another judgemental one who assumes I started this poll to cause division. Grow up.

Hello Chad, thank you for your efforts on this website, and may God's grace abound in your ministry.
There is a topic that Jesus Himself talked more about than any other person in the Bible. It's an uncomfortable subject we do not hear much about anymore, Hell! Yet, in 2 Timothy 3:12 reads, "Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution." Whether opposition, beliefs, etc.