Thoughts on Job

[Bendito]

No, I showed you that God does not boast without purpose. He directed satan's attention to Job. Yes, satan did say 'put forth thy hand' because he knew whose hand was put forth to trouble Job. In other words, he knew then more than you know now.

No, I am not blaming God. I am believing what God is saying.

I have little patience for myth makers when it comes to the Bible.

Quantrill

ROFL

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Job feared for His sons. Fear of the Lord is good. It is a sign of wisdom. That is the fear Job had.

Psalm 112:1 Praise the LORD! How blessed is the man who fears the LORD, Who greatly delights in His commandments.
Prov 28:14 How blessed is the man who fears always, But he who hardens his heart will fall into calamity.
Psalm 34:7 The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him, And rescues them.
Ecc 8:12-13 Although a sinner does evil a hundred times and may lengthen his life, still I know that it will be well for those who fear God, who fear Him openly. But it will not be well for the evil man and he will not lengthen his days like a shadow, because he does not fear God.

You are confusing the meaning of fear.
Fear will never be a sign of wisdom.
How many times are we told not to fear in His Word?
To fear God is to Reverence God not be afraid

 

[Bendito]

I agree that fear should not control us. But the reality is that we are faced with fears - and it is not always easy to completely give them over to God. Sometimes words on a page and reality are two different things. :smile: Many times I need to pray "increase my faith".

I do not think Job's "fear" for his children etc. is strange at all or uncommon, so this would mean that many people today are under severe attack by opening the door to the devil in this manner. Of course, fear can be crippling and can really hamper our walk with God but He invites us to place our trust in Him and cast our cares upon Him.

I guess I am just not seeing it that Job opened the door to the fierce attack of Satan because he had a perverted twisted faith. The bible does not give that picture at all but says he sinned not. So it seems to me that in order to fit a narrative or idea on "how God or Satan legally works", that undue emphasis is placed on an obscure verse where Job talks about "the things he feared have come upon him".

Nonetheless you have given me food for thought.

Of course Jobs fears for his kids was not at all strange or uncommon....What he did wrong was not the feeling of fear, but what he did with it. He gave it credence.....over Gods Word. I have no doubt that it would be harder for people of the Old Covenant to overcome fear, not having the Holy Spirit in them...but it was not impossible to do either.

 

[Quantrill]

Of course Jobs fears for his kids was not at all strange or uncommon....What he did wrong was not the feeling of fear, but what he did with it. He gave it credence.....over Gods Word. I have no doubt that it would be harder for people of the Old Covenant to overcome fear, not having the Holy Spirit in them...but it was not impossible to do either.

And what Word of God was that?

Quantrill

 

[Bendito]

You are confusing the meaning of fear.
Fear will never be a sign of wisdom.
How many times are we told not to fear in His Word?
To fear God is to Reverence God not be afraid

Dan I think what he means is "Fear is the beginning of wisdom.'

Psalm 111:10

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.


Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


Proverbs 9:10

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

 

[KingJ]

You are confusing the meaning of fear.
Fear will never be a sign of wisdom.
How many times are we told not to fear in His Word?
To fear God is to Reverence God not be afraid

Wired 4 Fishen you are confusing me with your beliefs. If anyone should be defending 'not fearing God' it should be me. You all do not believe in OSAS :smile:.

I fear God, the same reason you do. You have just not thought on it long enough I believe.

God who is able to send us to hell for all eternity. Matt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

A wicked person scoffs God and does not fear Him or hell. A wise person, does not want to be on the receiving end of God's wrath and does not scoff fearing God because they actually love God and want to please Him. The thought of not being good enough to please a good God, eats at a good person.

Job feared for his sons being on the receiving end of God's wrath. Reverence is something else. I literally fear God right now. For my life and for my loved ones. Even for all I chat to on the internet.

 

[Chad4Him]

@Bendito
@Quantrill

You guys crack me up! :grin:

 

[Bendito]

@Bendito
@Quantrill

You guys crack me up! :grin:

Yeah. I'm feeling a bit foolish for trying to convince the ignorant man my daddy talked about. A man who believes fables then chastises me for making fables....Uh Yeah....

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I agree that fear should not control us. But the reality is that we are faced with fears - and it is not always easy to completely give them over to God. Sometimes words on a page and reality are two different things.

Easy has nothing to do with anything. Fear means lack of Faith.

Many times I need to pray "increase my faith".

That's a wasted Prayer. Prayer will never get you any faith but faith will get your prayer answered.

I do not think Job's "fear" for his children etc. is strange at all or uncommon,

Exactly its human nature but we are commamded to be Spirit Led.
Fear opens the door unto the enemy.

I guess I am just not seeing it that Job opened the door to the fierce attack of Satan because he had a perverted twisted faith. The bible does not give that picture at all but says he sinned not.

This entire event was to get job to CURSE God. He did not do that and that is what scripture is referring to.

The problem is that most have no clue how the enemy operates.

 

[Chad4Him]

Yeah. I'm feeling a bit foolish for trying to convince the ignorant man my daddy talked about. A man who believes fables then chastises me for making fables....Uh Yeah....

Well I guess I'm ignorant too because I think he's making a lot of good points. Haven't kept up entirely but in this particular argument I agree more with his points than yours. So if that means that one of us is ignorant I'll take it.

Time for me to make some real food now while you guys are biting and devouring each other. lol

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Wired 4 Fishen you are confusing me with your beliefs. If anyone should be defending 'not fearing God' it should be me. You all do not believe in OSAS :smile:.

I fear God, the same reason you do. You have just not thought on it long enough I believe.

God who is able to send us to hell for all eternity. Matt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

A wicked person scoffs God and does not fear Him or hell. A wise person, does not want to be on the receiving end of God's wrath and does not scoff fearing God because they actually love God and want to please Him. The thought of not being good enough to please a good God, eats at a good person.

Job feared for his sons being on the receiving end of God's wrath. Reverence is something else. I literally fear God right now. For my life and for my loved ones. Even for all I chat to on the internet.

Nope!
I know whom I belong to and who I serve. I have no fear but I Love, Cherish, Adore and worship my God.

My God would not ever harm me in any way.

You are correct I do Not support something the Word Of God does not support such as the doctrine of demons called osas.

 

[Bendito]

When reading about giants or any scripture that hints of aliens. You need to just think for a while on the reason mankind needs a Savior and God's hand being on all creation / all creation being good.

Mankind is accountable for sin because of their intelligence levels. These giants, if they were a different breed of man and were once babies, God who is impartial would have to include them in the plan for salvation, not separate them. So, I cannot believe, just on it being illogical and conflicting with much other scripture, that there were giants as a separate race. The best I can fathom is that in an evil society demonic presence would be rife. They could probably take on the form of some man given the opportunity by God. I can agree that some humans were larger then others.

But with all this said the fact remains that the flood came upon mankind because of their wickedness. Just as Sodom, they were wicked continually and had no desire of ever repenting. Gen 6:5 the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

My friend...Jesus came to save man, humans. He did not come to save fallen angels or their offspring.... All creation may be good, and it is, but the corrupting and mixing of that creation is not...God's intent was everything after it's own kind....
Genesis 1:25
God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:11
Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so.
Genesis 1:12
The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21
God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:24
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.
Genesis 6:20
"Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.
Genesis 7:14
they and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, all sorts of birds.

Fallen angels perverted creation by not keeping to their own kind...The offspring is not after the kind, angel...nor is it after the kind, man, but a vile mix of the two. Not human....No salvation. It is in the Word...

Now you think about it....If there is salvation for Nephil, why is there no salvation for the fallen angels?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Dan I think what he means is "Fear is the beginning of wisdom.'

Psalm 111:10

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.


Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


Proverbs 9:10

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Still there is a difference in the use of the word fear.

Gods word tells us to stop the fear many times over.
Fear the Lord God is not being afraid but in awe and respect

 

[Bendito]

Well I guess I'm ignorant too because I think he's making a lot of good points. Haven't kept up entirely but in this particular argument I agree more with his points than yours. So if that means that one of us is ignorant I'll take it.

Time for me to make some real food now while you guys are biting and devouring each other. lol

:smile: I'm a researcher and an author. I've been researching the subject of the Nephilim for a few years now. and writing on it. I never did look at those people who rebelled against God with the calf though. I think I'll take a side trip and do that....There are instances in the bible where God told the Israelite's, "Kill'em all! Men women children, goats sheep camels.... puff puff you get the point....Deep digging reveals that when the Israelite's crossed into Canaan they were surrounded by 36 different tribes of giants...And the Canaanites were the first they had to face. The ones God said to kill to the last one were not human but giants. Evil, cannibalistic giants.
I'll take that side trip.

 

[Bendito]

Still there is a difference in the use of the word fear.

Gods word tells us to stop the fear many times over.
Fear the Lord God is not being afraid but in awe and respect

There is a difference.....Fear of something or fear = reverential respect....The fear int he verses I shared with you are the reverential respect kind.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

There is a difference.....Fear of something or fear = reverential respect....The fear int he verses I shared with you are the reverential respect kind.

Exactly. Just as God is Love satan is fear.

 

[Bendito]

We are told by Yeshua/Jesus that it will be like the days of Noah when the son of man returns, and what differentiated those days from any other was the presence of the fallen ones openly dwelling on the earth. Please remember that Satan will come with all signs and lying wonders…
The skeptic will look at the fallen angel paradigm and scoff. However, we have the thread of prophecy all through The Book. This prophecy is 100 percent accurate, 100 percent of the time. It speaks of someone outside our space/time
domain who knows the end from the beginning and the beginning from the end.
Fasten your seat belts!

What lying wonders will we see?

 

[Chad4Him]

:smile: I'm a researcher and an author. I've been researching the subject of the Nephilim for a few years now. and writing on it. I never did look at those people who rebelled against God with the calf though. I think I'll take a side trip and do that....There are instances in the bible where God told the Israelite's, "Kill'em all! Men women children, goats sheep camels.... puff puff you get the point....Deep digging reveals that when the Israelite's crossed into Canaan they were surrounded by 36 different tribes of giants...And the Canaanites were the first they had to face. The ones God said to kill to the last one were not human but giants. Evil, cannibalistic giants.
I'll take that side trip.

Yes what I was referring to "agreeing or disagreeing" with you and @Quantrill wasn't regarding the Nephilim but rather what has been discussed regarding who exactly tested Job and why this happened, "fear" etc.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Yes what I was referring to "agreeing or disagreeing" with you and @Quantrill wasn't regarding the Nephilim but rather what has been discussed regarding who exactly tested Job and why this happened, "fear" etc.

There lies the issue. satan, abaddon, apolyon the destroyer .

This was in no way a testing but all out war to destroy one of thee most Holiest and wealthiest God Fearing man.

God test our faith, He does not harm us or others.
Remmber satan is always trying our faith in order to stop any victory

 

[Bendito]

There lies the issue. satan, abaddon, apolyon the destroyer .

This was in no way a testing but all out war to destroy one of thee most Holiest and wealthiest God Fearing man.

God test our faith, He does not harm us or others.
Remmber satan is always trying our faith in order to stop any victory

I get a charge out of it when Christians say something like "There was a war....Yup. In the heavens. When did it end? No answer....It didn't end. It is still raging and Satan sucked us into it in the garden.