Hey
Adziilii,
Adziilii, you said,
● 1John 1:9 . . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Your reasoning was:
However, the Jews' sins stay on the books, while Christians' sins don't even get in the books to begin with.
My thoughts are:
The reason a Christian’s sins do not get on the books is because, Jesus came to “put away,” “cancel” our sins, (Hebrews 9:26), by judging the nature of sin caused by the devil.
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
G115 (put away) Greek definition:
ath-et'-ay-sis
From G114;
cancellation (literally or figuratively): - disannulling, put away.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that
“your sins may be blotted out,
” when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (this is when the Holy Ghost fell)
G1813 (blotted out)
ex-al-i'-fo
From G1537 and G218; to
smear out, that is, “
obliterate” (
erase tears, figuratively
pardon sin): - blot out, wipe away.
When a unbeliever repents and becomes a believer, this is what happens. This is also what 1John 1:9 is saying. “All” a person’s sins are cleansed, pardoned, cancelled and blotted out once for all (Hebrews 10:12, 14, 17, 18).
The devil was judged and therefore the sin nature was also judged (John 16:8-11). The law that told a person they sinned, and then judged and condemned that person, was also condemned (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15) (Romans 8:3).
A Christian’s unfruitful works (past tense known as sins) are not on the books, and will not be on the books because they are not account as “fruitful” works. A believer gets no credit for unfruitful works. Just as Jesus cursed the fig tree; it had leaves and looked good, but there were no fruit. I’m just using this as an example (Mark 11: 13, 14, 20, 21). This is how Jesus saw Israel; "fruitless."
If a believer walks according to the flesh, though claiming to be a Christian, at the appointed time, Christ shall send His angels to judge the Church, those that did not bring forth fruit, (the character of Christ 30,60 or 100 fold), will be gather out of God’s Kingdom and cast into the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:18-41; Luke 13:23, 24).
Adziilii,
With all respect I say these things; you said:
But the reason that Christian's sins never even make it to the books is because their punishment was fully accomplished on the cross as joint principals in Christ's crucifixion.
My thoughts are:
The reason Christians sins never make it to the books is because “sin” itself was judged and punished by the crucifixion; and the punishment (death, condemnation, grief, the curse, etc.) was also crucified with the sin. Sin is the cause of the punishment; take away the cause and you take away the punishment. The punishment and sin equally was crucified and condemned.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin “AND” death.
These are the scriptures you gave:
● Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him
● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
● Col 3:3 . . For you died when Christ died
All of this is true information; I think because we’ve been so indoctrinated for so long in our lives, this is all we know. I know this, because it was all I knew until I started questioning what people were saying; because I didn’t see certain scriptures as they did.
This is what these scriptures are saying to me:
Rom 6:10 For in that he (Jesus) died, he died unto sin once: but in that he lives, he lives unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon/conclude/account it/reason and think you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Because Christ died, He died once to this world and the sin nature physically and spiritually. A dead man has no consciousness of sin. When Jesus rose, we rose with Him. Why should we have a consciousness of sin if we are dead to sin?
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed/liberated/exempt from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Joh 11:26 And whosoever lives and believeth in me (Jesus) shall never die. Believe thou this?
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
A sinful or sinning person will not be change. A sinner cannot be in the body of Chrsit.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever "commits" sin is the servant of sin.
The Greek definition for “commits” is “G4160” which refer to “G4238”:
G4238 (commits)
pras'-so
A primary verb; to “practise”, that is,
perform repeatedly or
habitually (
thus differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act); by implication to
execute,
accomplish, etc.; specifically to
collect (dues),
fare (personally): - commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abides not in the house for ever: but the Son abides forever.
Rev 21:7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.